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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:48:00 -
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Here's proof
CCP, why do you allow this to happen?
Again goons are trying to destroy your own game, killing our game experience AND now trying to rig the elections?
I demand this representative to be expelled from the election now!
How can we vote for a representative knowing he's trying to cheat? How can someone claim to be honest and trustfully person when proof show otherwise?
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Aran Makor
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan Here's proof
CCP, why do you allow this to happen?
Again goons are trying to destroy your own game, killing our game experience AND now trying to rig the elections?
I demand this representative to be expelled from the election now!
How can we vote for a representative knowing he's trying to cheat? How can someone claim to be honest and trustfully person when proof show otherwise?
Lol, i was waiting for this post.
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Sworn Absent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:52:00 -
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IF you actually read Darius' CSM thread, this point was already answered.
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:53:00 -
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It's very clear that this person has a hidden agenda, and i bet it's not for the good of eve.
Dont stand still. This is about YOU and YOU alone.
do -NOT- vote for Darius JOHNSON and spread this around so others know about the truth and avoid voting for this lier.
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sworn Absent IF you actually read Darius' CSM thread, this point was already answered.
Lol, i was waiting for this post.
Do you really think people will heat your poison? Well some will, but im here to help to prevent that.
goons are here to kill EVE and everyone opposing them using any trick they can pull off.
DO NOT TRUST goons AND DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM. IT's WRONG
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:55:00 -
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You can't stop block voting.
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista You can't stop block voting.
Another reason why this person must be removed from the candidates list.
Not only he's not trustworthy, hidden agenda, trying to rig the elections and getting his alliance weigh behind him.
So you see any honesty in this? i don't.
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Sworn Absent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan
Originally by: LaVista Vista You can't stop block voting.
Another reason why this person must be removed from the candidates list.
Not only he's not trustworthy, hidden agenda, trying to rig the elections and getting his alliance weigh behind him.
So you see any honesty in this? i don't.
So you see any substance or evidence in your posts? I don't.
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:59:00 -
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You consider gathering support from people in your Alliance as 'rigging an election' ?
Are you serious ?
what about a Candidate using an Alt to bump their own threads in the Jita Park section, show support for their main and telling people not to vote for another candidate?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan
Originally by: LaVista Vista You can't stop block voting.
Another reason why this person must be removed from the candidates list.
Not only he's not trustworthy, hidden agenda, trying to rig the elections and getting his alliance weigh behind him.
So you see any honesty in this? i don't.
No, I don't see any honesty.
But what do you expect? An alliance have shared interest, thus it's logical with blockvoting. Same happens in RL elections. Please go tell the world that it's broken.
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:05:00 -
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Well, to be fair he used the word "rig" in the post.
Maybe that's just because he is missing a bit of grey matter upstairs or sumthin'. :P
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Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:19:00 -
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I don't see any proof.
But hey, don't let that stop you. Give Goons more publicity. ~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
Vote Goumindong for CSM |
The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
just because a goon said so? please ....
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy'Lastic You consider gathering support from people in your Alliance as 'rigging an election' ?
i suggest you go back and re-read what's in that print screen. it's simple to read. ill help you, since your a goon.
r-i-g |
Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
just because a goon said so? please ....
Please, entertain us. What do you think a Goon could do during that meeting at CCP. Go with the worst case scenario you can come up with. |
Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan
Originally by: Lucy'Lastic You consider gathering support from people in your Alliance as 'rigging an election' ?
i suggest you go back and re-read what's in that print screen. it's simple to read. ill help you, since your a goon.
r-i-g
I'll help you.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
How so?
As far as I'm aware, you aren't GS candidate. So how can you know their intention?
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:42:00 -
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Yall got trolled.
Asking people to cast legitamite votes for a canidate is not rigging an election.
Rigging an election would require cheating. --
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Tom Harry
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Harry on 07/05/2008 12:43:58
Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike
Please, entertain us. What do you think a Goon could do during that meeting at CCP. Go with the worst case scenario you can come up with.
Worst case?
There's four goons running, right? Alright, lets see then, brainfarting time.
Worst case: The four goons wait around at the arrival gate at the airport in Icelandicland. They identify and kidnap the five other CSM under the false pretense of recruiting them for a 9 seat taxi.
They take the five kidnappees out into the Icelandi wilderness, bury them in the sand dunes with only their heads poking up and a pair of chineese eating sticks to dig their way out.
The goons then proceed to the CCP building where one defecates outside in the lovely green hedge. Alerted by the strange smell from their garden, the devs come out to greet the CSM and learn that only four "had time" to come.
Some greetings later they find themselves in the CCP briefing room where the unsuspecting devs go through their latest plans point by point. Little do they know of the danger at hand.
The goons sit and wait. Downtime comes and the servers go offline. The goons strike.
An hour later the devs are missing, the Eve Server Cluster thoroughly humped by a local dog that slipped in while none was watching and the actual game itself is rewired granting Goons Jove ships and a penetration-proof Deathstar called Ted. |
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Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
How so?
As far as I'm aware, you aren't GS candidate. So how can you know their intention?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=759932
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What IS broken is that the goonies could potentially grief the council.
This will not happen.
How so?
As far as I'm aware, you aren't GS candidate. So how can you know their intention?
I may not be the GS candidate but i know the people involved and they harbor no ill will towards CCP or the game.
Furthermore, goons win when goons log on and fight. Such, its in our best interests to make the game as fun as possible.
They share the same drive to make the game good and fun as I do, though obviously i think i am better at doing that than they are.
Vote Goumindong for CSM |
Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Harry Edited by: Tom Harry on 07/05/2008 12:43:58
Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike
Please, entertain us. What do you think a Goon could do during that meeting at CCP. Go with the worst case scenario you can come up with.
Worst case?
There's four goons running, right? Alright, lets see then, brainfarting time.
Worst case: The four goons wait around at the arrival gate at the airport in Icelandicland. They identify and kidnap the five other CSM under the false pretense of recruiting them for a 9 seat taxi.
They take the five kidnappees out into the Icelandi wilderness, bury them in the sand dunes with only their heads poking up and a pair of chineese eating sticks to dig their way out.
The goons then proceed to the CCP building where one defecates outside in the lovely green hedge. Alerted by the strange smell from their garden, the devs come out to greet the CSM and learn that only four "had time" to come.
Some greetings later they find themselves in the CCP briefing room where the unsuspecting devs go through their latest plans point by point. Little do they know of the danger at hand.
The goons sit and wait. Downtime comes and the servers go offline. The goons strike.
An hour later the devs are missing, the Eve Server Cluster thoroughly humped by a local dog that slipped in while none was watching and the actual game itself is rewired granting Goons Jove ships and a penetration-proof Deathstar called Ted.
Damn... how did you get your hands on our super-secret manifesto for EVE?
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:51:00 -
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the goon fofofo begun here too ... this topic is sinking fast captain, but we shall not vote for this bastards.!
SAVE EVE DO NOT VOTE ON DARIUS!
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 12:55:00 -
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The secret goon plan is to use the CSM to get the models of all titans changed to the monster truck Grave Digger. |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:00:00 -
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Why are people surprised that Goonswarm are harnessing their member base to vote in people who they KNOW share the same interests as their alliance?
Didnt everyone take GS voting for GS candidates as a given? We come for our people |
Piitaq
Gallente 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:02:00 -
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Tom Harry: You sure made me laugh Thanks for that!
Im not a goon lover, as a matter of fact, last time I got blown up and podded was by a Goon, BUT I see nothing wrong with Goons voting for other Goons that are running for CSM, it seems natural to support your leaders and friends.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2008 13:25:37
Yeah this one is a bit of a fail in the drama bomb stakes. Darius is probably unwise to talk of his strategy "rigging" anything since its just electoral tactics not anything inherently shady. Basically he wants multiple Goon candidates on the CSM to increase the voting power of the Goons. Not exactly startling news to anyone who has followed the history of Goonfleet in Eve.
All this topic shows is that Darius believes Goonfleet is more organized and motivated than rival entities (and the general eve public) and this means he has an opportunity to get at least 2 candidates into the CSM by the Goon primary winner's voting block (Bane Glorious) and his own slice of the internal pie + whichever non Goons he can talk into voting for him.
If you don't like Darius' strategy simply don't vote for him. Force the Goons to rely on their internal block vote only and you'll probably limit Goons to only one vote on the CSM. If you don't want Goons to win the chairman of the council position then get voting for another non-Goon candidate and make sure as many of your own corp and alliance mates register meaningful votes as well.
Goons have a few thousands of votes in Eve. The rest of the community has 200,000.
Only voter apathy is going to deliver a Goon-dominated/Goon-Chairman council. Lets make sure it doesn't happen right?
CSM Election Manifesto 2008 |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2008 13:25:37
Yeah this one is a bit of a fail in the drama bomb stakes. Darius is probably unwise to talk of his strategy "rigging" anything since its just electoral tactics not anything inherently shady. Basically he wants multiple Goon candidates on the CSM to increase the voting power of the Goons. Not exactly startling news to anyone who has followed the history of Goonfleet in Eve.
All this topic shows is that Darius believes Goonfleet is more organized and motivated than rival entities (and the general eve public) and this means he has an opportunity to get at least 2 candidates into the CSM by the Goon primary winner's voting block (Bane Glorious) and his own slice of the internal pie + whichever non Goons he can talk into voting for him.
If you don't like Darius' strategy simply don't vote for him. Force the Goons to rely on their internal block vote only and you'll probably limit Goons to only one vote on the CSM. If you don't want Goons to win the chairman of the council position then get voting for another non-Goon candidate and make sure as many of your own corp and alliance mates register meaningful votes as well.
Goons have a few thousands of votes in Eve. The rest of the community has 200,000.
Only voter apathy is going to deliver a Goon-dominated/Goon-Chairman council. Lets make sure it doesn't happen right?
Let's make the most long winded person known to humanity the chairman of a newly formed council with not-yet defined duties and powers, this surely can't go wrong and will ensure that the council will have practical responsibilities!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:36:00 -
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Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
CSM Election Manifesto 2008 |
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:37:00 -
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I don't see how this is rigging the election. All they're doing is asking/telling people in their own organization to vote for them. They were probably already going to do that anyways no? ---
Put in space whales!
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
Nah I just can't resist taking a jab at you, I've been doing that since before I even was in goonfleet :V
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:48:00 -
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Well seems silly as well since I'd say Goumindong for me has more of the popular appeal as well as some pretty sound policies (he was my 2nd or 3rd choice candidate).
Is funny that in Eve as well as IRL, parties will vote for the one the party likes, but not necessarily the one that will win the election by appealing to a broader base
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Sworn Absent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
He does raise a good point. Just about everything you say/post is unnecessarily long winded for quiet a simple and straight forward point.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:04:00 -
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Darius and his associates wouldnt go to this much trouble to grief a bunch of pubbies. there are much easier and hilarious ways to do so without having to spend hours of time on a campaign.
Darius takes this as seriously as any of the other candidates, and people shouldn't let bitter people put them off voting for a worthy candidate.
(Yes im a goon alt because no one would seriously believe that someone out of goonswarm would believe this)
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sworn Absent
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
He does raise a good point. Just about everything you say/post is unnecessarily long winded for quiet a simple and straight forward point.
I'd say its an "opinion" rather than a "good point" obviously, but its all part of the joy of a free election really. Ultimately I'm standing on who I am not who the Goons would like me to be, and my use of language is part of that. If you can get on board with that fine! If not then I guess its back to the three line whip and vote as your leader commands
CSM Election Manifesto 2008 |
Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sworn Absent
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
He does raise a good point. Just about everything you say/post is unnecessarily long winded for quiet a simple and straight forward point.
As far as I've discerned, what Jade says just happens to have quite a bit of substance as well. You will also find that those candidates who did not post their manifesto on this forum managed to comment quite a lot on their own websites, in general.
On the topic though, I would say that what 'Darius' is doing is fair, so long as the Goons don't go out of their way to buy one-time accounts and spamming the ballots...
Personally, I would like to say that Darius himself sounds rather intelligent and reasonable, but also inevitably affected by his position as the figurehead of the largest and probably most detrimental power bloc in all of EVE, one that also shamelessly endorses feature exploitation and game domination, rather than just monetary gain or power acquisition. The organization in Goon that you speak of, which I am hesitant to even consider as true, is more likely a result of destructive joy and schadenfreude rather than a love of the game as well.
I could be wrong, but I don't think that Darius has addressed the issue of destructible POSes either, which to me appears as avoidance of the issue due to his and his organization's interest to simply hold as much territory as possible, for self-evident reasons.
All in all, I must say that I could never vote for a GoonSwarm member or director. And this for two reasons; morals, and a desire for progress and the bettering of the gameplay for everyone. The same reasons that would have me voting for Jade.
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan Here's proof
CCP, why do you allow this to happen?
Wasn't this posted yesterday under a different character predicting the same doom and gloom?
I just don't get the hate, especially from corps I've never seen the name of anywhere near 0.0. I don't see how Goonfleet 'ruins the game' by driving people to play it. I started playing in October and i wouldn't be here - with 4 active accounts - if it wasn't for playing in goonfleet. Prior to joinging I tried this game in 2005 and 2006 and was bored to death and quit playing.
It's downright amazing how much mythos surrounds a bunch of people who are just playing to have fun.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine I guess its back to the three line whip and vote as your leader commands
That's as true as saying that you can sometimes be concise and to the point.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:03:00 -
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Unless they plan to HACK/SCAM/whatever other people's accounts' passwords and vote INSTEAD of them for a GS candidate, I don't see how could you possible regard "this" as a "rigging" of the election. How the hell can you "rig" the election in a game where scamming, trickery and financial power are the cornerstones of gameplay ?!? I mean, without resorting to something that's illegal in RL.
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CSM candidates - quick reference cards Don't be a social moron, read and vote after you decide !
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:16:00 -
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I knew they were going to try and rig it a long time ago...How? Well for a while goonswarm adopted the personification of a james bond villain(stupid like jaws, but about the size of nicknack)and the reason this is is they love to be hated.
So dont get all up in arms, just because they have 5000 people voting for their candidate(probably not even all 5000)youll have the other 195,000 people voting everybody else.
Now if they"hack"the vote I would personally start threads and ***** and moan until none of them could run...But thats just me.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u youll have the other 195,000 people voting everybody else.
I would be surprised if we have much more than 22,000 votes overall.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:22:00 -
[43]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: goodby4u youll have the other 195,000 people voting everybody else.
I would be surprised if we have much more than 22,000 votes overall.
Well seeing as how they have a link on even the login screen im guessing its going to be a larger number then 22,000.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: goodby4u youll have the other 195,000 people voting everybody else.
I would be surprised if we have much more than 22,000 votes overall.
Well LaVista, lets get that number up +1 vote at a time. Ultimately voter apathy is the biggest enemy any of us have outside the blockvote three line whips of the big alliances. Bring the electorate out to vote and we'll get the support to counter the big beasts out there.
CSM Election Manifesto 2008 |
Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:28:00 -
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Well this took long. Although i'm no goon fan, this is to be expected since they have the biggest member base and tend to stick together. It will be a strange thing if ther was none or only one goon candidate on the csm :) ------- When in doubt, play loud
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:37:00 -
[46]
Edited by: The Kan on 07/05/2008 15:37:45
Originally by: Zareph
Wasn't this posted yesterday under a different character predicting the same doom and gloom?
I just don't get the hate, especially from corps I've never seen the name of anywhere near 0.0. I don't see how Goonfleet 'ruins the game' by driving people to play it. I started playing in October and i wouldn't be here - with 4 active accounts - if it wasn't for playing in goonfleet. Prior to joinging I tried this game in 2005 and 2006 and was bored to death and quit playing.
It's downright amazing how much mythos surrounds a bunch of people who are just playing to have fun.
Well if you search your killboard you will see me having recorded losses and kills since .. ever. Some kills i made to goonsward are not posted tho, but that's typical. You can confirm on bob killboard too.
And it's not hate. it's pure and plain truth. I dont read about it, i dont ear about it, i saw it with my eyes, i lived it. i know exacly what i am talking about.
And if you did not said those nice warm yummy words about you ally, you would be on jita by now, scamming people for money.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:37:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Sworn Absent
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Defensive much Swamp Ziro?
Go have a nice cup of tea and chill out. We're all Eve gamers here and want the best for the game - no need for damage control, I just pointed out your leader isn't really "rigging" anything, just hoping to win the benefits of a drone voting block in an environment of potential voter apathy.
He does raise a good point. Just about everything you say/post is unnecessarily long winded for quiet a simple and straight forward point.
As far as I've discerned, what Jade says just happens to have quite a bit of substance as well. You will also find that those candidates who did not post their manifesto on this forum managed to comment quite a lot on their own websites, in general.
On the topic though, I would say that what 'Darius' is doing is fair, so long as the Goons don't go out of their way to buy one-time accounts and spamming the ballots...
Personally, I would like to say that Darius himself sounds rather intelligent and reasonable, but also inevitably affected by his position as the figurehead of the largest and probably most detrimental power bloc in all of EVE, one that also shamelessly endorses feature exploitation and game domination, rather than just monetary gain or power acquisition. The organization in Goon that you speak of, which I am hesitant to even consider as true, is more likely a result of destructive joy and schadenfreude rather than a love of the game as well.
I could be wrong, but I don't think that Darius has addressed the issue of destructible POSes either, which to me appears as avoidance of the issue due to his and his organization's interest to simply hold as much territory as possible, for self-evident reasons.
All in all, I must say that I could never vote for a GoonSwarm member or director. And this for two reasons; morals, and a desire for progress and the bettering of the gameplay for everyone. The same reasons that would have me voting for Jade.
All pos's are destuctible...
But I believe you're alluding to stations. You're seriously insinuating that I'm dodging an issue I haven't been asked about because it just happens to be Jade's pet issue?
To be frank I'm open to hearing ideas about the subject and find it an intriguing possibility if properly instituted. As opposed to holding space I could fly around destroying it. v0v
I think you'll find I'm much better at answering questions when asked, and the results tend to be different when they come from me rather than being attributed to me. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cribb Well this took long. Although i'm no goon fan, this is to be expected since they have the biggest member base and tend to stick together. It will be a strange thing if ther was none or only one goon candidate on the csm :)
That is hardly the issue. The problem that people have is with their policy. Hell, I might have considered voting for a Goon, if you didn't know that they would just have to bring Goon values into the equation...
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:39:00 -
[49]
I'll also note that I've addressed the topic of "rigging" three times in my thread. Until I have access to CCP's code I can't "rig" anything. It was an off color joke, but given the level of humor, intelligence and maturity of some of the posters this election cycle I'm not surprised to have seen it taken out of context. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Cribb Well this took long. Although i'm no goon fan, this is to be expected since they have the biggest member base and tend to stick together. It will be a strange thing if ther was none or only one goon candidate on the csm :)
That is hardly the issue. The problem that people have is with their policy. Hell, I might have considered voting for a Goon, if you didn't know that they would just have to bring Goon values into the equation...
Also, the fact that you happen to have four simultaneous accounts does not give you 'more right' to play this game. Rather, I would consider it eerie and suspicious, and possibly a cheap way to get more votes.
Define "goon values" and point out please the section of my thread where I encourage people to purchase accounts simply to alter the outcome of the vote, which wouldn't work because they'd have to be more than 30 days old and account transfer is illegal.
I'd love to say we can plan that far into the future but we can't. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:44:00 -
[51]
Originally by: The Kan Edited by: The Kan on 07/05/2008 15:37:45
Originally by: Zareph
Wasn't this posted yesterday under a different character predicting the same doom and gloom?
I just don't get the hate, especially from corps I've never seen the name of anywhere near 0.0. I don't see how Goonfleet 'ruins the game' by driving people to play it. I started playing in October and i wouldn't be here - with 4 active accounts - if it wasn't for playing in goonfleet. Prior to joinging I tried this game in 2005 and 2006 and was bored to death and quit playing.
It's downright amazing how much mythos surrounds a bunch of people who are just playing to have fun.
Well if you search your killboard you will see me having recorded losses and kills since .. ever. Some kills i made to goonsward are not posted tho, but that's typical. You can confirm on bob killboard too.
And it's not hate. it's pure and plain truth. I dont read about it, i dont ear about it, i saw it with my eyes, i lived it. i know exacly what i am talking about.
And if you did not said those nice warm yummy words about you ally, you would be on jita by now, scamming people for money.
You hate us without basis... you've rarely killed or died to us though you claim to have been engaged in multiple campaigns against us and membership in alliances we've historically fought. You offer not one shred of anything other than your words condemning us as liars. There is no basis to your slanderous broken statements whatsoever and you're really beginning to look foolish. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:49:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 07/05/2008 15:51:00
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON All pos's are destuctible...
But I believe you're alluding to stations. You're seriously insinuating that I'm dodging an issue I haven't been asked about because it just happens to be Jade's pet issue?
To be frank I'm open to hearing ideas about the subject and find it an intriguing possibility if properly instituted. As opposed to holding space I could fly around destroying it. v0v
I think you'll find I'm much better at answering questions when asked, and the results tend to be different when they come from me rather than being attributed to me.
Right. I am sorry, and I will take that into account next time.
The destructibility of stations might be some of a 'pet issue' to Jade in particular, but I think it seems that what he desires more is making 'guerilla' warfare among corporations more viable, hence his attention to the issue of Cynosural Jammers as well.
Now that I have your attention though; How would you solve the issue of items lost in the destruction of stations? Obviously, ships can be insured, but I personally would like to see some additions to the insurance system regarding that. Whatever people may say, insurance in general seems to work perfectly to me. You are not supposed to be entirely covered in a game like this... but neither should you have to lose everything because you did not have the time to move your assets away from a station that was attacked while you were otherwise occupied.
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TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tom Harry An hour later the devs are missing, the Eve Server Cluster thoroughly humped by a local dog that slipped in while none was watching and the actual game itself is rewired granting Goons Jove ships and a penetration-proof Deathstar called Ted.
I like the "Ted" part.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Tom Harry An hour later the devs are missing, the Eve Server Cluster thoroughly humped by a local dog that slipped in while none was watching and the actual game itself is rewired granting Goons Jove ships and a penetration-proof Deathstar called Ted.
I like the "Ted" part.
If only you got the joke. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:23:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Aleus Stygian Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 07/05/2008 15:51:00
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON All pos's are destuctible...
But I believe you're alluding to stations. You're seriously insinuating that I'm dodging an issue I haven't been asked about because it just happens to be Jade's pet issue?
To be frank I'm open to hearing ideas about the subject and find it an intriguing possibility if properly instituted. As opposed to holding space I could fly around destroying it. v0v
I think you'll find I'm much better at answering questions when asked, and the results tend to be different when they come from me rather than being attributed to me.
Right. I am sorry, and I will take that into account next time.
The destructibility of stations might be some of a 'pet issue' to Jade in particular, but I think it seems that what he desires more is making 'guerilla' warfare among corporations more viable, hence his attention to the issue of Cynosural Jammers as well.
Now that I have your attention though; How would you solve the issue of items lost in the destruction of stations? Obviously, ships can be insured, but I personally would like to see some additions to the insurance system regarding that. Whatever people may say, insurance in general seems to work perfectly to me. You are not supposed to be entirely covered in a game like this... but neither should you have to lose everything because you did not have the time to move your assets away from a station that was attacked while you were otherwise occupied.
I'm going to preface this by stating that I haven't devoted much thought to it. I don't have a pre existing agenda really going into the CSM and I question why anyone would really. There's a forum for after the elections to push your agendas. Instead we end up with a bunch of people voting for the wrong reasons entirely very few of whom really have an understanding of how the CSM process will work, and that includes candidates.
From my gut... items lost are items lost. To the victor go the spoils. It could function similar to when a ship is destroyed where some items are destroyed (generating an insurance payout possible) and others dropped as loot.
If you want to go "hardcore" and allow stations to be destroyed why not go all the way? http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Franco Caruso
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:33:00 -
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I do not really care about them rigging the election.
But, IIRC ... goonfleet ( or where they originate from ) has a motto that goes like "take over a game and ruin it for everybody else" or along those lines.
THAT is what worries me. If we, the players, empower them to do so ( or at least put them in a seat that *could* eventually count something ).
They can sound as cool, realistic and game-related with their election proposals ( or whatever you call them ) as they want. Bear in mind what they are really on about.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:34:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If you want to go "hardcore" and allow stations to be destroyed why not go all the way?
Well, for instance because certain blueprints are just that rare and certain items just that hard to come by. That's a bit uncomfortable for me to say. So I'd rather say that it's because you can insure certain items in real life as well.
I would say that a method would be to have it possible to insure specific items, to let people cope at least some small part for the loss of truly expensive faction gear, to let those who think they can afford it have some measure of security, but to have no standard insurance revenue like there is with ships. It would still be possible to bugger someone by surprise station detonation, and you would still have to go to a good deal of effort or expense to obtain the lost items again.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:43:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Franco Caruso I do not really care about them rigging the election.
But, IIRC ... goonfleet ( or where they originate from ) has a motto that goes like "take over a game and ruin it for everybody else" or along those lines.
THAT is what worries me. If we, the players, empower them to do so ( or at least put them in a seat that *could* eventually count something ).
They can sound as cool, realistic and game-related with their election proposals ( or whatever you call them ) as they want. Bear in mind what they are really on about.
To correct this point people seem to keep wanting to state as if it were a fact... we don't have a motto. We don't work for CCP and certainly can't ruin Eve.
I'm in charge. I should know. Alts don't run goonfleet. The ONLY person who can say what our Mission Statement, Motto or manifestos are is myself and we don't have any.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If you want to go "hardcore" and allow stations to be destroyed why not go all the way?
Well, for instance because certain blueprints are just that rare and certain items just that hard to come by. That's a bit uncomfortable for me to say. So I'd rather say that it's because you can insure certain items in real life as well.
I would say that a method would be to have it possible to insure specific items, to let people cope at least some small part for the loss of truly expensive faction gear, to let those who think they can afford it have some measure of security, but to have no standard insurance revenue like there is with ships. It would still be possible to bugger someone by surprise station detonation, and you would still have to go to a good deal of effort or expense to obtain the lost items again.
There is an alternate argument which would say if you don't want to lose your items don't keep them in space you can't secure. I'd also assume some system, similar to pos's but perhaps a longer timer, which would prevent a "surprise buggering" if you were adequately prepared. I'm pretty well open to suggestion in any of it in any case. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:03:00 -
[60]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If you want to go "hardcore" and allow stations to be destroyed why not go all the way?
Well, for instance because certain blueprints are just that rare and certain items just that hard to come by. That's a bit uncomfortable for me to say. So I'd rather say that it's because you can insure certain items in real life as well.
I would say that a method would be to have it possible to insure specific items, to let people cope at least some small part for the loss of truly expensive faction gear, to let those who think they can afford it have some measure of security, but to have no standard insurance revenue like there is with ships. It would still be possible to bugger someone by surprise station detonation, and you would still have to go to a good deal of effort or expense to obtain the lost items again.
Sounds good to me if we can blow up rare items. Make me able to destroy those outposts already!
I want to blow up every outpost in Omist because man does that region suck. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:05:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Dramaticus
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If you want to go "hardcore" and allow stations to be destroyed why not go all the way?
Well, for instance because certain blueprints are just that rare and certain items just that hard to come by. That's a bit uncomfortable for me to say. So I'd rather say that it's because you can insure certain items in real life as well.
I would say that a method would be to have it possible to insure specific items, to let people cope at least some small part for the loss of truly expensive faction gear, to let those who think they can afford it have some measure of security, but to have no standard insurance revenue like there is with ships. It would still be possible to bugger someone by surprise station detonation, and you would still have to go to a good deal of effort or expense to obtain the lost items again.
Sounds good to me if we can blow up rare items. Make me able to destroy those outposts already!
I want to blow up every outpost in Omist because man does that region suck.
I really can't disagree with you.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 23:01:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
To be frank I'm open to hearing ideas about the subject and find it an intriguing possibility if properly instituted. As opposed to holding space I could fly around destroying it. v0v
Destroying stations would be good for us yea, but it would be bad for the game. Imagine trying to hold space as a small/new 0.0/pet alliance if you had to put up your own outpost and we didn't have to even defend it, we could just blow it up?
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus I want to blow up every outpost in Omist because man does that region suck.
It would suck even more if somebody blew up all the outposts. -----------
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Killer Kelly
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.08 10:08:00 -
[64]
This is like when Tim Russert was surprised that African-Americans vote for Obama. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation |
welwyn
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:33:00 -
[65]
now i dont profess to be a political whizz or anything of the sort, however, surely the idea of voting is to relay the publics opinion.
are we to say that goon cant be members of it because they have their members vote the same guy? or are we to extend that to say we cant vote for a guy with lots of people liking his ideas? its the same thing imho, the people with the more people behind them win. either by goons having a large alliance (they want the same thing or they wont be in goons would they?) or by a candidate having a large following by having good ideas for eve.
now dont take me wrong I am not in favour of goons winning anything at all however do not boycott them becuase they have a large playerbase. after all that is what the elections are about. giving the playerbase a voice in the game.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: welwyn now i dont profess to be a political whizz or anything of the sort, however, surely the idea of voting is to relay the publics opinion.
are we to say that goon cant be members of it because they have their members vote the same guy? or are we to extend that to say we cant vote for a guy with lots of people liking his ideas? its the same thing imho, the people with the more people behind them win. either by goons having a large alliance (they want the same thing or they wont be in goons would they?) or by a candidate having a large following by having good ideas for eve.
now dont take me wrong I am not in favour of goons winning anything at all however do not boycott them becuase they have a large playerbase. after all that is what the elections are about. giving the playerbase a voice in the game.
No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
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Max Teranous
The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
As there is no way for Darius or any other goon member from knowing who did or did not vote for them, there is no way any forcing could be done, nor threats carried out. It's a closed ballot, not an open one.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:31:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Max Teranous
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
As there is no way for Darius or any other goon member from knowing who did or did not vote for them, there is no way any forcing could be done, nor threats carried out. It's a closed ballot, not an open one.
Max
Yes but you must understand the pressure a community within an allience can put on their player base, and if this situation is the case I can see alot of people being yelled at if he only has 1500 votes, not 4000.
You dont need to know what the person voted for to know what the person voted for.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:39:00 -
[69]
If darius doesn't get at least 3k votes he'll set SMASH blue true story
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:41:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro If darius doesn't get at least 3k votes he'll set SMASH blue true story
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:51:00 -
[71]
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
Haha man, if only. Goons do what they want, when they want and how they want. I merely serve in a position of providing guidance and dealing with the details of administration.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:56:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
Haha man, if only. Goons do what they want, when they want and how they want. I merely serve in a position of providing guidance and dealing with the details of administration.
Im just saying, if you did want to organize your goons in such a manner as this guy is proclaiming then they wouldnt be voting for who they believe in unless they also like being booted from the allience.
And also, you shouldve said that all your goons hath backed you with their full firepower and the nonbelievers shall be smited, I mean you are one of the main antagonists of eve...ACT LIKE ONE!
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 15:08:00 -
[73]
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
Haha man, if only. Goons do what they want, when they want and how they want. I merely serve in a position of providing guidance and dealing with the details of administration.
Im just saying, if you did want to organize your goons in such a manner as this guy is proclaiming then they wouldnt be voting for who they believe in unless they also like being booted from the allience.
And also, you shouldve said that all your goons hath backed you with their full firepower and the nonbelievers shall be smited, I mean you are one of the main antagonists of eve...ACT LIKE ONE!
I would have no way of knowing who they voted for in that instance which was already mentioned.
Antagonism has its place. I just don't think the CSM forum is it. I'll rattle people's cages elsewhere.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 15:22:00 -
[74]
Edited by: goodby4u on 08/05/2008 15:22:53 Edited by: goodby4u on 08/05/2008 15:22:25
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u No, lets say what this guy is talking about is true(which it probably is)it wont be the opinion of the individual, but the opinion of the candidates themselves as they force their members to vote for them or be banned from the allience.
Ofcourse this is under the condition that they are doing this...
Haha man, if only. Goons do what they want, when they want and how they want. I merely serve in a position of providing guidance and dealing with the details of administration.
Im just saying, if you did want to organize your goons in such a manner as this guy is proclaiming then they wouldnt be voting for who they believe in unless they also like being booted from the allience.
And also, you shouldve said that all your goons hath backed you with their full firepower and the nonbelievers shall be smited, I mean you are one of the main antagonists of eve...ACT LIKE ONE!
I would have no way of knowing who they voted for in that instance which was already mentioned.
Antagonism has its place. I just don't think the CSM forum is it. I'll rattle people's cages elsewhere.
Listen, ive been a leader before and have seen how easy it is to misdirect the masses, and if you can get the uninformed believing you they would probably slowly convert the informed.
I thought since your a leader you would know how to do this better then me by now.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 15:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: goodby4u Listen, ive been a leader before and have seen how easy it is to misdirect the masses, and if you can get the uninformed believing you they would probably slowly convert the informed.
I thought since your a leader you would know how to do this better then me by now.
I've always thought honesty was the best policy. There's all different ways to be an effective leader.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u Listen, ive been a leader before and have seen how easy it is to misdirect the masses, and if you can get the uninformed believing you they would probably slowly convert the informed.
I thought since your a leader you would know how to do this better then me by now.
I've always thought honesty was the best policy. There's all different ways to be an effective leader.
I know, I used the same method...However I was pointing out the possibility of doing so.
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Compound Interest
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:07:00 -
[77]
Goon bashing time.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:13:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Compound Interest Goon bashing time.
Please Hammer don't hurt em
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Divad Ginleek
Gallente Gateway Industries House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.05.08 18:15:00 -
[79]
I'm sort of surprised theres not a one candidate per alliance rule. Seems the best way to avoid any one group of players (a minority) from forcing their will on the playerbase at large (the majority).
But we all know the CSM is just a vacation in Iceland. The devs will rub their chin, say "interesting ideas", then go back to what ever they were planning before the CSM showed up. Its a game company with a producer and other people in charge of ideas. Not a government body in need of input from the 'people'. So why make such a big deal about it? ::insert witty signature here:: |
Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 18:50:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: goodby4u Listen, ive been a leader before and have seen how easy it is to misdirect the masses, and if you can get the uninformed believing you they would probably slowly convert the informed.
I thought since your a leader you would know how to do this better then me by now.
I've always thought honesty was the best policy. There's all different ways to be an effective leader.
Might also mention that we had a primary and that Darius and Bane were the names that shook out of that. It's really more akin to EVE's first political party than election rigging.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 19:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Divad Ginleek I'm sort of surprised theres not a one candidate per alliance rule. Seems the best way to avoid any one group of players (a minority) from forcing their will on the playerbase at large (the majority).
But we all know the CSM is just a vacation in Iceland. The devs will rub their chin, say "interesting ideas", then go back to what ever they were planning before the CSM showed up. Its a game company with a producer and other people in charge of ideas. Not a government body in need of input from the 'people'. So why make such a big deal about it?
The votes are a majority rule. No alliance in the game is anywhere near a majority. If BRUCE had 8 people elected it would be because the majority spoke and decided that's the way it should be, therefore it would be their will represented.
Regarding the usefulness of the CSM. It may very well be that the devs want external opinions to help curb groupthink. It could also just be a pr thing to keep people engaged. You're more likely to continue buying into something you have a stake in.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.08 19:46:00 -
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hardly suprising. Many of the major CSM candidates are being backed by similar blocs - who would likely try similar things if they had the kind of numbers Goons do.
Dirty? sure, but perfectly legit.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 08/05/2008 19:53:32
Originally by: Rawr Cristina hardly suprising. Many of the major CSM candidates are being backed by similar blocs - who would likely try similar things if they had the kind of numbers Goons do.
Dirty? sure, but perfectly legit.
I'm afraid I don't find it dirty... it's politics. That's democracy.
If anyone is able to compel a large group of people to vote for them then that is by very definition a successful campaign. Simply because some of us have an existing support network already built that doesn't make it dirty. Should we apologize for being successful community organizers?
I also think you'll find that many more than Goons will have cast their votes in this election.
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Sosus Red
Caldari Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Harry Edited by: Tom Harry on 07/05/2008 12:43:58
Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike
Please, entertain us. What do you think a Goon could do during that meeting at CCP. Go with the worst case scenario you can come up with.
Worst case?
There's four goons running, right? Alright, lets see then, brainfarting time.
Worst case: The four goons wait around at the arrival gate at the airport in Icelandicland. They identify and kidnap the five other CSM under the false pretense of recruiting them for a 9 seat taxi.
They take the five kidnappees out into the Icelandi wilderness, bury them in the sand dunes with only their heads poking up and a pair of chineese eating sticks to dig their way out.
The goons then proceed to the CCP building where one defecates outside in the lovely green hedge. Alerted by the strange smell from their garden, the devs come out to greet the CSM and learn that only four "had time" to come.
Some greetings later they find themselves in the CCP briefing room where the unsuspecting devs go through their latest plans point by point. Little do they know of the danger at hand.
The goons sit and wait. Downtime comes and the servers go offline. The goons strike.
An hour later the devs are missing, the Eve Server Cluster thoroughly humped by a local dog that slipped in while none was watching and the actual game itself is rewired granting Goons Jove ships and a penetration-proof Deathstar called Ted.
Thats is actually funny Giddy up!
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Learyth
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 00:59:00 -
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I for one did not vote for any goon. Reasons being. As they have all pretty stated. Goons do as Goons want. When they want. How they want. Etc. The consequence of those actions is deemed "Fun" by goons. This is certainly True. But was it "Fun" for the person sitting in Emp that just got suicide ganked? Can you honestly tell me that? Probably not. They have this attitude. Hence if or when a Goon sits on the CSM. They will support solely a Goon's "Fun". Not fun for the majority of the rest of us. That is why I would not vote for a single goon. The more goons that run tho. The better for us. As they are probably just diluting their own voting bloc. This is just my opinion.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.09 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 09/05/2008 08:22:53 !!!NEWS!!!
Parties with similiar ideologies voting in an organized matter is VOTE RIGGING!!!!!!!!!!!
/!!!NEWS!!!
Why goons? This game was, and still is, pretty broken before we came: and putting pubbies into the CSM can only make it worse.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 09/05/2008 14:15:39
Originally by: Learyth I for one did not vote for any goon. Reasons being. As they have all pretty stated. Goons do as Goons want. When they want. How they want. Etc. The consequence of those actions is deemed "Fun" by goons. This is certainly True. But was it "Fun" for the person sitting in Emp that just got suicide ganked? Can you honestly tell me that? Probably not. They have this attitude. Hence if or when a Goon sits on the CSM. They will support solely a Goon's "Fun". Not fun for the majority of the rest of us. That is why I would not vote for a single goon. The more goons that run tho. The better for us. As they are probably just diluting their own voting bloc. This is just my opinion.
Breaking news:
Goons want to have fun playing a videogame!
Goons rig election!
Goons won't win because they are diluting their voting bloc!
The rather definitive statements from people uninvolved about who we are, what we stand for and what our intentions are are made all the more hilarious by the continuing doublespeak.
In a videogame where you shoot other people, the people getting shot aren't always going to enjoy dying. I don't enjoy dying either. But I do it. A lot. I still log in and it's part of the game. So now goons are awful because we play the game.
I know what would make you happy. Perhaps Goons should play Eve only for the benefit of Caldari Provisions. Maybe we should just not have enemies and be friendly with everyone that would sure make for a fun game boy howdy!
Really these arguments are becoming more and more silly. The paranoid insinuations that somehow a goon CSM rep would instantly run out and convince the devs that there should be no more mining and no more fun for anyone except goons is equally silly. Reality is that way ---->
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:24:00 -
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At least now we know who the goon sleeper in Styx is.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:09:00 -
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I cant see any problem with the OPs 'revelation' that Goonswarm are intent on focusing their considerable voting power to ensure a Pro-Goon candidate on the CSM: its entirely predictable and indeed strategicaly common sense both for Goonswarm and indeed any other Alliance.
It is in the interest of any 'power bloc' in EVE (be that a formal Alliance or playstyle) to ensure they are represented on the CSM so that they have at least the opportunity to sway CCP to supporting their own agenda or to oppose the efforts of others to do the same.
Goonswarm / SA are simply better organised, and more readily identifiable by the player base. As to their intentions its impossible to judge. If you view the GS/GF address from Fanfest you'll find them funny, self depricating and an enthusiastic bunch - look elsewhere and you'll find them hell bent on destroying EVE (or indeed any other MMO).
Where does the truth fall? Probably somewhere in the middle. Are there elements with the SA community and GS who want to see CCP and EVE fail? Almost certainly. But then thats true elsewhere in EVEs community amongst other disaffected players not associated with GS/SA.
Its worth noting the GS is a element of an already exisiting community - its simply one thats manifested on the internet rather than by national or cultural bounds. In my view its far better that CCP open a dialog with GS/GF than leave them out in the cold - keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer as they say...
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Ur235
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ur235 on 09/05/2008 16:38:47
This vote is doomed, the only outcome is its going to be corrupt, with alliances like BoB Goons and RA who have all cheated the game one way or another in the past, that wud do anything to have more impact on what ccp does and how it can benefit there own selfish desires how can you take it seriously?
and the fact that the top allainces are a hell of alot bigger than the smaller ones and they get there own alliance to vote for them, how can it be fair?. And those oens that are not in any of the "top alliances" will most likely get bribed by them one way or another, and im sure the bribers would find some sort of use for them
Its pointless
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Lumen Atra
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.09 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lumen Atra on 09/05/2008 16:43:14 Edited by: Lumen Atra on 09/05/2008 16:42:45 Edited by: Lumen Atra on 09/05/2008 16:42:08 Edited by: Lumen Atra on 09/05/2008 16:40:54 Edited by: Lumen Atra on 09/05/2008 16:39:30
Originally by: Cailais look elsewhere and you'll find them hell bent on destroying EVE (or indeed any other MMO).
Except that if you actually did look elsewhere, you would find this completely false. If you would, say, become a member of the SA forums and hang out for a couple years reading everything, then perhaps you would understand where the humor comes from, and what the overall 'feeling' is of goons.
Somebody mentioned a motto - other than "the internet is serious business" there is no motto for SA, no motto for Eve goons, etc. If there was a motto, it would actually fall closer to "waging war on stupidity and lack of common sense." The problem here is that the antics that fall from that motto can be easily misconstrued, and thus you have goons that take it to mean "be a dip**** *******" because some goons are literally to stupid themselves to realize that taking advantage of a person's lack of common sense is not the same as being an ******* that spams you with **** or otherwise tries to abuse you. It is a fine line, and, if you would look around, you would find that a good chunk - if not the majority - of goons seriously dislike those that take the "be an *******" route.
Games like second-life are attacked by these types of goons, the ones that get their jollies off on ruining a person's day through belligerence. Second-life is a proven haven of some very questionable personality types (furries and pedos), and that became a focus point for the ADD, ******* goons. On the flipside, you see goons playing games like Wurms online - a total sandbox game where people mainly build stuff out of the world. These goons have built a lot of very nice and useful things for the playerbase, and generally just stay away in the section of the world they have built up.
The problem in Eve is that you get people, like in a previous post, saying "ok, it's not against the rules to suicide kill that person for fun, but did that OTHER person have fun because of it?!" Well no **** sherlock, of course that person didn't. But why is that person's idea of fun more important than the other's? If the goon didn't do that, then the goon would not have had fun. It's a lose/win situation. But it is funny - because just like in real life, good deeds are rarely reported on. God forbid you realize that only a small sect of goons actually do even half of the "bad" stuff that seems to get people's panties in a bunch.
So long as it isn't against the rules, people should grow a thicker skin and stop being hypocrites.
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ur235 Edited by: Ur235 on 09/05/2008 16:38:47
This vote is doomed, the only outcome is its going to be corrupt, with alliances like BoB Goons and RA who have all cheated the game one way or another in the past, that wud do anything to have more impact on what ccp does and how it can benefit there own selfish desires how can you take it seriously
Please explain how Goons or RA cheated the game? I'd like to know where this comes from, because I'm certainly not seeing how we 'cheat'.
When I pull up to a POS the shields don't shut down and it insta-unanchors with all modules and then fit in my frigate so I can fly away with it all...
A lot of you whiny types seem to think that the CSM folks are going to show up and Iceland and say do THIS and CCP is going to go 'by your command' and do whatever one single CSM wants. Clearly you must be from a dicatorship country because clearly you've not seen how impossible of a task that is.
The CSMs are only as powerful as CCP wants them to be, and for all of the comments posted by CCP about the program so far, it looks like a free trip to Iceland with some wine & dine type interaction is about the most a CSM can expect to get out of this from CCP.
Speaking as someone who's worked for a company that brings people in for discussions, at worst you pat them on the head, give them some 'exclusive' t-shirts or maybe a polo shirt, send them home, and then marvel in the ridiculous ideas they came up with and continue down the path they started with out implementing anything they said. At best, you think about it, check the economics of it, realize you can't afford it and move on.
The CSM isn't going to be a board of directors dictating where EVE goes...I don't know why so many people seem to feel that they are.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:49:00 -
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Sigh... thanks for this CCP...
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ur235 Edited by: Ur235 on 09/05/2008 16:38:47This vote is doomed, the only outcome is its going to be corrupt, with alliances like BoB Goons and RA who have all cheated the game one way or another in the past,
Here's the difference:
When BoB "cheat", CCP sets up a whole internal department to oversee the game and ensure it can never happen again.
When Goons "cheat", CCP says, 'hey, you know that's actually a pretty good idea', and they implement it into the main client. -----------
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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:20:00 -
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By definition, the election is the results if the will of the majority. The goons have a lot of people, and a lot of votes that they can cast in an organized fashion.
This isn't rigging, this is how elections work.
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Dionisius
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 11:26:00 -
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Don't bother big K.
As i said before and i repeat, voting for the Council Of Stellar Puppets is the same as doing nothing. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.11 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ur235 This vote is doomed, the only outcome is its going to be corrupt, with alliances like BoB Goons and RA who have all cheated the game one way or another in the past, that wud do anything to have more impact on what ccp does and how it can benefit there own selfish desires how can you take it seriously?
I can't agree with your "cheated the game" aspect; every player pays to play EVE and every player therefore deserves a vote in helping select some 'guides' (as the CSM can't actually *change* anything other than priorities through discussion). The big alliances already have many connections anyway.
Originally by: Ur235 and the fact that the top allainces are a hell of alot bigger than the smaller ones and they get there own alliance to vote for them, how can it be fair?. And those oens that are not in any of the "top alliances" will most likely get bribed by them one way or another, and im sure the bribers would find some sort of use for them
Its pointless
1. I am not a candidate from by corp or alliance. 2. I cannot be bribed. Absolutely not. Ingame or out of it. 3. I would publicise anyone who tried to bribe or force me to their will and let the rest of the playerbase draw their own conclusions.
Selecting a candidate of *your* choice and voting for them is not pointless. It is the source of hoping for a better future.
IZ
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:29:00 -
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Quote: 2. I cannot be bribed.
Lying in your campaign, you sound like real politician.
That you cannot be bribed ingame, okay that might be possible. But not out game? Or you are just plain lying or you are ********.
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