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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:00:00 -
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To be frank, I prefer the Dominix for missions, and I think the Raven does the most damage in PvP, but the Megathron is just plain easier to use. However, I really like the Rokh! Too bad I'm a crappy sniper. I'm a Gallente-Caldari hybrid guy, so sue me. ---
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Billy Merc
Amarr Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Merc on 08/05/2008 00:05:34 domis are about as usefull as ravens in regard that the drones do most the dps...any man in his right mind is gunna kill the drones...granted the domi can hold a "gooonswarm" full of the suckers.
really the choice is yours bud.....i would roll with the gallente if u intend to go pvp'ing...that said i dont fly eihter of them ****ty races :P minmitar and amarr ftw
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:05:00 -
[33]
Look below, the Kitawa clan agrees with you.
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Bertn Erney
The Fudge Packers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:06:00 -
[34]
EFT warriors are GO!!!
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Eric Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:06:00 -
[35]
Hell I'm Caldari and even I know to fly Gallente.
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Celeste Kitawa
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:06:00 -
[36]
I support my older twin sister. Gallente is 100% pure ftw.
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Erica Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:08:00 -
[37]
If you don't fly Gallente there's something wrong with you.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:09:00 -
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There you have it. The family has had their .01 isk and they agree, Chisii you MUST fly Gallente.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 07/05/2008 22:00:35
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa 2) It does higher DPS than the Raven, and DPS is sort of needed to blow things up.
lol rofl kekeke... hai, can I haz t3h "patch nerfed" torps plz on big bird for pew pew nau ? Ktxbai !
No, seriously, are you saying you deal more effective DPS at, say, oh, 15... or 20... or 30 km from a Mega vs the DPS a Raven can dish out at that distance ? I'll take a small gang of Ravens + some minnie recons or ewar frigs over any "gallente-only" gang of similar size any time of the day.
:eng101: the term you are looking for is "unresisted DPS".
Sorry Akita, I didn't mean to crap all over your Raven.
Your Raven can do decent DPS at 30km, but so can my Megathron. My Megathron has a better chance TO DAMAGE things because it doesn't rely on the signature radius of a target to do damage. If it hits, it hurts. Meanwhile, and I quote one of my comics:
linkied by chainsaw
Here we have a rofltastic image of a torpedo hitting a target and scratching it. If that was a neutron blaster that ship would instapop.
So, simple fact is you do crap dps to anything smaller than a battleship. IF you use torpedoes.
But I can hear a "we can use cruuiisesee missillesss". So let's run EFT and check the unresisted DPS.
Okay. Cruise missiles are designed for long range combat, yeah? Alright.
At all skills set to level 5, your cruise missiles with tech 2 launchers and standard cruise missiles do 272 DPS. My Megathron with all skills set to level 5 with 7 425mm Railgun IIs do 273 DPS.
Akita, I just beat you at your silly little game of semantics.
BTW: I just remembered the Raven only has 6 launcher slots. Another reason for it to suck, lol. Another less chance for it to hit xD
edit: i kan spel gud
raven needs more pwnage painter, oh and
huzzah for eftwarrioring!
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:11:00 -
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I'm a Cald shield tank missile punk, but I am gonna train Amarr because LaZoRz are just cool.
*Soporo admits to having some pulses in the last two high slots*
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Billy Merc
Amarr Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:11:00 -
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oh and is ure stat list with drones alone ???
Last time i checked a mega pulse II geddon with 5 orgre II was pretty nasty.
Phoon + Siege II + 800 RA II + 5 x ogre II (navy torp, RF EMP or hail)
if u want flexability or sexability phoon (lol and i dont even fly them cause i dont have decent missile skills....tho 12 mil in guns makes up for that)
Dont get me wrong the mage is a dam nice ship.....but are by no means the top duck
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Merc oh and is ure stat list with drones alone ???
No. It was all skills level 5 with racial guns and a STANDARD fit with highslots.
The only exception I had to throw in was the Typhoon, because it without a doubt typically uses at least 2 missile slots, so I just filled the bays.
I explained it in the post. As many Ogre IIs as I can jam in the ship, + racial tech 2 weaponry with standard ammos.
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Nightmare on 08/05/2008 00:55:06
EDIT: Also included Marauders I got very bored, and calculated the DPS of all battleships when fit for gank
State Raven =1530 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2/ Ogre 2s) Fedathron = 1479 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Ogre 2s) Tribal Temp =1429 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2/ Ogre 2s) Dominix = 1347 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Ogre 2s) Megathron = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Navy Mega = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Vindicator = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Kronos = 1320 DPS (Neutron 2s / Hammerhead 2s) Hyperion = 1249 DPS (Neutron 2s/Ogre 2s) Imp Geddon = 1228 DPS (Pulse laser 2s/ Ogre 2s) Armageddon = 1223 DPS (Pulse Laser 2/Ogre 2s) Navy Raven = 1220 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Typhoon = 1196 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Ogre2s/ Siege Missile Launcher 2s) [3 BCUS] Maelstrom = 1143 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2/ Ogre 2s) Typhoon = 1136 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Ogre2s/ Siege Missile Launcher 2s) [3 Gyrostabs] Machariel = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Tempest = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Fleet Temp = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Nightmare = 1134 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Paladin = 1134 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ HAmmerhead 2s) Imp Apoc = 1097 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Ogre 2s) Raven = 1096 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Rohk = 1088 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Golem = 1087 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Vargur = 1084 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s ) Rattlesnake= 1069 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Abaddon = 995 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Bhaalgorn = 939 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Navy Apoc = 939 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Apocalypse = 926 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Scorpion = 623 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2s/ Hammerhead 2s)
All ships had 3 Damage mods, with skills at level 5, using t2 high damage ammunition, all fits t2
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:57:00 -
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Ghost Nightmare you rock. Thanks for filling in what I left out.
You deserve a Gold Star! :D ♥
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:01:00 -
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YAY! gold star
It entertained me for a good 20 mins :P so i concider that win
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Schalac
Caldari Brotherhood of Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:05:00 -
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It's interesting to see the raven and mega out damage their marauder counterparts. By chance did you save the setups to see what those 4 ships tanks are compared to each other?
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Edited by: Ghost Nightmare on 08/05/2008 00:55:06
EDIT: Also included Marauders I got very bored, and calculated the DPS of all battleships when fit for gank
State Raven =1530 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2/ Ogre 2s) Fedathron = 1479 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Ogre 2s) Tribal Temp =1429 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2/ Ogre 2s) Dominix = 1347 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Ogre 2s) Megathron = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Navy Mega = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Vindicator = 1333 DPS (Neutron 2s / Ogre 2s) Kronos = 1320 DPS (Neutron 2s / Hammerhead 2s) Hyperion = 1249 DPS (Neutron 2s/Ogre 2s) Imp Geddon = 1228 DPS (Pulse laser 2s/ Ogre 2s) Armageddon = 1223 DPS (Pulse Laser 2/Ogre 2s) Navy Raven = 1220 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Typhoon = 1196 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Ogre2s/ Siege Missile Launcher 2s) [3 BCUS] Maelstrom = 1143 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2/ Ogre 2s) Typhoon = 1136 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Ogre2s/ Siege Missile Launcher 2s) [3 Gyrostabs] Machariel = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Tempest = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Fleet Temp = 1135 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s / Siege Missile Launcher 2s) Nightmare = 1134 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Paladin = 1134 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ HAmmerhead 2s) Imp Apoc = 1097 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Ogre 2s) Raven = 1096 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Rohk = 1088 DPS (Neutron 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Golem = 1087 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Vargur = 1084 DPS (800mm Repeating Artillery 2 / Hammerhead 2s ) Rattlesnake= 1069 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2 / Hammerhead 2s) Abaddon = 995 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Bhaalgorn = 939 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Navy Apoc = 939 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Apocalypse = 926 DPS (Pulse Laser 2s/ Hammerhead 2s) Scorpion = 623 DPS (Siege Missile Launcher 2s/ Hammerhead 2s)
All ships had 3 Damage mods, with skills at level 5, using t2 high damage ammunition, all fits t2
Should take out the state raven, fedathron (ha), and tribal tempest (and one of the amarr ships), since they are exceedingly rare. (2-3 state ravens in existence )
Unless of course, you are just making a list of battleship DPSes no matter how rare they are, then you get a second gold star! <3 It's on contract in Jita.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 08/05/2008 01:07:54
But you see, the Dominix is without a doubt the highest DPS ship of them all. I mean, considering there's only as many Corvuses as I can count the fingers on one hand, and only one Fedathron.. that leaves the mighty flying turd of a space whale floating at the top ^_^
Whee \o/ Gallente POWA!
edit: nitpicking ftl, but you left black ops out *u.u*
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Nightmare on 08/05/2008 01:09:40 yea, tis a beast, i put in the 5 Elite ships in for lolz, simply to show that overall caldari had the highest damage bs in the game, even though im gallente :/ still, if youve got a SIR handy, train it up :P
Id have put the blackops in, but their damage is usually crappy
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:09:00 -
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now whats the practicality of them setups?
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton now whats the practicality of them setups?
High dps, High passive, like a good old plated gank mega, back when i lived in hisec i flew those all the time, and rarely lost them, simply because few ships can easily tank 1333 dps, and the idea is to kill them before they kill you :)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton now whats the practicality of them setups?
I would assume that with 3 damage mods in the lows that is the spirit of a "gank" setup, so that leaves room for logistics and what little tank you can jam in there.
A gank ship TYPICALLY has the following traits:
1) Extremely high DPS 2) Lack of any formidable tank 3) Tons of electronic warfare 4) Fast 5) Quick lock times
So with those setups he posted I can assume that those are feasible setups.
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:15:00 -
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Most of them are, all ships can be fitted like that, if it would be good or not is another story (gank scorp would fail simply cause damage is atrocious)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Most of them are, all ships can be fitted like that, if it would be good or not is another story (gank scorp would fail simply cause damage is atrocious)
You say just the scorpion has atrocious damage?
Look at the Raven! It's more than three quarters of the way down the list! And the Rokh is right under it!
Hi o/\o Five Forum Warriors Unite!
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Nightmare on 08/05/2008 01:29:05
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Most of them are, all ships can be fitted like that, if it would be good or not is another story (gank scorp would fail simply cause damage is atrocious)
You say just the scorpion has atrocious damage?
Look at the Raven! It's more than three quarters of the way down the list! And the Rokh is right under it!
Hi o/\o Five Forum Warriors Unite!
Lol, scorpions damage is significantly more rubbish than the ravens! i concider any ship that can do over 1000 dps as a suitable ship for ganking, hell i flew with a guy who fitted his raven with tackle and passive armor tank, as well as the noted dps and that thing *****ed some skulls, at my skills the megathron gets 1100 dps and that thing still barbeques many ships tanks pretty fast (12 mil skillpoints ftl )
*steals some of Siigari's skillpoints*
EDIT: Why the hell is c.r.a.c.k a blocked word :/ now it seems liek im condoning skull ******* : /
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare *steals some of Siigari's skillpoints*
Hey! *swats Ghost off*
My skillpoints! I said UNITE, not BOND! lol
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:30:00 -
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lol :( meh, skillpoints dont really matter as long as you specialise right off the bat *hugs his gallente battleships*
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:33:00 -
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Keeeeeee ^_____^
Gallente is and always will be the superpower in EVE. I say that with pride :D
*knocks on wood*
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Ghost Nightmare
Yarrtards With Epeen Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:35:00 -
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ok, im bored enough, do i calculate command ships and add them to the list? as well as black ops battleships? hacs and battlecrusiers or do i leave it be :P
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 01:35:00 -
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Sure. Then do the dreadnoughts :3
500 mil says the Moros comes out on top ^_____________________^
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