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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:05:00 -
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Just one question then.
WHY was the Dominix previously the prefered suicide-gank ship, but now it's the Raven, if a Dominix is (still, allegedly) sooooooo much better ?
And no, "suicide-gankers are stupid" is not a valid answer. They're not. Quite the polar opposite. Yes, some still use Dominixes, others use Armageddons, but the "primary" ship shifted from the Dominix to the Raven post-torp-changes.
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Chisii
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Posted - 2008.05.08 15:53:00 -
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Blimey, I never expected quite so many replies in such a short time. And it seems like a valid question too judging by the mixed views. I guess I'll also need to look into what doors open once the skill is complete too as BS lvl 5 is the key. Drones are also a consideration as I will obviously need T2 heavies but thats almost there anyway. And, like someone said earlier it'll depend on what type of PvP I'll be doing and if missions are going to be done much. Hmmmm, still lots to think about eh? Oh well, I shall let this debate continue cause it seems a good 'un.
Cheers........Chisii
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:15:00 -
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Well... as the old saying goes... if you don't know what to pick... either flip a coin, or pick both. Might take a while, but then again, in EVE, a month is not that much time
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Kasken
Amarr X Bane X
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kasken on 08/05/2008 17:28:45 Actually, you only got 2 of my corp's bs. Both km's had more than just your domi on it.
Also, most of SONE was very inexperienced pvp wise. When you went up against my corp specifically, you pretty much docked and hid or got killed.
Either way, the domi is not the end all be all bs, any bs can shine in the right circumstances...
This is Heartcarver btw, new char :)
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
WHY was the Dominix previously the prefered suicide-gank ship, but now it's the Raven, if a Dominix is (still, allegedly) sooooooo much better ?
The Alpha dmg... ==================================================
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Jawbreaker x
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Posted - 2008.05.08 18:14:00 -
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Because concord jam drones now or ccp nerfed dominix's drone damage for sucide ganking ,question is what isthe relation with suicide gank and OP's question?
Originally by: Akita T Just one question then.
WHY was the Dominix previously the prefered suicide-gank ship, but now it's the Raven, if a Dominix is (still, allegedly) sooooooo much better ?
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Helfix
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:00:00 -
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**Sigh**
Nothing to say except...
**Hugs his buffer tanked, 4x BCU, Siege II pwngMobile that is the Raven**
nuff said
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Just one question then.
WHY was the Dominix previously the prefered suicide-gank ship, but now it's the Raven, if a Dominix is (still, allegedly) sooooooo much better ?
And no, "suicide-gankers are stupid" is not a valid answer. They're not. Quite the polar opposite. Yes, some still use Dominixes, others use Armageddons, but the "primary" ship shifted from the Dominix to the Raven post-torp-changes.
The Dominix is an unpopular ship because it is EXTREMELY skill intensive.
Anyone can hop into a torp raven after like, a month and do omgdps.
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.09 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Your Raven can do decent DPS at 30km, but so can my Megathron. My Megathron has a better chance TO DAMAGE things because it doesn't rely on the signature radius of a target to do damage. If it hits, it hurts. Meanwhile, and I quote one of my comics:
ahhaah really? Your mega doesn't rely on sig radius? I want it then
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:05:00 -
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HINT:
drones can pop, so the more the DPS relies on them (domi, mega > raven), the more it falls if that happens... :)
also, turrets do more damage to unaware targets, but aware ones will suffer from torps (exploiting holes in resistance attribution VS fitting high kin/exp resistances). since it's always better to be aware in Eve, ravens seem more reasonable as a choice (though there are situations you can't really predict) :)
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
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BiggestT
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Posted - 2008.05.09 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Erhem *clears throat*
The dirty Achura posting above me obviously has no idea what he is talking about.
The Gallente blasterboat that is the Megathron is hands down the finest battleship of the two. Why?
1) It possesses an outstanding active OR passive tank.
2) It does higher DPS than the Raven, and DPS is sort of needed to blow things up.
3) It is not made of cheap steel and flimsy tubings.
4) It has 7 slots for turrets AND 2 launcher slots. The Raven only has 7 Missile slots and 2 turret slots. Guns > Missiles.
5) The Megathron looks cooler.
These are 5 award-winning reasons as to why the Megathron is superior to the Raven. The Raven has one defining quality however... it reprocesses nicely into a rather large pile of minerals. :3
LOL at how stupid you are..raven 7 missile slots eh? 2 turret slots eh? WRONG fool tool drool.
And u dont train cal bs or gall bs to 5 just for these ships, consider them all...Rokh>Hyp, Mega<raven, Scorp>Domi NOW ALOT OF U WILL DISAGREE but if u look at fleet pos preferences...
And besides, cal have cooler looking cap ships and better t2 bs's so go cal bs first :P If u love those grose little drones train gallente coz gallente carrier training>caldari carrier training simply coz of skill types..
For more general pvp both have pro's n cons, but Raven best pve ship so..yeah..plus they dont look like ghey christams decorations
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Kusha'an
Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kusha''an on 09/05/2008 15:19:31
Originally by: BiggestT
LOL at how stupid you are..raven 7 missile slots eh? 2 turret slots eh? WRONG fool tool drool.
And u dont train cal bs or gall bs to 5 just for these ships, consider them all...Rokh>Hyp, Mega<raven, Scorp>Domi NOW ALOT OF U WILL DISAGREE but if u look at fleet pos preferences...
And besides, cal have cooler looking cap ships and better t2 bs's so go cal bs first :P If u love those grose little drones train gallente coz gallente carrier training>caldari carrier training simply coz of skill types..
For more general pvp both have pro's n cons, but Raven best pve ship so..yeah..plus they dont look like ghey christams decorations
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Kurundo Garon
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:20:00 -
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guess i must be crazy. i am selling a char with gal BS5 to get a cladari one. (also becasue here suport skill aint trained yet and i need 1 in action)
A well i just want that Rokh.
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Ashmira
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Posted - 2008.05.10 01:16:00 -
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For me, this is the dilemma:
Caldari BS5 gives you the best BS line-up in the game, 3 ships that are awesome in their respective fields.
The scorpion is a fine ECM boat The raven for pve/small scale pvp/short range The rokh for fleets
The caldari capitals however, despite their popularity, are inferior to their gal counterparts.
Since BS 5 on its own doesn't really offer something amazing, and on the other hand, no sense in making provisions if you'll never want to fly capitals with the character, the answer ultimately depends on your ambitions. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.10 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kurundo Garon guess i must be crazy. i am selling a char with gal BS5 to get a cladari one. (also becasue here suport skill aint trained yet and i need 1 in action)
A well i just want that Rokh.
Selling? That seems a bit unnecesary if you're fully skilled up in Gallante already. All you'll need for a Rokh is Caldari Battleship skill and probably some shield skills, since you presumably have large hybrids already trained up.
Caldari BS 5 + Shield Management 5 + Shield Ops 5 + TSM 4 = about 3.1 million SP. And that's for "perfect" skills; with 4/4/4 you'll be "competent" and that'll take about 750k SP; call it 2 weeks. Add another week for ECM skills and you can make yourself a good ECM scorp pilot too.
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