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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.09 10:17:00 -
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I'd like to bring to your attention a major imbalance in missiles, when compared to turrets.
It's quite a serious problem really, but one that seems to have gone unnoticed. Namely, that missiles don't look as cool as turrets when firing.
I recently acquired a G15 keyboards, so I could fire a 'full volley' from a Rokh. And I have to say, it looks really awesome, to see 8 rails (or blasters) firing at once. Try the same thing on a Raven, and what do you get. A big blob, that's slightly brighter than an individual missile, that kind a goes 'pop' when it hits something.
Worse still, the 'missile blob' just kind of emerges from the centre of the hull. No turret firing animation, no 'visible hardpoints' just a little blob ejected into space.
Now, there's one missile which doesn't have all these problems. The torpedo, has an eminently satisfying impact and blast wave. Even when you fire a 'powerball' of missiles, you get multiple rings on different planes, which means it at least looks like they got hit by several shots.
Smaller missiles, however, don't do this.
And don't get me started on the 'annoying yap' which is the explosion of light missiles. I mean, these are INTERNET SPACESHIPS. Where is the majesty of a flash and a yapping puppy explosion.
I would like to suggest the following be implemented forthwith:
Slight sideways vector on missiles when they fire. A full volley of missiles shouldn't be a 'single blob' - they should spread, just a little bit, so you can see that multiple shots have been fired.
Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. Maybe even firing 'macross style' in all directions, and turning towards the target.
Explosions: Let them look like explosions please, not metaphorical elavator flatulence. "Big bada boom". Torps are a good start, the rest need to follow.
I think we can all agree, that 'looking awesome' is an area where missiles lose out chronically to turrets, and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention.
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haulitall
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Posted - 2008.05.09 10:29:00 -
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Agreed.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.09 10:34:00 -
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 Originally by: haulitall
Agreed.
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OMG spam 
I kid...
Yes, fancier missile effects would not be uncalled for. Perhaps a bit of extra flight time could be added to compensate for the altered trajectory, too.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:05:00 -
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Nice thread...
Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: haulitall
Agreed.
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haulitall
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: haulitall on 09/05/2008 11:27:51
Originally by: Diomidis
Nice thread...
Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere.
HERESY!
I hereby demand my intarnet spaceship shoot pretty missiles!
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:30:00 -
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Citadel Torpedoes > Turrets.
That is all.
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dojocan81
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:30:00 -
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Daraxia
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:31:00 -
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I think u can be a candidate for Eve CSM, and i will vote for you.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.05.09 11:49:00 -
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Rofl.
Ah, if all our problems were aesthetic  |
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Cautet
Precision Engineering
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 09/05/2008 12:15:27
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Rofl.
Ah, if all our problems were aesthetic
Haha, seeing a Minmitar pilot use the word aesthetic makes me giggle. Half the ships they never got round to removing the scafold from.
Not that they can compare with some of the more 'special' Caldari ships though, like the Moa.
I got to remember to turn on effects next time I see dreads go into siege, and to actualy look at what they are doing, see if the Citadel are worth watching.
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Inquisitor Barbarus
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:16:00 -
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Signed.......
........But only if large artillery gets better sounds to counter the torp exposion visuals which are way overpowered.
Really would be nice to see launcher hardpoints tho.
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Guygeboe
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: haulitall
Agreed.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:28:00 -
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The graphics update part 2 (which is effects and a few new models I think), should fix this, I'm hoping!
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:51:00 -
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You know what? I agree with this. I agree with this completly.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.05.09 12:51:00 -
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Didn't missiles used to do this? I remember seeing an old video of EVE gameplay and the missiles that came out of the raven behaved just like that.
Also, /signed, as I would actually fly my drake more if this happened.
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VengImpSuck
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:14:00 -
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I Agree!
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ACE2008
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:17:00 -
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Agreed.
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edtheshed
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:18:00 -
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what are those pics from that dojocan81 posted?
and yes, that is the soundest plan ive heard in a long time
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:22:00 -
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Agreed with the little missile launchers on hull thing.
Then again, if the missile are launched and need to turn and all, it cuts their range because they waste flight time to get in the right direction and they need to accelerate.
Missiles are missiles, not projectiles with a combustion drive (or w/e they use).
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Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Disco Flint on 09/05/2008 13:24:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
...and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention.
This, really. Missiles need more visual "Oomph!"
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Then again, if the missile are launched and need to turn and all, it cuts their range because they waste flight time to get in the right direction and they need to accelerate.
I'll gladly take a 5% reduction on range of all missiles for visibile launchers and missiles firing away in all directions. Simply because it's so much more awesome.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:34:00 -
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I agree that having missiles get the same kind of detail to their firing graphics as guns would be very nice.
One problem here is guided vs. unguided missiles. An animated missile turret would make sense for an unguided missile since it has no guidance system, but for guided missiles, all you need is a hole in the hull nuch like on the Crow, Eris, and the Drake.
The other problem that I see is that I'd much rather devs spend their time on other, more pressing issues. Modifying the ship models to make room for more hardpoints, creating the actual launcher turret models, etc. would all have to be done for this to work and that's no small amount of effort.
One thing that could be done as a compromise is to have launcher 'hardpoints' added as simple coordinates within the skin of an existing ship model. Just like gun turrets, each launcher would be associated with one of these internal hardpoints and when it fires, its missile would spawn from there instead of them all spawning from the center of mass. This is not a perfect solution, but it would go a long way towards making missiles look more impressive and it wouldn't require a whole lot of effort.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:35:00 -
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If there were a FEW things I could get done differently in Eve, reworking the missile system would be one of them.
I'd LIKE to have my missiles appear from launchers rather than just appearing from the center of my ships. On a missile spewing ship like the HAM Drake it could look fairly spectacular.
I'd also like the ability to turn effects off at the push of a button. 99% of the time I like the game to look as good as it can but larger PVP battles murder my system and I am spending all my time looking at text (the overview) and a graph (my HP) anyway.
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Blutreiter
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:41:00 -
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I recall that they had in fact properly shooting and following missiles in the first versions of EVE, up to the point that they would actually impact on obstacles, so if you hid behind an asteroid, you had a cozy spot.
It was removed to help with the serverload, because each missile had to be calculated serverside up to a certain degree and multiple caldari ships would create a laggy nightmare, much like a blob of droneusers.
Apart from this... YES PLEASE! Make those missiles fire out of proper missile bays!
(i really do hope that comes with the next graphics update, where they promised to upgrade effects and other stuff as well...)
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dojocan81
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
what are those pics from that dojocan81 posted?
and yes, that is the soundest plan ive heard in a long time
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.09 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Guygeboe
Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: haulitall
Agreed.
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Yarr'ed.
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ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!
I was going to come in and tell you to go do something with yourself that would get moderated but this is topnotch posting!
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La Passoire
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Guygeboe
Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: haulitall
Agreed.
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Benco97
Gallente
Exchangable Properties
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:36:00 -
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I saw the topic title and began "powering-up" for a huge rant.
I'm not sure whether to be happy or disappointed now.
Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
Reavers.
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:45:00 -
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I demand rainbow coloured trails!
And different formations like flowers and hearts!
And high-pitched japanese yells on every hit!
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haulitall
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Posted - 2008.05.09 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I saw the topic title and began "powering-up" for a huge rant.
I'm not sure whether to be happy or disappointed now.
Recommend the topic be changed to "Pixel pwnage" or something along that line to lessen confusion.
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