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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.12 06:30:00 -
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Have any of the planets or moons in EVE yet reached the point of ecumenopolis (i.e. one continuous sprawling city covering the surface of the globe)? --
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CCP Ginger
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:53:00 -
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We've never described one yet, but its certainly a very interesting concept to explore.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:34:00 -
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Well I would say good candidates for this would be places like Gallente Prime and Amarr Prime. There maybe a few others based on the other cultures that may have existed that are now dead, but an ecumenopolis/city world/hive world would be a treasure trove of lost technology if one was found.
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Uilliam Nebel
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.12 12:06:00 -
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I would say there are many dozen ecumenopolis level planets in Eve, going by Dr. Doxiadis' original concept of it. However, I do not think that any planet has yet to be so over developed that the majority of land surface area is covered in an urban sprawl like you see in a Star Wars movie or what not. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.) |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.12 12:14:00 -
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If there is one planet I would vote to be made a city planet in PF then it would be Yulai X. The lights of the citys can be seen from space, much like the Homeworlds of the Empires and a few other worlds. And it would fit into the backstory to have a whole planet, dedicated to be a neutral grounds for diplomats to meet,as a bureaucratic center and and industrial backbone for Concord.
Visit Yulai X, an entire world dedicated to keep up law and order in the universe and also the site of the the universe largest Doughnut bakery.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland Well I would say good candidates for this would be places like Gallente Prime and Amarr Prime. There maybe a few others based on the other cultures that may have existed that are now dead, but an ecumenopolis/city world/hive world would be a treasure trove of lost technology if one was found.
I doubt that the holders would allow Amarr prime to be turned into an ecumenopolis, given the importance placed on heritage and agricultural produce. As I imagine it there are probably wide areas of Amarr prime dedicated to preservation as well as estates belonging to various holders and other individuals of importance.
Gallente Prime, maybe. Still, given that in EVE it's anything but easy to transport goods out of the gravity well, so each planet has to be self-sufficient to a very large degree. Thus I can't imagine a planet in EVE without vast areas dedicated to growing food. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:59:00 -
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Mithfindel
Argent Group
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Posted - 2008.05.12 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 12/05/2008 18:41:42 Edited by: Mithfindel on 12/05/2008 18:35:26 There could still be Trantor-like ecumenopolii from Isaac Asimov's Foundation series: They had microfood plants and hydroponic facilities growing food in the midst of a sprawl covering almost the whole planet (with the exception of the Imperial Palace, which was located in the "surface", though what appeared to be the surface of the planet was higher than that, on the rooftops of the houses). Some of the new surface of the planet (i.e. the rooftops) had even managed to gather earth, with forests growing on some of such spots.
Though then again, the Galactic Empire (in the Foundation series), if we compensate for the retro-futurism, would be slightly ahead of the technological level of the civilizations in EVE. That said even in the Foundation Trantor was an exception which did not survive the fall of the Empire, with parts of it becoming rural.
(It's been some time since I read the books, so my memory slight be a bit off.)
Edit: The Wikipedia article of Trantor mentions that it isn't self-sufficient. Ah well.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kudon Astraisx Have any of the planets or moons in EVE yet reached the point of ecumenopolis (i.e. one continuous sprawling city covering the surface of the globe)?
You mean liek Corouscant (spelling?) in Star Wars?
I have seen some planets that reminded me of scenes in the movies where you could see the planet from space.
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:35:00 -
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Well, you can see civilization on Earth from space too.
I'd love to set some fiction in such a setting, particularly in the Republic. The State seems a more likely location, though. --
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.05.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ginger We've never described one yet, but its certainly a very interesting concept to explore.
I've seen a few planet models that seem to come close - continuous "city light" clusters over much of it on the night side.
One is reminded of the Kree homeworld as depicted in Marvel comics: the Caldari always struck me as very Kree-like. Or vice-versa, really: wasn't a whole lot of depth given to them in the appearances I saw them in.
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Tsavu Irika
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Posted - 2008.05.13 05:01:00 -
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I'd definitely attribute the term "Hive-world" to a State planet sooner then I would any other nation. The State is totally 100% devoted to efficiency. The Gallente would be most likely to have one large city or two, and then a lot of recreational grounds.
THe State, however, has no such humanitarian concerns.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.13 15:43:00 -
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But the State has not been on those worlds for more than a few centuries.
I have yet to see a world where entire night side was entirely covered in lights. It could be an interesting survey and theoretically the surfaces of the known inhabited worlds could be mapped based on the idea that the largest population centers will be near water.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:37:00 -
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On the other hand, a world that was originally terraformed where the water was toxic, and drinking water was captured from the atmosphere might not follow the same model of population distribution - just as an example.
Still, I think that the Amarr or Caldari are easily the most likely, with the Caldari being ahead by a hair. Even if it is only several decades old, how developed do you think the headquarters planet of a corporation that owns hundreds of worlds is likely to be? There is also a good chance that certain manufacturing or research activities need near-planet sized facilities (I mean, we have big particle accelerators, how big do you think some of the scientific instruments that KK or Ishukone might have would be?)
The Amarr on the other hand I could easily imagine having factory planets where the entire surface is virtually covered in manufacturing plants and the like. We are talking about a culture that destroyed a moon to build one of their titans centuries ago after all. Add to that the fact that a single noble might hold title to several systems, and I think it is pretty tenable. The strong agricultural base point is valid, but I think that a few agricultural worlds can support other worlds pretty easily. After all, even with slaves, agriculture is able to produce much more food than such a world could possibly use. --------------
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 15:36:00 -
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In a civilization where so much transport is through space, I don't see a reason why population centers would be focused on maritime coasts.
When your logistics mostly involves air and space, there are plenty of other reasons to move to continental interiors, not to mention reasons (think hurricanes / cyclones) to move away from coastal areas. --
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kudon Astraisx In a civilization where so much transport is through space, I don't see a reason why population centers would be focused on maritime coasts.
When your logistics mostly involves air and space, there are plenty of other reasons to move to continental interiors, not to mention reasons (think hurricanes / cyclones) to move away from coastal areas.
I can think of a few reasons: easy supply of water (industrial and residential uses), you can build bigger ships than land or air vehicles for planetside goods transportation and a lack of a standardised system for getting things into/down from orbit.
Natural disasters will happen wherever you are (you mentioned cyclones, what about tornados?) so you might as well build where things are convenient.
By the way, not as much transportation occurs through space as you might think. Luxury goods might get shifted from planet to planet, but the majority of goods stay in space.
Unless a planet has a particular need (a desert planet and water for example), most items are intended for use in space - water we transport is for space stations. All minerals stay in space as unprocessed tritantium is unstable at atmospheric temperatures, so all space ships are built in space.
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 16:47:00 -
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I'm not saying that settlements shouldn't be near water, but fresh water is much more useful than salt water (assuming other planets have hydrologic characteristics even remotely similar to Earth).
And I'd think you'd want to build in a place with a low incidence of tornadoes just like you'd want to build in a place with a low incidence of hurricanes. That said, I live in a place (Texas) with a high rate of tornadoes and they have far less impact on the general population and infrastructure than hurricanes do. --
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kudon Astraisx In a civilization where so much transport is through space, I don't see a reason why population centers would be focused on maritime coasts.
I assumed he meant water *sources,* like for drinkin'. No? Assuming even sea water, one assumes efficient desalinisation. Sure you can pipe it or ship it in, but it's more convenient and safer to be nearish to it.
Unless he didn't mean this, in which case nm.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:56:00 -
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Actually in regards to Gallente Prime, Caldari Prime, Amarr Prime, the Minmatar homeworld (sorry don't know it), and any other original colony that fell into a technological dark age (which all of them did I understand) where water ships (Caldari PF talks about great ships of war) would be the fastest way to travel I meant actual oceans.
But then underwater cities might also be viewable from orbit.
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Mithfindel
Argent Group
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 14/05/2008 22:23:29 At least Nouvelle Rouvenor was underwater on pre-Fed Civil War Caldari Prime, so we know that underwater cities are well within the technological scope.
Also, even when currently there were better methods of transport, some special sites (Amarr religious sites, anyone?) might be still where they have been the last few thousand years. A places of importance left from the ages of old should be coastal, at least.
A note on underwater cities: If we assume that transportation is not a problem, if there's still open land, it would not be economically exactly useful to build cities underwater when it's still just cheaper to build them on land. Assuming that the water isn't needed just for some other reason, like as an additional radiation shield.
Quick edit: Minmatar homeworld is in Pator system, I think, but can't remember the planet?
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