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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.13 01:58:00 -
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Hey, I just started EVE in January and I've been trying to get caught up with the setting and circumstances of the New Eden galaxy. I've got a bunch of questions that I just can't find the answers to. So, I'll post these questions up, and hopefully they'll get answers.
1. Is there any website or place that I can get a good summary of the events of the happenings of EVE after the "prequel story" ends. That is to say.. what have the NPC characters been doing since the start of the game?
2. How do the citizens of the Eve Universe measure time? Is a year an earth year? Are there months? What is the present date in the Eve universe?
3. In the time since the Eve gate disaster, has anyone ever figured out the cause of it?
4. How long ago was the gate disaster?
5. How much "stuff" from before the disaster remains? Are there pre-disaster stations or settlements anywhere? How far had the Earth people explored before the gate collapse?
6. Did the earth people bring stargate technology with them through the wormhole, or was that developed later? Why aren't the planets in the Genesis sector more developed? Why are the "civilized" worlds like Amarr Prime and Matar nowhere near New Eden? One would think that the Genesis sector, being the oldest sector, would have been more developed at the time of the disaster.
7. I think I read somewhere that stargates can only go to systems which have 2 stars. Is this true? If so, where did I read it? Furthermore, all the systems I have seen have only one star, are there systems with multiple stars?
8. Are there any systems in game with observable stellar phenomena.. like comets, nebulae, pulsars, black holes, etc? Are there any planets with a visible ocean from orbit?
9. What is involved in constructing a stargate? Is this something that anyone can do, given the proper resources, or is this the sort of thing that is so expensive that only a planetary government can fund it?
10. Where is the roleplaying community and how can I get involved with it?
11. Is there any information on how each of the races govern themselves? I mean, I know the amarr are theocratic, and the gallente are federal.. but is there more in-depth information on each race?
12. How do people in the EVE universe regard the history regarding the eve gate. Is it the stuff of legends, or part of their recorded history?
13. Are there any maps available showing the positions of the empires in the past? I assume their controlled space has changed over time.
14. Where was the original homeworld of the Jove? Is it now in visitable space, or is it inside Jove space?
15. Why are the Jovians so xenophobic? Is there a reason given? Is it ever explained how they manage to keep everyone out of their space? If nobody from the 4 empires has been to Jovian space, how is their space (and its jumpgates) visible on the map?
16. How many stars are estimated to be in the New Eden galaxy (both visitable and not-visitable)
17. How does an ordinary person become a pod pilot? Is there some matrix-esque method of having "plugs" installed and all that stuff, or is it something that anyone can do? Is there a story reason why pod pilots can't land on planets?
18. Speaking of planets, I've seen concept art depicting planetary bombardment. What kind of weapons did they use to accomplish this? Just normal weapons, or special Planet-shootin weapons that general pilots don't have any access to?
19. Have the empires discovered every single system in the galaxy that it is possible to travel to, or are the empires working on opening up unexplored star systems all the time? If so, how do they go about that?
20. Can someone summarize the current story situation regarding both the empires, the jovians, and the players? It's hard to get a sense of how everyone currently stands unless you're in the thick of it, and I'm far from the front lines.
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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.13 01:58:00 -
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Hey, I just started EVE in January and I've been trying to get caught up with the setting and circumstances of the New Eden galaxy. I've got a bunch of questions that I just can't find the answers to. So, I'll post these questions up, and hopefully they'll get answers.
1. Is there any website or place that I can get a good summary of the events of the happenings of EVE after the "prequel story" ends. That is to say.. what have the NPC characters been doing since the start of the game?
2. How do the citizens of the Eve Universe measure time? Is a year an earth year? Are there months? What is the present date in the Eve universe?
3. In the time since the Eve gate disaster, has anyone ever figured out the cause of it?
4. How long ago was the gate disaster?
5. How much "stuff" from before the disaster remains? Are there pre-disaster stations or settlements anywhere? How far had the Earth people explored before the gate collapse?
6. Did the earth people bring stargate technology with them through the wormhole, or was that developed later? Why aren't the planets in the Genesis sector more developed? Why are the "civilized" worlds like Amarr Prime and Matar nowhere near New Eden? One would think that the Genesis sector, being the oldest sector, would have been more developed at the time of the disaster.
7. I think I read somewhere that stargates can only go to systems which have 2 stars. Is this true? If so, where did I read it? Furthermore, all the systems I have seen have only one star, are there systems with multiple stars?
8. Are there any systems in game with observable stellar phenomena.. like comets, nebulae, pulsars, black holes, etc? Are there any planets with a visible ocean from orbit?
9. What is involved in constructing a stargate? Is this something that anyone can do, given the proper resources, or is this the sort of thing that is so expensive that only a planetary government can fund it?
10. Where is the roleplaying community and how can I get involved with it?
11. Is there any information on how each of the races govern themselves? I mean, I know the amarr are theocratic, and the gallente are federal.. but is there more in-depth information on each race?
12. How do people in the EVE universe regard the history regarding the eve gate. Is it the stuff of legends, or part of their recorded history?
13. Are there any maps available showing the positions of the empires in the past? I assume their controlled space has changed over time.
14. Where was the original homeworld of the Jove? Is it now in visitable space, or is it inside Jove space?
15. Why are the Jovians so xenophobic? Is there a reason given? Is it ever explained how they manage to keep everyone out of their space? If nobody from the 4 empires has been to Jovian space, how is their space (and its jumpgates) visible on the map?
16. How many stars are estimated to be in the New Eden galaxy (both visitable and not-visitable)
17. How does an ordinary person become a pod pilot? Is there some matrix-esque method of having "plugs" installed and all that stuff, or is it something that anyone can do? Is there a story reason why pod pilots can't land on planets?
18. Speaking of planets, I've seen concept art depicting planetary bombardment. What kind of weapons did they use to accomplish this? Just normal weapons, or special Planet-shootin weapons that general pilots don't have any access to?
19. Have the empires discovered every single system in the galaxy that it is possible to travel to, or are the empires working on opening up unexplored star systems all the time? If so, how do they go about that?
20. Can someone summarize the current story situation regarding both the empires, the jovians, and the players? It's hard to get a sense of how everyone currently stands unless you're in the thick of it, and I'm far from the front lines.
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Daerdeae
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Posted - 2008.05.13 04:58:00 -
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These are very direct and very interesting questions. I don't know all the answers, but I know a couple -
5.) Yes. There are some ruins scattered about from the original humans. Somewhere near the EVE Gate itself lies an ancient monolith, whose origins are undefined. Likely an early artifact.
6.) Following the collapse of the EVE Gate, New Eden entered a sort of 'Dark Age'. The collapse of order precipitated the collapse of information and communications. Mankind had explored fairly far before the collapse, and suddenly, the whole universe lost it's one guiding force. Every planet was on it's own.
10.) The RP community is fairly large, though it can be difficult to get into. YOu usually have to meet an RPer to get into the Community, as there's no real resource besides the Library and Summit forums to contact other RPers.
11.) The Amarr are a total theocracy, with 'Holders' as the bulk of the Upper-class.
The Caldari State is a total Military state based around the numbers game. Human lives are little more then a statistic to the ruthless megacorps which run the State.
The Minmatar Republic is a fledgling collection of minor tribes, which is almost constantly in disagreement with itself. Unstable leadership.
The Gallente Federation are a race of luxurious, primarily rich, and blatantly corrupt citizens. The race is viewed as very... flashy.
The Amarr and Caldari are allies of convenience. The Gallente and Minmatar are allies of necessity. The Minmatar relied heavily on the Gallente for their breakaway from the Amarr. The Caldari are the Amarr's source of the Vitoc toxin, and often hold slave raids.
15.) The Jovians are not exactly xenophobic. If you read the short stories, specifically "Theodicy", you will be told a fairly good chunk of the reasons for the Jovian's hiding. People had, in the past, traveled to Jove space. It was not always sealed, as it is now. Following the Battle of Vak'Atioth, where the Jovian fleet totally annihilated a small Amarrian detachment in a greatly over-hyped battle, they kicked out all foreigners, and destroyed all the Stargate connections to their space.
16.) There are over five thousand visitable solar systems in EVE thus far. Then there's a handful of the Jovian systems, and perhaps more that CCP has yet to add.
17.) Pod Pilots are chosen for their genetics. If you read the short story, "Jovian Wetgrave", you learn about how the Jovians first gave Ishukone corporation, of the Caldari State, the Capsule technology. Sometimes one will fall into a comatose status known as "Mind lock", where one is trapped totally within their own mind, and completely unable to have any influence or control of their still-living body, which forces extremely tight genetic requirements. The 'wiggle room' on these genetics changes from one race to the next.
18.) Thus far, the closest you can get to planetary bombardment is taking out a POS/Outpost. Who knows about the future, however, what with mention of a planetside aspect to EVE.
19.) Opening up new galaxies is, as far as I know, still done the same old way - A large ship or two, with powerful capacitors and jump drives, makes essentially an extremely drawn out warp in the direction of another star.
20.) This question changes from one perspective to the next. THanks to EVE Online's size and depth, it is almost impossible to get an accurate feel of the Unvierse's pulse as a whole. If you really want to learn it, then you've got to get into the game, big-time, and keep your ears and eyes wide open.
Adding to this is the fact that the game is almost constantly changing.
Sorry I couldn't answer all of 'em, but I did my best to answer some.
Fly safe,
Daerdeae
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.13 10:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
1. Is there any website or place that I can get a good summary of the events of the happenings of EVE after the "prequel story" ends. That is to say.. what have the NPC characters been doing since the start of the game?
There are four main timelines for the races to describe how they came into contact with eachother, the ensuing conflicts and notable events in their histories here:
Amarr Timeline
Caldari Timeline
Gallente Timeline
Matari Timeline
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
2. How do the citizens of the Eve Universe measure time? Is a year an earth year? Are there months? What is the present date in the Eve universe?
Time is measured in the standard we still used today, hours, days, months years, however the system of years has evolved somewhat. Each empire had it's own calendar and it's safe to assume that they had their own Timezone or Timezones until the Yulai Convention was signed. This standardised the date and time between all four empires into the date and time used in game today.
At present the date is Tuesday May 13th, 110YC (23,346AD, however AD and BC are never referenced on an in character level)
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
3. In the time since the Eve gate disaster, has anyone ever figured out the cause of it?
The four empires are aware of a catastrpohic stellar explosion in the system of New Eden, however there are still ongoing studies into the cause and it's effects, and the bright light in space.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
4. How long ago was the gate disaster?
The Eve Gate collapsed in 8061AD, 15,285 years ago on in character terms, almost destroying life on the New Eden side of the gate. For fifteen millennia society and accumulated knowledge has eroded, then re-evolved into the society we play in today.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
5. How much "stuff" from before the disaster remains? Are there pre-disaster stations or settlements anywhere? How far had the Earth people explored before the gate collapse?
Very little is referenced in the game backstory, and Earth is pretty much unheard of as far as I'm aware, although some people believe that we came from the opposite side of the gate, and some form of homeworld or source exists there. Most of these people are branded lunatics, or are scientists seeking answers.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
6. Did the earth people bring stargate technology with them through the wormhole, or was that developed later? Why aren't the planets in the Genesis sector more developed? Why are the "civilized" worlds like Amarr Prime and Matar nowhere near New Eden? One would think that the Genesis sector, being the oldest sector, would have been more developed at the time of the disaster.
Yes, the initial stargate technology was brought through the wormhole with us, however most of society's technological advancements were apparently lost when the gate collapsed. The reason that the area around New Eden isn't as densely populated as it would have been then is simple, most of the settlements close to the gate were obliterated during the gate's collapse. Most of those that survived were cut off from eachother and left for dead by what happened.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.13 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
7. I think I read somewhere that stargates can only go to systems which have 2 stars. Is this true? If so, where did I read it? Furthermore, all the systems I have seen have only one star, are there systems with multiple stars?
This is something that many RPers wonder about, since it's written as part of the technical backstory of the game. It's also something that's never been explained by CCP, but I'm sure that's with good reason. I'm with you on this one.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
8. Are there any systems in game with observable stellar phenomena.. like comets, nebulae, pulsars, black holes, etc? Are there any planets with a visible ocean from orbit?
There are a lot of systems with gas clouds, rock formations, floating remnants of what once was such as old outposts, stargates and stations. There's also a couple of monoliths kicking about.
If you travel to New Eden, there's a couple of ruined stations off grid, as well as the Eve Gate itself in space as an enormous white light, larger than a second star in the system.
Most of the major landmarks are highlighted in your ingame map, go explore!
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
9. What is involved in constructing a stargate? Is this something that anyone can do, given the proper resources, or is this the sort of thing that is so expensive that only a planetary government can fund it?
As far as I'm aware it's a massively expensive procedure that can take hundreds of years, depending on the distance between the two jump points. A ship has to be sent out to the destination point that the stargate will jump to in order to set up the basic structure of the gate and get it running. Often these care colony ships that can travel for over 100 years to reach their intended destination. Old Man Star
is a Chronicle that may be of interest to you here, and explains how the system got it's name.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
10. Where is the roleplaying community and how can I get involved with it?
We're all around you, and here's a few ways you can get in contact with us :
Eve OOC Forums (Non-Official, Ran By RPers, Moderation Can Be Very Heavy Handed At Times)
Eve Library (Official Forum, Used To Post Character Backstories And General IC Stories)
Intergalactic Summit (Strictly In Character Forum, Official, Moderation By CCP)
As for you character and creating some backstory, don't go over the top with ranks and insignias and making your character a huge hero, stick to prime fiction, and you should be good. "Godmoding" is frowned upon pretty harshly by most of the RPers in Eve.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
11. Is there any information on how each of the races govern themselves? I mean, I know the amarr are theocratic, and the gallente are federal.. but is there more in-depth information on each race?
Yep, there is. There are breakdowns of the entities in each of the four Empires, as well as the pirate factions and smaller political entities and how they are run. You can see information regarding any of there by clicking on their colors here.
There are also four overviews, one for each of the main races :
Amarr
Caldari
Gallente
Matari
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.13 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
12. How do people in the EVE universe regard the history regarding the eve gate. Is it the stuff of legends, or part of their recorded history?
It's surrounded by myth and folklore as far as I'm aware. No one really knows what's on the other sides, because of the devestation caused by the collapse and the sheer amount of time that has passed (15 millennia). As far as I'm aware there's little to no recorded history surrounding the really early years but there are a lot of ongoing studies into the origins of the gate.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
13. Are there any maps available showing the positions of the empires in the past? I assume their controlled space has changed over time.
This is something I would love to see, however I've never seen anything from CCP along these lines, Watch this space!
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
14. Where was the original homeworld of the Jove? Is it now in visitable space, or is it inside Jove space?
15. Why are the Jovians so xenophobic? Is there a reason given? Is it ever explained how they manage to keep everyone out of their space? If nobody from the 4 empires has been to Jovian space, how is their space (and its jumpgates) visible on the map?
Not a lot is known about the Jove, other than they operate several corporations in the other empire's space including Impro, a corporation specilaising in biotechnology and genetic engineering, and the Society Of Conscious Thought, which is a school for the Gifted in New Eden which was founded by a Jovian. They appear to have chosen to live in isolation, sealing off their space as their own little playground for now.
We are aware however that capsule Technology was created by the jovians, and that they've been trading outside their space with the other empires, most notably the Caldari State, namely the Ishukone Corporation to whom they traded the Capsule Technology.
Not a gread deal more is known about them other than they are heavily involved with genetic engineering, practicing it on themselves and eachother. This has caused genetic defects which combine to cause the "Jovian Sickness" which drastically shortens their lifespan.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
16. How many stars are estimated to be in the New Eden galaxy (both visitable and not-visitable)
The setting of Eve is not actually a whole galaxy, but a star cluster that makes up part of a galaxy. Which one is to be debated. There are around 5500 solar systems in the cluster, as for stars that are not visible... well, if they're not visible we can't count them...
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
17. How does an ordinary person become a pod pilot? Is there some matrix-esque method of having "plugs" installed and all that stuff, or is it something that anyone can do? Is there a story reason why pod pilots can't land on planets?
Effectively the capsule is reserved only for those who are genetically compatible with it's technology, hence the sparse amount of capsuleers in the cluster (250,000 out of trillions of inhabitants).
Capsuleers are intensively trained to deal with the stress and mental pressure of capsule based flight, and are implanted with the required hardware to interface with the capsule.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
18. Speaking of planets, I've seen concept art depicting planetary bombardment. What kind of weapons did they use to accomplish this? Just normal weapons, or special Planet-shootin weapons that general pilots don't have any access to?
There has been talk of this in the past, including one of the Amarr Heirs, Aritcio Kor-Azor if I'm not mistaken threatening to park a Revelation class dreadnought in orbit around a planet and flatten surface settlements.
As well as that, during the Gallente/Caldari war, Caldari Prime (which is now under the juristiction of the Gallente Federation) was bombarded from orbit and practically raised to the ground in response to the Caldari Extremist boming of Nouvelle Rovenour.
Orbital bombardment is possible, and it's been noted that it's possible with a Dreadnought, however I should imagine the Sovreign navies have more specialist equipment that can roll out if needed.
...or they can just part a titan in orbit and watch everyone drown as the gravity well from it messes with the tides.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
19. Have the empires discovered every single system in the galaxy that it is possible to travel to, or are the empires working on opening up unexplored star systems all the time? If so, how do they go about that?
There was a patch recently that opened up a previously inaccessible area of space, the area now known as "The Drone Regions" by nickname. It's not unlikely that as Eve's server population grows, the number of systems may follow suit.
As for In character, I'm sure that there are always branches of the goverment in all four of the empires looking to expand their influence. Again, watch this space!
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
20. Can someone summarize the current story situation regarding both the empires, the jovians, and the players? It's hard to get a sense of how everyone currently stands unless you're in the thick of it, and I'm far from the front lines.
Since the end of the conflict between thhe Gallente & Caldari, there's been a somewhat uneasy peace, like that between the Americans and the Russians. This peace seems to be pretty much at breaking point given the current events in the State.
As for the Amarr and Minmatar, there people are actively still skirmishing as the Matari try to reclaim their people from slavery and the Amarr keep battering them back for trying. The two governments however are at a sort of undeclared and uneasy truce after the Yulai Convention and the formation of CONCORD and the DED.
The Jove remain as elusive as ever, watching, waiting and probably preparing for something.
Other than that, life goes on. 
If you're looking to get immersed in Eve's backstory, I suggest you first take a look at the official backstory pages here!
The chronicles, scientific articles and short stories will be of particular interest as well as a breakdown of each race and what's happened in their history.
Races and bloodlines is good to get a grip on the basis for your character, but dig into the chronicles to see how each of the races feels about eachother.
Hope this has helped, if there's any more questions drop me an Evemail if you like.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.13 10:42:00 -
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/me develops carpal tunnel...
Afk... 
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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.13 21:52:00 -
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Thanks for all the responses, Verone! I've been reading up on many of the links you sent. Some of them I had seen, others I never knew existed. I wish these were more visible on the eve-online main page, but I digress.
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There are four main timelines for the races to describe how they came into contact with eachother, the ensuing conflicts and notable events in their histories here
The Caldari timeline says that Tau Ceti colonists bought a planet in system VH-451. The Caldari timeline references this same system.. VH-451. At first, I thought VH-451 was the Luminaire system, but it doesn't seem to add up. The timeline says they bought planets 2 and 3, but Gallente Prime is the 6th planet, and Caldari Prime is the 7th. Also, the Gallente apparently bought their VH-451 planet before EVE opened. So, what is the importance of VH-451?
Related question: The timelines reference the "eve gate" and "the wormhole" seperately. Whats the terminology here? If the eve gate and the wormhole are not the same thing?
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At present the date is Tuesday May 13th, 110YC
Does the day of week, month, and date always coincide with the actual real life date?
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The Eve Gate collapsed in 8061AD, 15,285 years ago on in character terms, almost destroying life on the New Eden side of the gate. For fifteen millennia society and accumulated knowledge has eroded, then re-evolved into the society we play in today.
From the stories, I gather that the main danger caused by the gate collapse was the lack of support coming in from Earth. I gather that the eve collapse also resulted in a massive, destructive physical explosion as well. Is this the case? If so, do we have any idea of the magnitude of the explosion?
Also: Do we happen to know the Milky Way side terminus of the eve wormhole? Was it in the Sol system?
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There's also a couple of monoliths kicking about.
A couple? I've only seen the one at Dead End 5/5. Is there some place I can go to find the location of the others?
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If you travel to New Eden, there's a couple of ruined stations off grid, as well as the Eve Gate itself in space as an enormous white light, larger than a second star in the system.
I've been there 3 times! Never noticed any stations though. Can these be scanned down with probes? I'd like to check them out.
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Most of the major landmarks are highlighted in your ingame map, go explore!
Oh, I have been! Problem is, many of the landmarks are not particularly impressive. I'm still optomistic, though.
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As for you character and creating some backstory, don't go over the top with ranks and insignias and making your character a huge hero, stick to prime fiction, and you should be good. "Godmoding" is frowned upon pretty harshly by most of the RPers in Eve.
I'm an old hand at the RP scene. At this point, though, I am trying to learn enough about the backstory to make an intelligent stab at creating a character.
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Not a lot is known about the Jove,
Have they ever explained how the Jove were virtually unscathed by the eve collapse?
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Effectively the capsule is reserved only for those who are genetically compatible with it's technology, hence the sparse amount of capsuleers in the cluster (250,000 out of trillions of inhabitants).
Capsuleers are intensively trained to deal with the stress and mental pressure of capsule based flight, and are implanted with the required hardware to interface with the capsule.
Are there any stories about this aspect of technology? I'd like to learn more about this, especially in reference as to how I would create a character that lives in a pod.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
The Caldari timeline says that Tau Ceti colonists bought a planet in system VH-451. The Caldari timeline references this same system.. VH-451. At first, I thought VH-451 was the Luminaire system, but it doesn't seem to add up. The timeline says they bought planets 2 and 3, but Gallente Prime is the 6th planet
VH-451 has little to do with the caldari state itself, although it serves as a base for the ancestry of it's inhabitants. The state came well after the collapse of the gate and the formation of the Federation. Initially the state was part of the federation, but became a breakaway independant faction when they got sick of the federation's heavy taxation, then there were the nasties and war broke out.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Related question: The timelines reference the "eve gate" and "the wormhole" seperately. Whats the terminology here? If the eve gate and the wormhole are not the same thing?
As far as i'm aware the "gate" and the "wormhole" are two ways of saying the same thing. Whether or not there was physically a gate that assisted travel, personally I'm not sure. I kind of prefer it that way actually, as it's knowledge the character I RP wouldn't have.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Does the day of week, month, and date always coincide with the actual real life date?
Yep!
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
From the stories, I gather that the main danger caused by the gate collapse was the lack of support coming in from Earth. I gather that the eve collapse also resulted in a massive, destructive physical explosion as well. Is this the case? If so, do we have any idea of the magnitude of the explosion?
Also: Do we happen to know the Milky Way side terminus of the eve wormhole? Was it in the Sol system?
The gate collapsed in what apparently was a system wide event that destroyed most of the outlying settlements in New Eden. As for the other side of the wormhole, I believe it's stated in several places that the wormhole was found on the edge of our system, which would be sol. Couple the devestation with the lack of support and we can see where this is going.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
A couple? I've only seen the one at Dead End 5/5. Is there some place I can go to find the location of the others?
There tends to be several that crop up in a couple of agent missions now and again afaik, I've heard talk of them.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
I've been there 3 times! Never noticed any stations though. Can these be scanned down with probes? I'd like to check them out.
I'm unsure as to whether they can be picked up with probes but as far as i'm aware there are a few people who still have bookmarks to them from using old scanning methouds with the ingame scanner. They're off and around planet one.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Have they ever explained how the Jove were virtually unscathed by the eve collapse?
It's never been stated whether they were, or weren't affected by the gate's collapse... some even believe they might have not come through the gate with us 
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Are there any stories about this aspect of technology? I'd like to learn more about this, especially in reference as to how I would create a character that lives in a pod.
Just the technical articles, however it's become commonly accepted knowledge that a capsuleer can indeed leave his or her capsule and isn't confined to it if he or she wishes not to be. There have been instances of people being immersed though, and never leaving the pod again, preferring to represent themselves outside the pod with a hologram.
There are also a few chronicles that are written in EON magazine that talk a little bit about capsuleers and non-capsuleers but nothing different to what's on the site and already known to be honest other than their lifestyles.
Hope this helps.
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Enheduanni Foundation
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ôHave they ever explained how the Jove were virtually unscathed by the eve collapse?ö
Further away from the gate so the blast didnÆt effect them as bad and more built up and self sustained.
ôWhats the terminology here? If the eve gate and the wormhole are not the same thing?ö
They are the same thing but they are also different the wormhole was there before the gate.
ôNot a gread deal more is known about them other than they are heavily involved with genetic engineering, practicing it on themselves and eachother. This has caused genetic defects which combine to cause the "Jovian Sickness" which drastically shortens their lifespan.ö
I was never very convinced about that. The people the Jove are at war are masters at genetic engineering far beyond the Joves level of technology. I think during the war a bio weapon was used on the Jove. The war is the reason the Jove space is shut and they keep away from us.
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Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:09:00 -
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Thanks again for all the answers! Actually, I've come across a few answers to my own questions by reading all those links posted above.
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VH-451 has little to do with the caldari state itself, although it serves as a base for the ancestry of it's inhabitants.
I read all about the Gallente/Caldari war and their exodus to New Caldari. My question was not so much about their leaving it, as it was about the system itself. I don't understand how VH-451 can be in the New Eden galaxy if it was discovered before the wormhole opened.
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As far as i'm aware the "gate" and the "wormhole" are two ways of saying the same thing. Whether or not there was physically a gate that assisted travel, personally I'm not sure. I kind of prefer it that way actually, as it's knowledge the character I RP wouldn't have.
I discovered a story about people researching the New Eden system. They were able to get close enough to the wormhole to see a space station or gate at the center. Marked in huge letters on the station is the word "EVE". This is where the Sisters of Eve got their name. the researchers thought that the Eve Gate was actually creating the wormhole, though there's no way to know if they were right.
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I'm unsure as to whether they can be picked up with probes but as far as i'm aware there are a few people who still have bookmarks to them from using old scanning methouds with the ingame scanner. They're off and around planet one.
If they're out there, I'll find em!
Also, would you happen to know where there are any systems with remains of the ancient earth stargates?
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I was never very convinced about that. The people the Jove are at war are masters at genetic engineering far beyond the Joves level of technology. I think during the war a bio weapon was used on the Jove. The war is the reason the Jove space is shut and they keep away from us.
This one is from Pottsey, I just decided to save some space hehe..
This assessment doesn't jive with the established and published stories regarding the origins of the Jove. According to the official fiction, the Jove became so good at genetic engineering that they started to change their very nature. They did things like remove the sexual drive from their genetic makeup. They also removed aggression. The stories state that they started to implant artificial desires, but it doesn't get specific.
The Jovian disease is a result of this level of genetic engineering. The disease makes the person simply not care about anything, and they don't bother to do things like eat or sleep. They just sit there and die. Actually, if you've seen the movie Serenity, it's quite similar to the Miranda incident.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.15 06:44:00 -
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i dont think the EVE Wormhole was in the Sol System, just infering off the opening movie we had Stargate Tech for awhile here in the Milky Way and that it was pretty much getting full here in our galaxy. the wormhole was a method seen as letting off some pressure.
my question is, does the Milky Way still have anyone and if so how advanced. if the implosion effected both sides we would probally be about equal. if it was just this side then earth could kick even the jovian asses.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
I read all about the Gallente/Caldari war and their exodus to New Caldari. My question was not so much about their leaving it, as it was about the system itself. I don't understand how VH-451 can be in the New Eden galaxy if it was discovered before the wormhole opened.
That's something I'm not sure on to be honest, and is a good questions. Perhaps the syatem in New Eden was named after that on the other side of the gate?
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
I discovered a story about people researching the New Eden system. They were able to get close enough to the wormhole to see a space station or gate at the center. Marked in huge letters on the station is the word "EVE". This is where the Sisters of Eve got their name. the researchers thought that the Eve Gate was actually creating the wormhole, though there's no way to know if they were right.
Is this on the official eve site, if so can you provide a link? It might just be my memory but I can't remember reading it. If it's not o the official site and claims to be part of Eve's prime fiction, i'd disregard it personally.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Also, would you happen to know where there are any systems with remains of the ancient earth stargates?
I'm unsure as to exactly what you mean by old earth stargates, As far as I'm aware there are non. Everything that exists in New Eden now is what was built after the collapse.
Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn
Originally by: Pottsey
I was never very convinced about that. The people the Jove are at war are masters at genetic engineering far beyond the Joves level of technology. I think during the war a bio weapon was used on the Jove. The war is the reason the Jove space is shut and they keep away from us.
This one is from Pottsey, I just decided to save some space hehe..
This assessment doesn't jive with the established and published stories regarding the origins of the Jove. According to the official fiction, the Jove became so good at genetic engineering that they started to change their very nature. They did things like remove the sexual drive from their genetic makeup. They also removed aggression. The stories state that they started to implant artificial desires, but it doesn't get specific.
The Jovian disease is a result of this level of genetic engineering. The disease makes the person simply not care about anything, and they don't bother to do things like eat or sleep. They just sit there and die. Actually, if you've seen the movie Serenity, it's quite similar to the Miranda incident.
I'd agree with you here, I highly doubt the Jove are at war with someone else.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:04:00 -
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The VH-451 system is the Luminaire System.
The ancestors of the Gallente and Caldari, were not calling themselves Gallenteans or Caldari. These names and the name of the star system evolved much later.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:19:00 -
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ôI'd agree with you here, I highly doubt the Jove are at war with someone else.ö
According to the back story they are at war with a race that knows far more about genetic engineering then them. Unless the war ended without us players knowing which I highly doubt, then they are still at war. The other race use sleeper agents that appear to be Jove but are not and they could well have introduced the bio plague as the fake Jove agents spread around.
The illness appears out of nowhere, with no pattern in perfectly healthy Jove. The way it spreads hints to me that itÆs a bio manmade illness. Even when the Healthy jove moved planets the plauge followed.
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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.15 22:53:00 -
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Is this on the official eve site, if so can you provide a link? It might just be my memory but I can't remember reading it. If it's not o the official site and claims to be part of Eve's prime fiction, i'd disregard it personally.
It was on the Eve-online site. Actually, I read it as part of that giant PDF file that contains a bunch of the official stories, but Deviana Sevidon found the HTML version.
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I'm unsure as to exactly what you mean by old earth stargates, As far as I'm aware there are non. Everything that exists in New Eden now is what was built after the collapse.
Well, there are stories about the Amarr discovering an old gate at the edge of their system and then discovering gate technology from that. I just wondered if maybe there are some old gates floating around.
Though I suppose it's possible that the old gates were removed, since stargates have to be constructed on specific points.
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The VH-451 system is the Luminaire System.
Assuming for a moment that they typoed the timeline (that being that the VH-451 system was colonized 700 years before the Eve Gate opened) How do you explain the discrepancy between the planets?
The timeline claims that they colonized planets 2 and 3, but in game their planets are 6 and 7.
I suppose it could be another typo. There's a lot about the VK-451 situation that doesn't add up quite right.
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According to the back story they are at war with a race that knows far more about genetic engineering then them. Unless the war ended without us players knowing which I highly doubt, then they are still at war. The other race use sleeper agents that appear to be Jove but are not and they could well have introduced the bio plague as the fake Jove agents spread around.
Where did you read this? I don't mean to sound skeptical, but this story would seem to directly contradict the official story.
I don't understand how the Jove could be infiltrated, as they appear quite different than normal humans.
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The illness appears out of nowhere, with no pattern in perfectly healthy Jove. The way it spreads hints to me that itÆs a bio manmade illness. Even when the Healthy jove moved planets the plauge followed.
the Jovian genetic disease is a result of their genetic experiments going too far. It is not a biological attack from another party. This is well-documented and described on the official site.
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i dont think the EVE Wormhole was in the Sol System, just infering off the opening movie we had Stargate Tech for awhile here in the Milky Way and that it was pretty much getting full here in our galaxy. the wormhole was a method seen as letting off some pressure.
Thankfully Youtube can help us solve the mystery. You're right, the intro specifically states that stargate technology existed before the wormhole opened, and that the wormhole was seen as a boon, since the Milky Way was getting crowded.
It also says "The battle raged until the historic discovery of a natural wormhole". I could have sworn I read something about it appearing on the "edge of our system". I will look into that.
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my question is, does the Milky Way still have anyone and if so how advanced. if the implosion effected both sides we would probally be about equal. if it was just this side then earth could kick even the jovian asses.
There's no way to know, but anything is possible. One of the discrepancies I have found is the cataclysmic effect of the gate explosion. It messed up the New Eden system, no doubt about it.. but did the explosion somehow reach into other solar systems?
It was my understanding that the main devastation from the eve gate was caused by lack of supplies being brought through.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.16 06:29:00 -
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Yes, I think the timeline is messed up and also the info about the first and second planet is wrong.
So the colonization of VH-451 does indeed belong in the timeline, after the wormhole opens and the description should be changed.
Maybe one the Developers who read this area of the for forums, can clarify things for us?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.16 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/05/2008 06:52:57
ôWhere did you read this? I don't mean to sound skeptical, but this story would seem to directly contradict the official story. ô
A mix of story in game and http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/
It doesnÆt directly contradict the official story.
ôI don't understand how the Jove could be infiltrated, as they appear quite different than normal humans.ö
The other race is more advance then the Jove and has much better genetic engineering skills then the Jove. They use sleeper agents that are grown to look like the member of the target race, implant false memories and according to the Jove impossible to detect. The Jove said them self they cannot detect the sleeper agents till itÆs to late.
ôBut one fateful moment in their history made them lose this control for a few generationsö
What do you think caused that? Could it be the war they are in? When you consider there enemy has the ability, skills and tech to pull this off itÆs a possibility.
Read all the background on the Jove its clear they donÆt fully understand why the disease came about or how it spreads. Read the one about the large Titan/Mothership that they used to abandon whole planets to escape the disease. ItÆs clear the disease came back out of nowhere after they got rid of all infected Jove. Just like a bio weapon from a hidden agent. Once infected the disease kills within weeks max mostly sooner. Yet it keeps coming back in healthy Jove.
The devs have said more than once not everything is as it seems with the story. Once you start digging around there are a lot of things between the lines.
ôthe Jovian genetic disease is a result of their genetic experiments going too farö
Genetic Experiments caused by sleeper agents that look like Jove perhaps? I am not saying it is 100% a bio weapon just that there is evidence there is a bio weapon and I strongly believe it.
The page you refer to is over 5 years old the devs wouldnÆt want to show everything 5 years ago. The story has hidden parts planed that are starting to show light. There is no mention of the Yan Jung empire on the website yet they are at and past T2 level.
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Klaitu BenJohhn
Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.16 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Klaitu BenJohhn on 16/05/2008 21:41:22
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A mix of story in game and http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/
It doesnÆt directly contradict the official story.
There's story in-game that isn't also listed on the site? If so, where is it?
I have not yet read the novellas, as the ones I have read are poorly written and a chore to slog through.
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ôBut one fateful moment in their history made them lose this control for a few generationsö
What do you think caused that? Could it be the war they are in? When you consider there enemy has the ability, skills and tech to pull this off itÆs a possibility.
This is not stated in the theocracy novella. Do you have another source for this assertion?
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The devs have said more than once not everything is as it seems with the story. Once you start digging around there are a lot of things between the lines.
I'm not looking for speculation at this point. I am trying to piece together the setting of Eve based on "what is known".
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Genetic Experiments caused by sleeper agents that look like Jove perhaps? I am not saying it is 100% a bio weapon just that there is evidence there is a bio weapon and I strongly believe it.
Again, this is all speculation. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but it's immaterial to me at this point.
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The page you refer to is over 5 years old the devs wouldnÆt want to show everything 5 years ago.
True, but their subsequent fiction should not contradict their older works. The genetic disease being a bio weapon used to attack them would contradict their previous story where the Jovians were arrogant and created their own demise.
Maybe this new race tricked them into doing it. Maybe they even encouraged the Jovians to do it. Maybe the Jovians eradicated the disease, and "the order" reintroduced it to the population. Maybe they modified the disease so that the Jovians couldn't cure it. Many things could have happened, but all of those things are speculation.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.17 10:37:00 -
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ôThere's story in-game that isn't also listed on the site? If so, where is it?ö
No direct reference in game. Just stuff inbetween the lines. I am pretty convinced the 4 empires that vanished are linked to the Enheduanni along with certain older chronicles about people who play puppet master.
ôThis is not stated in the theodicy novella. Do you have another source for this assertion?ö
The source is me, itÆs my theory based on what I know. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344 I never said it was fact just that it explains a lot of stuff. The Enheduanni answer your question on why the Jovians are xenophobic. The Enheduanni are the reason the Jove shut the gates and pulled out of empire.
ôTrue, but their subsequent fiction should not contradict their older works. The genetic disease being a bio weapon used to attack them would contradict their previous story where the Jovians were arrogant and created their own demise.ö
No it doesnÆt contradict the older work, its fits in perfectly. If you read the storeys about the disease and the Jove using motherships/Titans to move populations of healthy Jove itÆs very clear they are not sure where the disease came from or why. After the healthy Jove abandoned the ill ones, the healthy Jove on planets with no sighs of sick Jove got sick.
Basically the illness isnÆt moving about like a genetic disease. The way itÆs spreading can only be spread by a 3rd party intelligent being.
ôMaybe the Jovians made up the Enheduanni to scare the other races, or to cover up their own actions. Personally, that's the speculation that I prefer.ö
If that true the Jove are far more advance then most people think and I do mean way more advance. The Enheduanni have done a number of things far beyond the Jove known ability. Not only that, it means the Jove set up ambush/events to kill Jove for no apparent reason. The Enheduanni casued a lot of Jove to die and a lot of Jove ships to be blown up. If the Enheduanni are Jove why would the Jove kill countless Jove people and ships?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 17/05/2008 11:14:23
ôPersonally, that's the speculation that I preferö
How about this.
Basically these are the facts
The Jove had extremely stick rules on genetic engineering rigorously backed up by strict governmental control this goes on for a long time and stops and genetic engineering problems.
The Enheduanni show up (might have been around before, oldest reference to them is around the 2nd Jove empire). The Enheduanni have unlocked the precise workings of the huma/Jove brain and have genetic engineering skills far beyond the Jove. The Enheduanni Sleeper agents are born as adults, from cloning vats with complete memories of fabricated backgrounds and accompanying identification with the empire they are created for. ôThese agents have yet to failö Quoted form Grious a Jove
The Jove and Enheduanni are at war (2nd Jove Empire)
The Jove 2nd empire suddenly drops all strict governmental control genetic engineering. A mysterious epidemic as it was called leads me to believe the Jove donÆt really know where it came from or what caused it. ôone fateful moment in their history made them lose this control for a few generations, and the results were catastrophic.ö
ôThe one thing they know is itÆs genetic in nature and only targets Jove. ôreproductive straightjacket, preventing them from increasing their numbers sufficiently for their current empire to flourish.öö
Jove empire collapsed and they abandon there home world and many planets. 3rd Jove Empire made up north away from sick Jove and only healthy Jove are on the planets. EveryoneÆs ok for a while then the same mysterious epidemic pops up again even though they now have stick rules on genetic engineering. Healthy Jove get infected and die in days or weeks max.
Now the theory.
A race with the ability to cause a bio weapon that only targets Jove and makes the weapon appears to come from the Jove goes to war with the Jove. The race has been known to use sleeper agents to cause wars and infiltrate as high ranking government people just as they did with the Gallante. The Jove during the war suddenly get ill just as they are at war with a race that is could use a weapon like this.
Now there is not enough to say 100% that it was a bio weapon. But everything is in place for it to be a bio weapon.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.05.21 03:11:00 -
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Some clarifications on what I remember reading, though I don't have the time to go through and figure out where I read them...
The wormhole to New Eden opened/was discovered and people started going through it. The EVE Gate was later built around the wormhole to keep it stable, since (as we learned from Star Trek) natural wormholes are unstable at best. Eventually the EVE Gate collapsed and took out most of civilization with it.
The Jove were originally situated in the Curse region, which is the furthest point from the EVE Gate that someone had settled. They were thus spared the brunt of the destruction. And, for other reasons not revealed, they were better equipped to handle the fall of civilization. This is probably due to their genetic engineering, which probably was already occurring back then. But even they had some regression. I think the Jove were originally based in the Utopia system. They moved from there a long time ago, to escape the Jovian disease, but that was obviously a failure.
I can only imagine that the VH-451 thing on the Gallente timeline is a mistake, as they arrived there 700 years before the opening of the EVE Gate. Similarly, I assume the planet number is improperly given too.
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