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Peacewise
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:02:00 -
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I'm slightly confused, and rather upset. I just got around to getting the financial status and and what not to start a corp, with two people already ready to help me out. So I buy the skill and train it to level 1. Then I go to the Corporation window and get ready to create a new corp. I go through all the steps and a number of different combinations for ticker names before I finally manage to get one that works. I click the "create corp" button and all is well. Except my wallet. I've got a budding mining operation going on and I figured myself to be fairly well off financially considering I'm a fairly new character. After creating the corp I find that the balance in my wallet has dropped from 2,900,000 ISK to 1,100,000 ISK. It dropped by 1.8 million! I thought "if this is what it takes to run a corporation, I should have waited". Then later, I'm looking the eve-online faq under corporations and it says that it costs generally 160,000 ISK to start a corp and that it varies from region to region. 10 times that price is a hell of a lot of variance.
So what I'm asking, is if this is supposed to happen, or if I've just managed to have all of my money miraculously dissapear on me, and of there is any way to reconcile this. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:18:00 -
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there was a comment made about it some patchesa go. Some one sitting on the DEV throne though it would stop pointless alt corps from forming and limit those people who declare solo wars and jump ship to another corp when they get bored of having to fight.
It does nothing of course, some times I randomly play around with corp creation just cuz its fun...if they made it like 10m+ that still wouldn't stop alt corps, just slow them down.
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Left
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:20:00 -
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I am logging into the game right now to send you 2 mil
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Peacewise
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:37:00 -
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Thank you
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Left
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Posted - 2004.04.30 04:44:00 -
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np
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Jaydom
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Posted - 2004.04.30 05:50:00 -
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Awww how sweet.
Good luck with your corp Peacewise.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:14:00 -
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Can I have 2 mil?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:23:00 -
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It should be like 20 mil IMO.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:37:00 -
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People buy named Missile launchers, that they will probably lose (and could probably go get themselves for free), for 15,000,000 on escrow. I don't see how 1.9 mil to start a corp is an outrageous ammount.
Of course if you are new then I can see that it might be, but then maybe you should have waited.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.04.30 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Left I am logging into the game right now to send you 2 mil
Wow. Is this all I have to do to make money?? -
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Sharlot Thomas
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Posted - 2004.04.30 08:43:00 -
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As a "noob" coming here from Earth and Beyond in hopes to continue leading our guild Royal Guard, I can relate to the required isk. Its not just the outlay of 1.5 mill and the 10k office space (not that easy to find when your a noob). But also buying all the skills you will want as a Corprate CEO. It dose get expensive. I would estimate that I have invested 10 million isk. This also includes a corprate Industreal ship parked in the company hanger and the needed skills to pilot it and my Cruiser. What I would like to are links to understanding how to manage a company, for example: setting a tax rate and how it gets applied or stocks and divivens. These are what running a corperation is about.... Making Money. You have to spend to make, weither its money or your time, all are worthy investments when you seek a greater return.
Sharlot M. Thomas Fonder and CEO Royal Guard Consolidated www.theroyalguard.com
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.04.30 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sharlot Thomas
What I would like to are links to understanding how to manage a company, for example: setting a tax rate and how it gets applied or stocks and divivens. These are what running a corperation is about.... Making Money. You have to spend to make, weither its money or your time, all are worthy investments when you seek a greater return.
Very good sentiments but if I was a new person I would not choose your corporation.
It is not that I would have that much of an issue of following a CEO with so little experience, in game. You can be an insightful, creative, leadership genius (Of course that would not be enough to make me comfortable with you in a senior role either).
What would trouble me most... for all the skills you've learned, for all the money you've spent... You don't know much about running a corporation. It is one thing to go into a situation and find out that things are not as they've been represented but to not have done much homework? I'd be troubled.
To answer: Taxes = Broken Don't Work
Stocks = Broken, Kind of Works
Dividends = Works Perfectly, Surprisingly
Sorry if the answer isn't more explicit but in truth I wouldn't want to accidently make you think that any business plan would be succesful with these things. Far from it.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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TOXIC WASTE
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Posted - 2004.04.30 11:12:00 -
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Rather harsh response Shar, reading Sharlot's reply, she's starting a new EVE corp with her ex E & B buddies.
Good luck in your new corp. Convo me if you have any questions, need help etc.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.04.30 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: TOXIC WASTE Rather harsh response Shar, reading Sharlot's reply, she's starting a new EVE corp with her ex E & B buddies.
/me blushes.
You are right. I wrote that pre-coffee and pre-cigarette. It was bit cranky wot?
Sharlot, feel free to contact me, in game or through the link in my sig, I'll be happy to share with you that angst of being a CEO with the tools that are available.
Not solely offered in apology but strongly influenced by the need to make one.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Sharlot Thomas
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Posted - 2004.04.30 11:42:00 -
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Thanks Toxic, I didn't say I wanted to use all those options Shar. What I guess I didnĘt make clear was that I would like to find links to explain them. The in game interface doesnĘt explain very well what they do. Running a company or a guild understandably requires leadership skills that are born from within. Though I may be new to the game realm of EVE, my interpersonal abilities do span many years of RPG and MMORPG including Traveller, Dead Lands, War Hammer, Cyber Punk, GURPS & UO/EQ/SWG/EnB/and now Eve. Basically I am searching for the functionality of interface to utilize its potential and be a more efficient CEO.. Time is money.
PS.. Yes Barbie liked GI Joe more then Ken.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.04.30 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sharlot Thomas
Running a company or a guild understandably requires leadership skills that are born from within.
Actually that is the biggest key to success, period. Experiment with the UI in some aspects but don't sweat it either. Failure to utilize the Corporation UI to it's fullest will likely have little to zero effect on your success.
Stocks are very limited. You can only issue them to corporate members. Stocks can not be returned, at this time. There is no way to set a price on stocks, since they aren't publicly traded that's moot, but you can issue dividends to stockholders.
And sorry... I was just being cranky earlier I guess. Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.30 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sharlot Thomas
What I would like to are links to understanding how to manage a company, for example: setting a tax rate and how it gets applied or stocks and divivens. These are what running a corperation is about.... Making Money. You have to spend to make, weither its money or your time, all are worthy investments when you seek a greater return.
Sharlot M. Thomas Fonder and CEO Royal Guard Consolidated www.theroyalguard.com
To be honest the *start* of making corporations work properly wont happen until the proposed changes in the next feature patch (SHIVA) come into play.
Until then we are all playing a waiting game for a high number of important and much needed changes such as multiple wallets divisions, changes to hangar security and can placements, changes to tax and lots of other stuff i forget.
Until then weve got tax set to zero and have ultra-strict segregation of hangars and wallet access etc etc. Stocks and Shares - simply dont exist worth spit and dont issue any shares atm as you can never get them back. Its all due for reworking down the line.
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George Patton
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Posted - 2004.05.01 23:00:00 -
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I'm experiencing the same issue right now. 4 guys and I that just came over from WWII Online are trying to save up for incorporation. 1.5 Million comes slowly at 20k a time.
Cheers! George Patton Former 84th ARG.
Vice President in Charge
XONE trading company
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.05.01 23:59:00 -
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It should cost 10M at least, now there's new corporations started every day by bored alliance people who wants a little outlet they can transfer over into to go kill people in empire space without it reflecting back upon their parent corporation, this for the laughable sum of 1.8M.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.05.02 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 02/05/2004 02:57:41
Originally by: Danton Marcellus It should cost 10M at least, now there's new corporations started every day by bored alliance people who wants a little outlet they can transfer over into to go kill people in empire space without it reflecting back upon their parent corporation, this for the laughable sum of 1.8M.
Funny thing is - Weirda was ganked by some of these clowns the other day - and it took 2 sec to see where they transfered from... how long ago... and all that... Might as well just have saved they isk and killed under their 'real' guild tag... iwho...
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.05.02 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus It should cost 10M at least, now there's new corporations started every day by bored alliance people who wants a little outlet they can transfer over into to go kill people in empire space without it reflecting back upon their parent corporation, this for the laughable sum of 1.8M.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.05.02 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda Edited by: Weirda on 02/05/2004 02:57:41
Originally by: Danton Marcellus It should cost 10M at least, now there's new corporations started every day by bored alliance people who wants a little outlet they can transfer over into to go kill people in empire space without it reflecting back upon their parent corporation, this for the laughable sum of 1.8M.
Funny thing is - Weirda was ganked by some of these clowns the other day - and it took 2 sec to see where they transfered from... how long ago... and all that... Might as well just have saved they isk and killed under their 'real' guild tag... iwho...
You don't seem to understand.
People don't care that their true corp can be tracked down. They only want the ability to declare a war in empire space without exposing their corp's day-to-day operations (mining, commerce, etc.) It also means they don't have to waste a war slot.
It's sad that the price is so expensive for new players, but unfortunately the formerly cheap prices were abused so badly that something had to be done. :( ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.05.02 05:47:00 -
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Yeah, we know C4 and Carbide Industries are behind our current shall we say discomfort but it doesn't seem to bother them any that their members jump in and out of tag every other day.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.05.02 06:01:00 -
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Speaking as somebody who has been on the end of these dodgy alt corps I know how frustrating it can be. High corp creation fees are not the answer, 1.5 million is nothing to the people who are abusing the corp system even 10 million is peanuts. All these higher fees are doing is hurting the newer players.
I wish there was an easy answer but I cannot see one other than a hands on aproach from DM's who I am sure have enough to do as it is.
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