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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grendelsbane on 15/05/2008 07:21:52
It's not *quite* that EVE carebears want to play EVE like a single player game.. that's really one of the symptoms. The defining element of the EVE carebear is that they look to external solutions to keep them "safe" because they are unwilling to do it themselves. It really doesn't have much to do with being "good" or "evil".
These pilots flat out refuse to do anything not immediately entertaining unless there is a lot of (easy) ISK in it for them - they make poor pilots in combat because they can't sit on a gatecamp or travel multiple jumps without whining up a storm.
These are the guys who simply refuse to take common sense precautions in their normal operations; they are constantly demanding that things be nerfed, game mechanics be changed, etc, so that they can make more ISK or LP with less effort and risk. They are often woefully ignorant of the EVE universe outside hi-sec space and therefore do not have the faintest idea what they are really asking for.
Not all miners, industrialists, or mission runners are carebears, by any means but those with the carebear mindset simply can't survive anywhere else. A frequent carebear whine is "if you didn't have us, who would mine and make you things!" Answer? The responsible adults who aren't too proud to do something mundane or boring or nonprofitable, for the benefit of their corp, that's who.
Face it, just like real life, there are always going to be people who cannot be responsible, cannot make difficult decisions under pressure, and who must blame their problems on someone else. Carebears in EVE are, basically, sheep.
That said, if they want to fly in EVE, fine. There is no rule that says the have to fly with ME.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:06:00 -
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i had someone just randomly give me a mach, and a bhaal. very nice person. he deleted his account for some reason couple months after tho :(
 Originally by: Darla Dawson
Quit, and go play wow
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Rimhawk
Caldari
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
EON titled me King of Carebears, wonder what that means...
Easy, never saw MIB? One of these days you are going to open a locker door somewhere and inside will be a bunch of carebear dolls going 'All Hail Chribba! All Hail Chribba! All Hail Chribba!'
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Spartus Raile
Gallente
Grey Ghost Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
First off EVE is PvP centric where most other MMOs are mostly PvE
Haha, thats funny because I thought me and the thousands of miners/industrialists in empire were all about PvE 
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Spartus Raile
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
First off EVE is PvP centric where most other MMOs are mostly PvE
Haha, thats funny because I thought me and the thousands of miners/industrialists in empire were all about PvE
essentially you and the thousands of miners/industrials are actually the backbone of the whole pvp system.
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: quickshot89 on 15/05/2008 12:03:38
no miners no ore/minerals, no minerals no ammo or ships or modules, no ships, modules or ammo no pvp or pve
so please, explain why a person who just wants to earn isk for a while by mining is a bad thing?
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AppleBanana
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:13:00 -
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Calling people carebears is so stupid.
High sec corps that war deck mining corps call those miners carebears. Low sec pirates call the high sec wardeck pirates carebears since they wont leave high sec. 0.0 alliances call lowsec pirates carebears since they wont leave empire space. 0.0 alliances get called carebears since they mine high end ores lol.
Seriously everyone in this game has some carebear deep inside their heart.
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Timaios
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Grendelsbane
words
Lots of truth in those words.
What it boils down to is this: Carebear is someone who is only interested in their own entertainment/advancement.
A carebear is someone who gets angry in Civilization when an enemy civilization attacks them before they have built all the improvements in all their cities and massed an unstoppable armada of the best units in the game.
A carebear is someone who gets killed while flying a hauler in an empire war and then complains why the PVPers weren't there protecting him.
A carebear gets blown up by pirates while gleefully ratting and then blames the entire alliance for not being there to save him.
A carebear can be happily ratting or mining in his Nyx while the rest of the alliance are desperately trying to fend off an assault against their stations.
A carebear gets up in arms when someone else is selling goods in his outpost, undercutting his prices - he was there first, you see.
A carebear is the pilot who says that you can't rat while he is in system because he's reserved all the belts.
A carebear does not understand why people are angry at him because he sells his goods in a 0.0 outpost at 300% markup. After all, it's he who spent much of his valuable time getting the goods there in the first place. Neither does he understand why he should sell goods cheaper to his corpmates.
Carebear will not understand why the alliance can't put up a POs for him to build his mothership/titan in their sov 4 system.
A carebear will have hard time understanding why he should join for corp or alliance operations. He utterly despises all the limitations people place on his precious gaming experience and does not understand how someone dares to prohibit him from posting on COAD.
The carebear will be up in arms, blaming CCP, exploits and unfair game mechanics when things don't go his way.
A carebear will never ever adapt or change his habits unless it benefits him immediately/directly. He will not fly anything he can afford to lose. He will not make several trips in his freighter to be less prone to suicide ganks. He will not tank his hauler or not fly AFK. He will always want maximum profits/effectiveness and others should move away or change their ways for him to have his way.
The carebear detests chance-based events and despises any advantages given by efficient teamwork. He does not understand why he, too, can't have a large T2 BPO portfolio. (And if he did, he doesn't want anyone competing with him on the market.)
In carebears eyes, everything he touches or even remotely interacts with is his property by god-given right. Any asteroids he touches are his by definition. Salvage in missions or belts must be his. Exploration sites he's probing for are his, even if someone else found them first. Game rules need to be changed to match his perception of justice and fairness.
A bleeding heart carebear brings his RL ethics along him as a ballast. He feels that anyone shooting at him is a 14-year old CS scriptkiddie. Anyone seeing things differently than him is a stupid fool and he should see error of his ways and become like him.
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Faife
Noctiscion
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.15 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Timaios
well written nicely formated text
i agree and all, i just wish the word was different and carebear could still be used for "people who help newbies".
it's alright, i'm just being old since that's no longer the usage in any MMO apparently.
cheers.
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Timaios
The carebear will be up in arms, blaming CCP, exploits and unfair game mechanics when things don't go his way.
This is what pirates do when carebears that actually visits low-sec docks or do a logoffski when a pirate enters the system, instead of being blown up.
And when carebears stop coming to low-sec because the risk has become much greater than the rewards, what do pirates do? Well, they come crying to forums and makes posts named "Carebears are having it too easy". Not too mention "Move all ice to low-sec"-topic. And the "creative" suggestion that there shall be no lvl 4 missions in high-sec.
Man, those pirates are such whiners..
Stop being such babies and grow up? Carebears adapted by not coming to low-sec and are fine with it. I am sure pirates can adapt too.
Oh, and try to find a carebear that doesnŠt own a shuttle or industrial ship that he can afford to lose.  Problem is just that you canŠt do many missions with such ships.
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Timaios
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.15 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Forge
Originally by: Timaios
The carebear will be up in arms, blaming CCP, exploits and unfair game mechanics when things don't go his way.
This is what pirates do when carebears that actually visits low-sec docks or do a logoffski when a pirate enters the system, instead of being blown up.
And when carebears stop coming to low-sec because the risk has become much greater than the rewards, what do pirates do? Well, they come crying to forums and makes posts named "Carebears are having it too easy". Not too mention "Move all ice to low-sec"-topic. And the "creative" suggestion that there shall be no lvl 4 missions in high-sec.
Man, those pirates are such whiners..
Stop being such babies and grow up? Carebears adapted by not coming to low-sec and are fine with it. I am sure pirates can adapt too.
Sorry, perhaps you misunderstood my post. The example you posted is portrays carebear attitude extremely well. Unfortunately I did not add any PVP examples into my earlier post, sorry about that.
Carebearism is an related to attitude, not activity. A pirate can be a carebear as well but many often mistake pirates avoiding "fair" fights and minimizing risk as carebears too; that is not that at all, just as nobody is a carebear because he doesn't gimp his mission-running raven setup just to have the NPCs have "fair" chance of shooting his ship to pieces.
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Nielas
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Posted - 2008.05.15 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Timaios
Originally by: Grendelsbane
words
Lots of truth in those words.
What it boils down to is this: Carebear is someone who is only interested in their own entertainment/advancement.
A carebear is someone who gets angry in Civilization when an enemy civilization attacks them before they have built all the improvements in all their cities and massed an unstoppable armada of the best units in the game.
A carebear is someone who gets killed while flying a hauler in an empire war and then complains why the PVPers weren't there protecting him.
A carebear gets blown up by pirates while gleefully ratting and then blames the entire alliance for not being there to save him.
A carebear can be happily ratting or mining in his Nyx while the rest of the alliance are desperately trying to fend off an assault against their stations.
A carebear gets up in arms when someone else is selling goods in his outpost, undercutting his prices - he was there first, you see.
A carebear is the pilot who says that you can't rat while he is in system because he's reserved all the belts.
A carebear does not understand why people are angry at him because he sells his goods in a 0.0 outpost at 300% markup. After all, it's he who spent much of his valuable time getting the goods there in the first place. Neither does he understand why he should sell goods cheaper to his corpmates.
Carebear will not understand why the alliance can't put up a POs for him to build his mothership/titan in their sov 4 system.
A carebear will have hard time understanding why he should join for corp or alliance operations. He utterly despises all the limitations people place on his precious gaming experience and does not understand how someone dares to prohibit him from posting on COAD.
The carebear will be up in arms, blaming CCP, exploits and unfair game mechanics when things don't go his way.
A carebear will never ever adapt or change his habits unless it benefits him immediately/directly. He will not fly anything he can afford to lose. He will not make several trips in his freighter to be less prone to suicide ganks. He will not tank his hauler or not fly AFK. He will always want maximum profits/effectiveness and others should move away or change their ways for him to have his way.
The carebear detests chance-based events and despises any advantages given by efficient teamwork. He does not understand why he, too, can't have a large T2 BPO portfolio. (And if he did, he doesn't want anyone competing with him on the market.)
In carebears eyes, everything he touches or even remotely interacts with is his property by god-given right. Any asteroids he touches are his by definition. Salvage in missions or belts must be his. Exploration sites he's probing for are his, even if someone else found them first. Game rules need to be changed to match his perception of justice and fairness.
A bleeding heart carebear brings his RL ethics along him as a ballast. He feels that anyone shooting at him is a 14-year old CS scriptkiddie. Anyone seeing things differently than him is a stupid fool and he should see error of his ways and become like him.
I would probably characterize that type of person as a 'self-rightous whiner with an entitlement complex' rather than 'carebear'. Most people when talking about 'carebears' will not use that narrow a definition.
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MIah StarLight
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: MIah StarLight on 15/05/2008 19:25:14
LOL I am a self proclaimed Carebear. Don't care much for PVP (I like more Space Fighter Sim style games or MMOFPS/FPS pvp even if I total sucked at it and died 99% of the time with out a kill), preferring to pop rats and build crap.
Never been good at pvp in eve and avoid it when ever possible.
While I avoid PVP at all cost I don't mind it, and I don't mind supporting it (always liked support roles, Sniper, combat engineer, Medic, spy, Hauling, Ship builder, etc). If people want to blow each to bits and think it's fun by all means do so. I'll run like the little Carebear I am. I'll get **** after I die (a lot, I generally use ships I can replace easily ), Fume about it for days or weeks to come, go play something else for a little while if I'm really in bad mood (usually a FPS), then come back for more, all the while building new ships that probably someone someday will use to pop me with.
...okay so I'm a Carebear and a massicast.
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