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Mernor Akat
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Posted - 2008.05.14 21:37:00 -
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Lets say a pod pilot was on a station relaxing and doing whatever. Someone comes over and shoots him to death. IIRC, you have to be in your pod for your mind to be scanned and sent to your clone, so would the pilot die permanently?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Mernor Akat
Lets say a pod pilot was on a station relaxing and doing whatever. Someone comes over and shoots him to death. IIRC, you have to be in your pod for your mind to be scanned and sent to your clone, so would the pilot die permanently?
Theoretically yes, but some of the fiction talks about smaller and more reliable mind transference technology outside of the pod, so while it's currently unlikely that a pod pilot will survive such an attack, that's not a guarantee for the future.
In any case, unless you destroy the brain during your attack, brain death will take a little while after body death, so there's still a window of opportunity for the medics to get the mind out with relatively little damage.
However I'm quite sure that pod pilots are justifiably wary/paranoid about this sort of occurrence, so suitable security measures are bound to be in place in pod pilot frequented locations.
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Silver Night
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.15 05:33:00 -
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If I recall there is a method of periodic backup available to the fabulously wealthy. Pod pilots are fabulously wealthy. so I'd say most probably have that just in case.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.15 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 15/05/2008 09:47:48
"Lets say a pod pilot was on a station relaxing and doing whatever. Someone comes over and shoots him to death."
Eon has stories like this. One lady shot a pod pilot in a starbase and he cloned normally. Tech has moved on, you no longer destroy a mind in cloning and you don need a pod.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 15/05/2008 09:47:48
"Lets say a pod pilot was on a station relaxing and doing whatever. Someone comes over and shoots him to death."
Eon has stories like this. One lady shot a pod pilot in a starbase and he cloned normally. Tech has moved on, you no longer destroy a mind in cloning and you don need a pod.
Incorrect.
As Silver Night said, there are apparently "backup" prcedures for people who are rich and famous, those who can't use a capsule whereby a mind scan is taken (over a longer period than what a capsule takes).
The mindscan can be downloaded into a fresh clone if death occurs. The only loss is the loss of memory from the point of the mind scan up to the point of death.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:45:00 -
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Still I wonder how Jump Clones fit into this.
I mean I can switch from a body and brain full of cybernetic implants into a fresh body and jump back a day later without problem.
The body from which I jumped remain intact because the implants are also still in place. This goes of course to some degree against the backstory, where a burning scan always destroys the brain it scans.
Maybe there is new kind of medical nano-technology that works like a more advanced version of armor and module repairing nanites.
These medical nanites repair and reconstruct neural tissue at the same time the burning scan destroys it, effectivly tanking the scanner and preserving the brain, while the scan can still collect all data to backup the pilots personality.
I admit that I borrowed the idea from chasm city, where a burning scan could be used to backup a brain, similar what is done in EVE.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Still I wonder how Jump Clones fit into this.
The body from which I jumped remain intact because the implants are also still in place. This goes of course to some degree against the backstory, where a burning scan always destroys the brain it scans.
It's been theorised that the burning procedure is literally that - an extremely exothermic process which causes severe damage to the brain.
Jump clones use the same sort of burning procedure except at a much slower process, with possible cryogenic techniques in place, both to mitigate the heat production of the burning and to enable storage of the clone body.
As a plus side, the low brain temperature will reduce neural activity, helping prevent any damage done by the burning procedure.
Since obviously this process will be extremely slow, requiring constant monitoring by trained medical personnel, it won't be suitable for high stress environments, like in a pod while under fire where the far quicker (and more destructive) burning procedure is in place.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.15 18:11:00 -
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Eh, we can't even leave our pods actually.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Eh, we can't even leave our pods actually.
I guess you haven't heard of Ambulation then?
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hanneshannes on 15/05/2008 20:10:53
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 15/05/2008 20:09:54
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Whatever its real causes, the fact remained û the capsule and the clone were now inextricably joined, the legislative mandate consolidating their bond. Thus was born the PC pilot.
Last page of that article, very last paragraph.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 15/05/2008 20:10:53
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 15/05/2008 20:09:54
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Whatever its real causes, the fact remained – the capsule and the clone were now inextricably joined, the legislative mandate consolidating their bond. Thus was born the PC pilot.
Last page of that article, very last paragraph.
Yes. The clone in your medical station now is earmarked for your specific pod and cannot be used in any other way.
The dormant clone is bound to the pod, not the pilot. Some pod pilots haven't even been cloned once.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.15 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
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Whatever its real causes, the fact remained û the capsule and the clone were now inextricably joined, the legislative mandate consolidating their bond. Thus was born the PC pilot.
Last page of that article, very last paragraph.
I believe that was intended to be more of a figurative bond, rather than a literal one. 
There's a number of Chronicles that shows pilots leaving and working outside of the pod:
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Kudon Astraisx
Minmatar
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Eh, we can't even leave our pods actually.
Citation for that?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.16 06:21:00 -
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Whatever its real causes, the fact remained û the capsule and the clone were now inextricably joined, the legislative mandate consolidating their bond. Thus was born the PC pilot.
He is refering to this line. But if you read fully read the Article about the Capsule and the clone, then it is clear that this is meant figurativly. The Cloning Technology and the Capsule benefit from each other and are closely linked to each other.
There is also the chronicle waking up in a station. Linkage
Forsaken Ruins also mentions pilots leaving their pod if they wish to.
There is no reasons, why pilots cannot leave their pod. Provided there is a shower to remove the pod-goo.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.16 07:37:00 -
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i bet your clone station keeps a file of your last transmission. there might even be backup stations that can safely do a "backup" of the mind for such an event. the flash scanner in the pod is the only one we know that causes brain damage, id imagine if here in the 21st century since we have the basic ability to see what the brain is doing that 30k years from now you could goto a clinic and get a clone quality brain scan and it would be stored on a computer. then if you get shanked in a seedy bar on Z deck in a mining station the medics just radio in the right info and bam they restore you to clone from tape.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:03:00 -
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IIRC, One Man Too Many first mentioned jump cloning, and the use of non-fatal brain scanning. My impression has always been that the burning scanner "burns" due to the rapidity of the scan. An ordinary "slow" scanner would leave the scanned brain unharmed.
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