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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:40:00 -
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So what your saying is, you don't want to face the consequences of your actions....
m'kay
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Shagrath Neptune
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:55:00 -
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The way I see it, the OPer and others like him {which include me} have a few options.
1) Don't fly expensive mission running ships for missions. I do well with a T2 fitted Abaddon. I know that people who saved up to buy a Faction ship or trained a long time for a Marauder aren't going to like this advice but lvl 4s can be done quickly in ordinary Ravens and other BS once you have good skills.
2) Fly the expensive mission ship and roll the dice. You will have NCPs protecting you some if you fly in your faction's space so it will probably take a few guys at least to gank you. If you are flying a Faction ship for missions, you are going to be a target eventually anyway.
3) Train up an alt to play FW.
4) Train up an alt to carebear and use your main for FW.
5) Don't join FW at all and keep making isk safely. {yawn}
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Shiyama
The Free Haven Group
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Posted - 2008.05.18 09:57:00 -
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I can see a lot of the wealthier players in EVE might just get a second account paid for with ISK and train that up for FW. You can pay for it all with ISK and not risk your Officer fitted CNR.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:41:00 -
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I think you guys are missing a key point. this is Faction W A R.
WAR. Not playing a friendly game of squash on the second saturday of the month, but WAR.
If you do not want to adapt how you mine/trade/haul/mission then please just stay out of factional WAR. If you don't want to risk your carebear machine, then don't use it while you are in WAR.
Factional WAR is mimicing 0.0 and low sec in that your assets can be attacked at any time and stations you base out of can be overrun. But unlike 0.0, in Faction WAR the amount of people that can shoot you is far, far, far fewer.
Remember, Factional WAR is NOT meant to get carebears out of high sec. It is meant to give future 0.0 corps/alliances a stepping stone. Low sec has no real goals and living there doesn't require a lot of coordination or planning or working together. The Factional WAR system will give new corps the sandbox to sharpen their skills instead of selling their souls to an alliance or getting steam rolled by 0.0 powerhouses.
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Bertn Erney
The Fudge Packers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:46:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Le Skunk
All these bears want to have their cake and eat it
SKUNK
this tbo
gtfo if you wanna pvp in war mode only when it suits you and carebear in peace the rest of the time, its kind of the point to be open to it all the time.....
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Balen Organa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Balen Organa
Ok as a newer player I am not quite understanding this and in a way I am and its terrifying.
So if I claim for the Gallante Faction. I can now no longer go into Caldari space?
Basically instead of being "safer" in high sec space, since nowhere is really safe, now its pretty much open field, if a caldari faction member enters gallante space and I am a gall faction member, I'm screwed even though im in 1.0 space?
Dont like the sound of that.
So once I claim a faction, say Gallante, I've closed myself off to pretty much 60% of the eve online game world?
I'm not really sure that makes much sense. I havent even gotten the chance to explore other faction regions like Amarr, or Min, or those places.
So basically I can get a mission that takes me into another faction space and its a pretty good chance Ill get ganked...
Someone needs to explain this because as a new player I'm not really liking this.
well, think about it, you said that if YOU go into caldari space, you will be attacked correct? so if your in 1.0 space and a Caldari appears there that is against your faction (in this case the gallente) then all other players in the same system you are in will also be able to target that Caldari player, so if your at least kinda deep behind your factions lines, then you should be safe, because no person against your faction is gona be that far into space, also, you DO NOT have to pick a side, you can remain neutral in the conflict, so you will still be able to do missions, and go into another faction's space and not be a war target; and another thing, if you sign up for a faction, you are pretty much telling them, ok, lets go kill some Caldari scum, and you will also be able to kill other targets, just at a price, you will also be targeted, and it will be fair game, again you can remain neutral, hope that eases some of your tensions, lol
Well... then that makes more sense to me.
I have dealt with faction war before having played in guild wars and many others. I am glad one can remain nuetral.
Its not that I dont want to get in the fight, I just dont believe I have the knowledge or ability just yet. Ive only been here a few weeks. While some have been playing since launch. So given the option I would prolly remain nuetral for the time being, but that remains to be seen and depends on my progress in game.
I will probably get involved how much remains to be seen.
Thank you for explaining it.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan
Which then removes any point in killing them. Not a great idea to get people to want to do so.
See that thing flying swiftly over your head? That was the point.
The point is that navies will attack people in enemy militias. If you're in the Caldari militia and you go into Gallente space, the Gallente navy will attack you (along with any Gallente militia around).
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2008.05.20 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Senghir
So I listened to the dev blog, and I like the sound of all of it, sounds very exciting. These days I am more 'carebear' as I hated the "oh crap now I've lost my ship, that's my evening gone replacing parts and saving cash" part of pvp.
But the new patch is on it's way, and i'm thinking I like the sound of faction warfare.
So, I'm very prepared to fit out a cheap frigate/cruiser and go and have some fun. But I dont want to throw my 800mil Paladin into it.
But do I have a choice? Once I've joined my faction and had a days fun of pvp, amd I then totally screwed one saturday evening when I just want to run a mission to suddenly be jumped by four or five of the opposing faction to gank me?
This doesnt sound like fun all of a sudden.
I mean as it stands at the moment in low sec, you can fit out a cheap ship, take it down, have your pvp and then head back to high sec (or not if you get blown up). But you dont have to take your 500+mil ships into low sec. I get the impression with faction warfare that once you're in that faction, you're fair game wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
First off, PvP is generally not about haring off on your own into lowsec or otherwise. Flying alone is the fastest way to die.
Secondly, if you don't have another combat (real combat, missions don't count) ship ready to roll when you lose one, you're probably a carebear regardless of your chosen profession or activities. If you own an 800 million ISK ship and still don't have a spare, you are DEFINITELY a carebear.
Furthermore, if you haven't PvPed enough that you know to have a spare (or two or ten... I've had as many as 120 ships in my hangar, though admittedly 80+ of them were t1 frigs), then you are not at all ready to take any sort of expensive ship into combat.
Master frigates, move up to cruisers, etc. I have seen dozens of carebears enthusiastically jump into PvP for the first time in 1 billion ISK ships despite being told not to, get raped, then never try it again. Do not make the mistake of thinking that flying a ship class in missions means that you know how to fight or fit it in PvP.
That said, go kill some people.
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Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
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Posted - 2008.05.20 03:49:00 -
[39]
I repeat.... FW is D.O.A.
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Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
The new faction navies will be pretty tough so you should be fairly safe in your own faction's hisec space. Now you will get an extra adrenaline rush when you undock to go run your 100th damsel in distress mission.
the sarcasm leaking out of this post is the source of many lulz.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 20/05/2008 07:42:27
Sarcasm?
Sounds more like...condescension to me.
If, as I suspect (wild guess), the faction Police don't Warp Scramble and just sit at gates and don't pursue then frankly you'd be crazy to opt in to this as a missioner/miner/general empire bear for obvious reasons.
Time will tell, but I was stoked for a while till I began to consider all the possible ramifications. Mainly it all hinges on the behavior of the Faction Police as far as I'm concerned.
Of course, if they implemented the ability to call reinforcements in by costing LP or something then I'd be all over it. 
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Tradella
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:43:00 -
[42]
You know, in PVP on average 50% of the players lose. So if now with FW it is going to be even harder for them to make the money back (because of increased ganking even in high sec), how will that promote PVP?
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tradella
You know, in PVP on average 50% of the players lose. So if now with FW it is going to be even harder for them to make the money back (because of increased ganking even in high sec), how will that promote PVP?
I'm expecting that the behind-enemy-lines missions will have fairly high payouts, in order to make FW sustainable.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:54:00 -
[44]
Why not use your mission runner for earning isk and create a pvper to do your pvp, best of both worlds.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.20 08:11:00 -
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If they've implemented this right there might be few reasons to go back to mission running. If FW can cover the losses incurred (and there have been hints that it will in some way) then maybe missions will only be run by those wanting the corp standings or by loners (who probably won't do FW anyway).
With luck and good design FW can offer gang warfare to anyone that wants it any time they want it. In that case, given good enough rewards, who cares about missions?
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