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Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.05.16 13:39:00 - [1] I've seen it here and there that jovians are supposedly at war with an unknown entity/race. Is it just speculation or do we have chronicles/short stories/dev statements concerning the issue?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:28:00 - [2] They are at war with the Enheduanni who are a more advanced race. You can read about it at http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/ ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Klaitu BenJohhn Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Klaitu BenJohhn on 16/05/2008 21:48:19 the source of the information is the Theodicy novella, as linked above. The Jovians are not so much in a "insterstellar fleets-on-fleets lots-of-explosions" kind of war. They're more in a cloak and dagger cold war fought with spies. Like the Jovians, this new race was once human, but have genetically engineered themselves into something else. They have technology more advanced than the Jovians, including a linear teleport.. a device allowing them to travel wherever they want regardless of stargates. Their apparent role is to manipulate the empires into a form that they desire.
Grahv Exitus Minmatar Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.16 22:57:00 - [4] ILLUMINATI IN SPACE!!!!!!!
Niko medes Gallente T.E.C. Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 00:48:00 - [5] cant wait to engage one of those Edhedunni ships. [sorry for misspelling.] --------------------------------------
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:17:00 - [6] I do not think we will ever see Enheduanni Ships. According to the backstory the Enheduanni are fighting more of a shadow war of influence over the Empires with the Jovians, and the Jove lost, at least to a degree and retreated into their own space. When I re-read Theodicy a few days ago, I also noticed something interesting. During the story a Gallente senator, seemingly accidently created a situation that could have let to a war between Gallente and Amarr. When he and his ship is killed by the Amarr in the last second it is revealed that the senator was an Enheduanni sleeper agent. Quote: Senator Vale GarrettÆs last living act was opening his mouth to object. He, along with all three hundred and forty two crewmembers of the G.F.S. Venture, died within the next few seconds as the Imperial Navy executed the forged death mandate of Emperor Heideran. As his corpse was mutilated by the same forces that were tearing the cruiser apart, a tiny device embedded in the late SenatorÆs stomach detonated a split second before the VentureÆs reactor exploded. The tiny device is of the same type another Enheduanni agent used earlier in the story. Theodicy is also written by Tony Gonzales, who has written the Empyrean Age novel and it can be assumed that he is at least partially responsible for the background story of the next expansion. Now notice the fact that the Gallente Admiral Noir acted very strange. He was supposed to be a man who worked decades for peace between Gallente and Caldari and then, when the moment is he could cause the greatest damage, he makes a suicide attack on a caldari station. Killing Caldari and Gallente who were meating at the station and also dying in a way that makes it impossible to recover his own body. Hey call me crazynuts if you want, but I think I am on the right trail.
Klaitu BenJohhn Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.17 06:00:00 - [7] I dunno about the whole plotline. It seems like they leave it intentionally vague so that they can make up stuff later that seems like it should fit, but doesn't. I wouldnt be suprised if Admiral Rams-his-ship-into-stations turns out to be a sleeper agent. It would be a much more interesting story if he just happened to be a mean guy with a lot of rage.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Pottsey on 17/05/2008 10:02:27 ôcant wait to engage one of those Edhedunni ships.ö It would go something like this, Look an Enheduanni, oo my weapons are not working my life support just turned off, now my engine are ramming my friend who also cannot move. Thats if you could even find and see an Edhedunni ship. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Malcolm Gerhardt Gallente Arctic Fox Industries and Materials	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I do not think we will ever see Enheduanni Ships. According to the backstory the Enheduanni are fighting more of a shadow war of influence over the Empires with the Jovians, and the Jove lost, at least to a degree and retreated into their own space. When I re-read Theodicy a few days ago, I also noticed something interesting. During the story a Gallente senator, seemingly accidently created a situation that could have let to a war between Gallente and Amarr. When he and his ship is killed by the Amarr in the last second it is revealed that the senator was an Enheduanni sleeper agent. Quote: Senator Vale GarrettÆs last living act was opening his mouth to object. He, along with all three hundred and forty two crewmembers of the G.F.S. Venture, died within the next few seconds as the Imperial Navy executed the forged death mandate of Emperor Heideran. As his corpse was mutilated by the same forces that were tearing the cruiser apart, a tiny device embedded in the late SenatorÆs stomach detonated a split second before the VentureÆs reactor exploded. The tiny device is of the same type another Enheduanni agent used earlier in the story. Theodicy is also written by Tony Gonzales, who has written the Empyrean Age novel and it can be assumed that he is at least partially responsible for the background story of the next expansion. Now notice the fact that the Gallente Admiral Noir acted very strange. He was supposed to be a man who worked decades for peace between Gallente and Caldari and then, when the moment is he could cause the greatest damage, he makes a suicide attack on a caldari station. Killing Caldari and Gallente who were meating at the station and also dying in a way that makes it impossible to recover his own body. Hey call me crazynuts if you want, but I think I am on the right trail. ^------This. Keep your Head low, Your Mind high and Your Mouth Shut
Seetesh Caldari Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:47:00 - [10] Yup i really think they are involved in this factional warfare and the jove's can't help us.

Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:20:00 - [11] I'm thinking that Noir was an Enheduanni sleeper agent. They're back, and they plan to tear the empires apart. This time, however, they'll have to deal with the immortal capsuleers. How do you defeat a foe that, for all intents and purposes, cannot die? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Marine HK4861 Caldari Radical Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.18 21:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Nachshon This time, however, they'll have to deal with the immortal capsuleers. How do you defeat a foe that, for all intents and purposes, cannot die? Destroy the clone bodies first, then kill them. At best, the pod pilot will die permanently, at worst, they lose some memories (SP). Alternatively I'm sure the Enheduanni can invent some sort of jamming tech that prevents the clone information being transmitted when when you pop the pod, which would wipe the pilot out to his last transmitted copy. Inflicting memory loss on an immortal person is probably the most effective way of fighting them.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:28:00 - [13] Edited by: Pottsey on 19/05/2008 06:29:17 öThis time, however, they'll have to deal with the immortal capsuleers. How do you defeat a foe that, for all intents and purposes, cannot die?ö ThatÆs easy they do what they did to the Jove. At least what I think they did, itÆs still a theory. The Enheduanni have unlocked the precise workings of the humam/Jove brain and have genetic engineering skills far beyond the Jove. They create a genetic disease that kills within weeks and because itÆs a genetic disease in the mind if you clone the body it still the disease kills the clone. Just like the Jove disease where clones donÆt work to save Jove. But the Enheduanni long team goals are to bring everyone under their rule via their own free will without force. How would tearing the empires apart achieve this? Unlike the Jove which think everyone should be free to go their own way even if it means warring with each other. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Privavarian Gallente SkillzKillz Diabolic Paradox	Posted - 2008.05.19 12:05:00 - [14] Sounds like an I win button. If the Enemy is in range.. So are you.
Marine HK4861 Caldari Radical Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.19 16:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Pottsey At least what I think they did, itÆs still a theory. The Enheduanni have unlocked the precise workings of the humam/Jove brain and have genetic engineering skills far beyond the Jove. They create a genetic disease that kills within weeks and because itÆs a genetic disease in the mind if you clone the body it still the disease kills the clone. Just like the Jove disease where clones donÆt work to save Jove. The Jove disease as I understood it, was more of a psychological condition, hence why transferring the mind failed to save the individual. When the mind transfer occurs, there is no physical component transferred, hence any introduced genetic defect will not spread to the new clone. The only possible way I can think of, is that Enheduanni have invented an incredibly advanced technology (aka magic) that causes the brain's neural net to respond to a pre-set trigger, which causes unrepairable degradation of the brain's neural pathways. Since the mind transfer will copy this unusable portion of the brain, it will persist throughout whatever copies you make. Sufficient exposure to this trigger will eventually cause enough damage to cause the pod pilot to become a drooling vegetable. The only counter I can think of is to not copy portions of the brain during mind transference, which would only be effective if the damage was detected early enough.
Klaitu BenJohhn Deep Space 180 Broadcasting Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:36:00 - [16] Now guys, you all know that Enheduanni is the ancient word meaning "plot device". You can't fight a plot device, it's unstoppable except by another, bigger plot device.
Malcolm Gerhardt Arctic Fox Industries and Materials	Posted - 2008.05.22 04:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn Now guys, you all know that Enheduanni is the ancient word meaning "plot device". You can't fight a plot device, it's unstoppable except by another, bigger plot device. And i will name my ship 'Macguffin' and all will be saved. But seriously.... At first after reading through 'Theodicy' i thought that Pod Pilots would be safe from the little stomach mind control device do to the fact that when we die, we get a new body. But then i thought about implants... It would be easy to have an agent place a "Biological Trojan Horse Virus" in to the codes for implants. Thoughts?
Deviana Sevidon Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.22 06:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Malcolm Gerhardt Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn Now guys, you all know that Enheduanni is the ancient word meaning "plot device". You can't fight a plot device, it's unstoppable except by another, bigger plot device. And i will name my ship 'Macguffin' and all will be saved. But seriously.... At first after reading through 'Theodicy' i thought that Pod Pilots would be safe from the little stomach mind control device do to the fact that when we die, we get a new body. But then i thought about implants... It would be easy to have an agent place a "Biological Trojan Horse Virus" in to the codes for implants. Thoughts? They would not have to manipulate implants because the pod technology makes it even easier to access a pilots brain. The pod works as an implant, that connects the pilots brain directly to the ships systems. But read the "Repair Man" chronicle to learn that the connection works in both ways. Through this connection a pilots brain can be "hacked".
Canyon Dotmid The Choom Gang	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Marine HK4861 Inflicting memory loss on an immortal person is probably the most effective way of fighting them. everyone always asks me if I suffer from memory loss and I frankly can't tell them because I don't remember L A T E R S
Manfred Rickenbocker The Elliance Delta.Green	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Manfred Rickenbocker on 28/05/2008 16:08:30 Originally by: Malcolm Gerhardt Originally by: Klaitu BenJohhn Now guys, you all know that Enheduanni is the ancient word meaning "plot device". You can't fight a plot device, it's unstoppable except by another, bigger plot device. And i will name my ship 'Macguffin' and all will be saved. But seriously.... At first after reading through 'Theodicy' i thought that Pod Pilots would be safe from the little stomach mind control device do to the fact that when we die, we get a new body. But then i thought about implants... It would be easy to have an agent place a "Biological Trojan Horse Virus" in to the codes for implants. Thoughts? Sadly for the senator, not being a pod pilot didnt give him the advantage of cloning. Reading through the scientific article (1, page 2) shows that the brain scanner is a very violent death-causing mechanism in and of itself. Pod pilots could be just as easily victimized by these stomach bombs by setting them off prior to pod breach, or causing some other method that would interfere with the brain scan. With something as complex as a brain scan, I have been pondering the technology of implants. The brain scan presumes that it does not know what is valuable and so takes a snapshot of all the neural tissue. Even in the future, the brain is not fully understood. My query is this: are implants physically implanted into the brain or simply applied to the pilot/pod interface? The former opens a whole host of problems as the implant may not end up in the same place for each individual making the Enheduanni tech circumstantial. However, if the latter is the case, its possible for rouge implants to falsify signals to the pod, and hence to the ships and crew, turning them into puppets similar to those of True Sansha design. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times.

White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.18 04:57:00 - [21] Edited by: White Ronin on 18/06/2008 04:58:04 Just a thought. They, the Order, are masters of genetic manipulation Quote: ôTheir mastery of genetic engineering unlocked the precise workings of the human brain,ö he answered, manipulating a datapad as he walked back towards the ramp. ôThey can create minds with memories and skills burned into their medial temporal lobe, and set mnemonic devices to trigger them.ö Strange that so are the Jovian... Quote: ôOur anatomy was genetically altered to accommodate cybernetic devices that enhance our senses,ö he answered. ôFuture generations of Jovians will not need them. I have another eye cam for your Amarrian friend. Do you want him to have one?ö The Order has a Jovian name. No other entity or thing to date has a Jovian name that can not be translated to another human language. Because the Order is Jovian. The war is a civil war. They are also instrumental in closing the gate leading here to Eve. Perhaps the first act of the war. Different views of how to handle their "lesser evolved cousins". Fundamentally different on a moral level. They Jovian, fearful of their lose of humanity are now seeking to repair the damage their own experiments have caused. The Order embraces their change and their emergence as a species separate from the rest. Maybe even the Jovian plague is another attack from the Order to weaken one of the two races that the Order fears. --------------------------------------------- For better or worse, drones are the future of humanity. Their choice, not ours.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.18 11:53:00 - [22] ôStrange that so are the Jovian...ö No they are not, they are very advance in that area but they donÆt have mastery of it. There is a big difference between mastery of a subject and being advance in a subject. The Jove are only advance. The order have mastery of it. ôThe Order has a Jovian name. No other entity or thing to date has a Jovian name that can not be translated to another human language.ö ItÆs not a Jove Name itÆs a human name from Earth. What makes you think its Jove? ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.18 15:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Pottsey ôStrange that so are the Jovian...ö No they are not, they are very advance in that area but they donÆt have mastery of it. There is a big difference between mastery of a subject and being advance in a subject. The Jove are only advance. The order have mastery of it. ôThe Order has a Jovian name. No other entity or thing to date has a Jovian name that can not be translated to another human language.ö ItÆs not a Jove Name itÆs a human name from Earth. What makes you think its Jove? Quote: Grious stopped. ôThe æOrderÆùwe call them æEnheduanniÆùdo not fight their own wars. They do not have a differant name for Amarr or Gallente or any other organization or race to-date. The do for them. Quote: ôHey, Grious,ö Viola called. The four Jovians stopped and turned. ôWhat does æEnheduanniÆ mean?ö The Jovian thought for a moment. ôThere is no translation in your language.ö Apparnetly there isnt even a close approximation? No. That is not a human name Ms. Pottsey. Otherwise their would be a translation. And why would the Jovian name something a human name within their own culture? The Jovian, being masters of secrets and knowledge, would be remiss in telling us it ment "Democrats" while Jovian actually ment "Republican". Do you see? The name will hold the key to the Orders place. We have seen many languages that mean sentences with only a few grunts. And yet the Jovian either felt that there was no close approximation to the meaning held by 'Enheduanni', or he felt that its translation was not required ... there was no need to do so as it did not positively affect their mission. Quote: ôWell, why donÆt you give it a try?ö She slumped down to the ground besides the shackled Amarrian, who continued to rock back and forth, quietly chanting scripture. ôI have no desire to do such things to him,ö the Jovian replied. ôNor is there a compelling reason why I should.ö That is evidence of this stance. Another thing you might notice. How the Jovian classify the Order as "the enemy". Quote: ôThe Enheduanni are our greatest enemy, and that makes them your greatest enemy as well. We cannot sit idly while they selfishly interfere with the history that is yours to decide, no matter how destructive, or how often you wish to repeat it.ö If I didnt know better, and believe me this could be from way too much uninterrupted time in my pod, but they sound like freed slaves given all the info. The Jovian have been adjusting their own genetic structure to suit purpose. Making Tools of themselves like the Min are to the Amarr. The Order (apparently) want us to accept their leadership by our own "free will". "Free Will" is only an issue when dealing with spiritual things. I will not go into the inportance of choice in all religions and how acceptance of what is "right" by ones own free will is essential. There is a quote in there about "accepting them as our leaders of our own free will" but I am too busy to find it. The Order seem like they were betting on the Amarr while the Jove on the Min. It is almost like the Amarr from the future have come back in time to assure their rule. Black holes lead through space and time theoretically. They have mastered teleportation. Time travel is simply one degree of separation in theory. Quote: As their powers grew, they began to believe they were capable of anything, and this led them into increasingly more bizarre mutations of their bodies and minds, a policy rigorously backed up by strict governmental control. As proficient as the Order? No. But so proficient when viewed from our tech standpoint that "masters" is an easy term to apply. Damn. Could it be. Read the texts Ms. Pottsey. Amarr's fascination with cybernetics. The issue of "free will". The Jovians interest in the Min. Then again I do need to dock and get a psyche eval. --------------------------------------------- For better or worse, sentient drones are the future of humanity.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:28:00 - [24] ôThey do not have a differant name for Amarr or Gallente or any other organization or race to-date. The do for them.ö For all we know they do have a different name. But I have to apologise as for some reason I confused the word Einherjar and Enheduanni. I thought Enheduanni had the same meaning as Einherjar. My theory was that Einherjar being a human word from Earth there was no translation to the Gallante language. Due to the situation the Jove didnÆt have time to explain the history and meaning of the word so to save time said there is no translation. Also the Galllante and Jove learnt about the Enheduanni separately and didnÆt know the other new about them. It makes sense both came up with different words for them. It would be odder if both came up with the same word. ôThe Order seem like they were betting on the Amarr while the Jove on the Min. It is almost like the Amarr from the future have come back in time to assure their rule. Black holes lead through space and time theoretically. They have mastered teleportation. Time travel is simply one degree of separation in theory.ö You have it wrong. The Order where threatened by the Amarr and didnÆt lke what they are doing. The Order caused the war between the Jove and Amarr to knock the Amarr back. ôThe need to be free of fear and uncertainty, child. The Minmatar Elders controlled their fear of the unknown by nurturing patience in their quest for understanding. That quest united an entire people! Their tribes were acting as one, even without the awareness of a single nation to define them. No other race was on a surer path towards achieving what we have than they. But the Amarriansàö That hints to me that the Order think the Minmatar are on the right path. It also makes it clear the Order think the Amarrians got in the way. ôThe Amarrians and their fear, the Amarrians and their addiction, the Amarrians and their ignorance! Eanna was all that remained of the example that humankind desperately needed to evolve, to rid itself of fear once and for all, and to embrace the enlightenment that has preserved us for millennia!ö The Order ranting about the Amarrians. ôThere is a quote in there about "accepting them as our leaders of our own free will" but I am too busy to find it.ö Your right and the quote for anyone else interested is ôGrious thought for a moment before answering. ôTheir interest lies in reshaping the course of mankind according to their own design.ö ôTheir design?ö Baer said, angered. ôWhy not just conquer us outright by use of force?ö Grious is a Jove talking to a Gallante lady. Reshaping now thatÆs an interesting word to use. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.18 21:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Pottsey For all we know they do have a different name. But I have to apologise as for some reason I confused the word Einherjar and Enheduanni. I thought Enheduanni had the same meaning as Einherjar. My theory was that Einherjar being a human word from Earth there was no translation to the Gallante language. Due to the situation the Jove didnÆt have time to explain the history and meaning of the word so to save time said there is no translation. strange speculation as he stated there was no translation. Your statement is conjecture and theory and lacking in any proof. Not to offend but that is truth. Please, as I have done, provide proof. They are not the same word. One is Jovian and the other old earth. The Jovian said there was no translation. You are using lack of total and complete knowledge as a catch all for maybe. Though please post proof to this so that i may learn. As it is now that is not the case. "For all we know" is only as acceptable as its application to all other topics. And it is not. What we do know though subject to change is that there is no translation they are willing to give. Quote: Also the Galllante and Jove learnt about the Enheduanni separately and didnÆt know the other new about them. It makes sense both came up with different words for them. It would be odder if both came up with the same word. As would also be the case if they were actually a faction of Jove that split around the time of the EveGate closing would it not? Quote: You have it wrong. The Order where threatened by the Amarr and didnÆt lke what they are doing. The Order caused the war between the Jove and Amarr to knock the Amarr back. Actually, it is stated that... Quote: Grious stopped. ôThe æOrderÆùwe call them æEnheduanniÆùdo not fight their own wars. They have the Empires fight for them, which they achieve by controlling the influence of those who rise to power. But the Minmatars were not supposed to collapse so quickly, and it appears they have also underestimated the impact of Ammarian religion on society. So now they have successfully involved us to reset the balance that is most favorable to them.ö It was not their collapse that was the issue, but it happened faster then it was supposed to. Do not confuse the two intentions. Quote: That hints to me that the Order think the Minmatar are on the right path. It also makes it clear the Order think the Amarrians got in the way. With the assumtion that the Order did not actually want the Min to fall, you carry this error over to the next statement. The Amarr were supposed to win, just not so fast. Given the many layers of their plans, the one in this document is evidence, timing is everything. Break the timing and you break the plan. The rant they make is simply to gain compliance. They have no problems with lying as their agents are walking lies with no actual past. They have a problem with controlling others. Free will is their constraining code oddly enough. She was told what she was told to keep willfully doing their bidding as she is a sleeper agent herself from the pain in her head during the Orders first communication to her unexplainable "need" to stay with Faus. As with the slaves actions to get to surface so that the message could be sent in the beginning. Deception to gain the desired goal. Because for some reason, Free Will is the most important issue. Did you know that you can't commit a mortal unforgivable sin in most religions unless it is done with intent... with Free Will? Quote: Reshaping now thatÆs an interesting word to use. Not logically. It takes more to make from scratch then to take an item and make it differant. The logic still holds they are or were once part of Jovian society and are now splinter. Simply a plan of conservation of materials. Less waste of time and energy. Nothing more. --------------------------------------------- For better or worse, sentient drones are the future of humanity.
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.18 21:19:00 - [26] One other thing. The Jove said that the religion was a problem and its effects were not accounted for. This was not the case when the Amarr first encountered the Min or the plan would have been different would it not? Do you see? We have a timeline provided by the data in that the effects of religion were different, or at least the theorized results of it, in a time frame. So what has happened religiously to the Amarr since they first encountered the Min? Isnt that the next question to be asked? --------------------------------------------- For better or worse, sentient drones are the future of humanity.
Joutei Kikai	Posted - 2008.06.18 22:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Joutei Kikai on 18/06/2008 22:03:17 Couple of thoughts I'd just like to interject, on how capsuleers figure into the Jove-vs.-Enheduanni equation: We know from Theodicy that the ability to seize control of other vessels is something common to both the Jovians and the Enheduanni - Grious's exact quote, I believe, was that "Empire vessels [...] are not yet equipped to defend themselves against such attacks." This, obviously, was before the introduction of capsule technology to the empires. We know that pods were introduced by the Jovians, originally to the Caldari (likely as a matter of convenience - the Caldari are simply closer to Jove space), and from there spread to the other empires. Prime fiction specifically mentions how no one was ever certain why the Jovians gave pod technology, why they refused to accept any money for their invention, and why they refused to adapt the original technology to suit conventional human brains. Presumably, all this is because the capsule was seen as the greatest way to defend against such direct interference by either the Enheduanni, simultaneously making us much more difficult to kill (since capsuleers have easy access to clones) and robbing them of the ability to take over our ships, as they are now under our direct mental control. That said, clones do not make you 'invincible,' per se; the recent death of Otro Gariushi proved that much. As for our implants - Enheduanni agents are not people taken over by implants; rather, they are specially-bred humans designed with specific purposes and devices embedded in their brains and their bodies. As for the "Repair Man" chronicle - seems to me to be the exception, not the rule. The character in that chronicle was most likely not just the average joe capsuleer, but a sleeper agent of sorts himself. Incidentally, the ones who come to 'repair' him are Jovians: their ships are described as being invisible, but "the color of an oil spill" (consistent with known Jovian aesthetics), and the ships pictured at the top are a pair of Jovian Wraith-class frigates. EDIT: As for whether or not the Jovians and the Enheduanni are fighting a 'civil war': Whatever connection the two may have had in the past, it is clear that in the present they are two entirely distinct entities. A war between them is no more a civil war than the wars between the Caldari and the Gallente, or the Ammar and the Minmatar, are.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.19 07:08:00 - [28] ôstrange speculation as he stated there was no translation. Your statement is conjecture and theory and lacking in any proof. Not to offend but that is truth. Please, as I have done, provide proof.ö Your statements are also conjecture and theory and lacking in any proof. I said was ôFor all we know they do have a different nameö. We havenÆt heard any other Jove words for other races. We have no idea about Jove names or language. A Jove speaking Gallante to a Gallante is going to use Gallante words. The only reason they didnÆt use the word "The Order" is they didnÆt know the Gallante word for Enheduanni. For all we know the Jove word for Gallante has no translation. My point is we donÆt know what the Jove word is, if there is even a jove word. We never had a Jove speaking Jove. For all we know Jove speak German. As for me saying Enheduanni is a human name from Earth I already apologise for that mistake in my older post. I thought Einherjar and Enheduanni are the same word, which they are not. ôThe logic still holds they are or were once part of Jovian society and are now splinter.ö Unless time travel is involved that makes no sense. How could a splitter get massively more powerful and more advance then the group they come from? The Enheduanni are at a minimum 100Æs of years more advance the Jove perhaps a lot more. I find it very unbelievable a splinter group can advance 100Æs of years over the group it came from. The Enheduanni tech is so advance the Jove not only donÆt have it but they donÆt even have a basic understanding how some of it works, its beyond their grasp or was 150yaers ago. I would assume now its within there understanding but still beyond their ability to use. An example now or 10years ago we have/had an understand of how Nano bots would work but its beyond our tech. Go back 200+years and we had no understanding how Nano bots would work. ThatÆs the how the Enheduanni and Jove are. The Enheduanni tech is beyond Jove understanding. Well some of it is. Personally I think the 4 raceÆs that came though the Eve gate and vanished are the ones that merged into the Enheduanni. It makes sense as the 4 raceÆs that vanished all had tech that matchÆs what the Enheduanni do. But there is no way to prove it only a lot of reasons to hint at it. Out of time now will read the rest of your post later. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:15:00 - [29] Edited by: Pottsey on 19/06/2008 10:17:29 ôActually, it is stated that..............ö ôThe Amarr were supposed to win, just not so fast.ö ThatÆs conjecture and theory and lacking in any proof as you like to say. How do you know the Amarr were supposed to win? The Enheduanni never said anything bad about the Minmatar. Everything the Enheduanni said about the Enheduanni was in support of them. The Enheduanni never said anything about wanting the Minmatar to collapse. But the Enheduanni did get involed to stop the collapse. When you take other comments from them with everything they did itÆs much more likely the plan was to save the Minmatar. ItÆs much more likely they foresaw the collapse and made a plan to save them based on a slow collapse then changed plans as the collapse was faster then expected. Two things are clear. They didnÆt want the Minmatar to collapse fast and they think the Minmatar are on the right path. öNo other race was on a surer path towards achieving what we have than they. But the Amarriansàö that sounds like they want the Minmatar to continue down the current path and the Amarrians got in the way of their plans. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
White Ronin Screenout	Posted - 2008.06.19 14:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 19/06/2008 10:17:29 ThatÆs conjecture and theory and lacking in any proof as you like to say. How do you know the Amarr were supposed to win? The Enheduanni never said anything bad about the Minmatar. Everything the Enheduanni said about the Enheduanni was in support of them. The Enheduanni never said anything about wanting the Minmatar to collapse. But the Enheduanni did get involed to stop the collapse. I find it extremely odd that you take everything the "say" as truth when every thing they do is an exercise in deception. And since it is agreed (I believe but notify me if I am wrong) that they seem to have a requirement that everyone involved act by their own "free will" (even their own vat grown operatives whose memories are even lies). Therefore the only way to affect an outcome that is controlled by the free will of someone is to lie to them. But you seem to take every word they have uttered as truth. Why? And as for proof I have the statement of the Jovians stating the problem was the speed of the loss that was the problem, not the loss itself. You have nothing to counter this. Quote: When you take other comments from them with everything they did itÆs much more likely the plan was to save the Minmatar. ItÆs much more likely they foresaw the collapse and made a plan to save them based on a slow collapse then changed plans as the collapse was faster then expected. The statement of the Jove is clear. It was not "they were not ment to fall". It was that they fell TOO FAST. Quote: Two things are clear. They didnÆt want the Minmatar to collapse fast and they think the Minmatar are on the right path. öNo other race was on a surer path towards achieving what we have than they. But the Amarriansàö that sounds like they want the Minmatar to continue down the current path and the Amarrians got in the way of their plans. No. The statement of the Jove would be the only one I give any chance of truth so the speed is still the only problem. Their statements to anyone to affect their actions are lies until we have proof otherwise. That is logical. It is obvious that you refuse to think that the Order would lie to anyone as you take everything they say as truth without question. I also notice that while you are a dedicated scholar and archaeologist, two professions built upon solid evidence and scientific study, you seem biased toward the Order and willing to accept all statements or reported statements from them as truth when their entire known works in this universe are manipulations. When it is also known they will not directly control you as they feel you must use your own free will to decide yet they only way to affect the outcome of a situation while still allowing for free will is to lie. Does your head hurt Ms. Pottsey? Really.... Does it? Have you looked into your own past like you have the 4 ghost races? Found your families old coworkers? Neighbors? Taxes your family paid? Bills? I am going to say you havent as noone does since their is no need. But dont you think it is strange how you are a trained archaeologist but seem to have no objectivity concerning the statements of the Order? I apologize for entering your discussion as it is apparent that the Order is not viewed here as any sort of "threat" but more a friend. But, if that is the case, they are the Jove enemy are they not. And it does not sound like that will end with a peace conference or a handshake. The enemy of my friend is my enemy. Be warned that the Jove are aware of this all to human view. The friend of my enemy is my enemy I bet they understand that one also. My money though is on objectivity and truth. And the Jove... at least right now. Thank you for your time. Good day. --------------------------------------------- For better or worse, sentient drones are the future of humanity.

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