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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Zobiana
Edited by: Zobiana on 16/05/2008 14:17:46
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Carebear tears are the sweetest when you lick them right off the cheek 
lol. I'm not a carebear, I just detest people who find it "fun" to attack new players with a character that is so far above their victim in skills and abilities that they don't stand even the remotest chance to defend themselves. Hellroxx could have popped the guy flying the cheapest, weakest frigate in the game, by flying past him, rolling down the window and throwing spitballs at him. There was no "contest" to the fight, no challenge, not even loot worth taking the time to kill a newb for. The only reason he did it was because a 1 year old plus character found it "fun to gank newbs" because he couldn't find "anything else to do".
Sadly... This poor soul... over a year old... was unable to find anyone worthy of fighting except some 6 day old newb character. 
Zobiana
p.s. I mean, if you wanna fight newbs, create an alt, skill him/her up for a cpl days and then fight on a more even playing field, the fights will be more satisfying, and you will at least have the satisfaction of knowing you won't be looked at like some 40yr old guy that beats on a 3 month old baby because they find it "fun" because they had nothing better to do. (same concept here)
Haha. First off, I'd like to cross reference with pretty much a majority of the EvE population that states "EvE is HARSH as it should be. Nothing is fair in Eve" so your whole comment about fighting a nub just for fairness is Fail!
Second, you still play video games at age 40?
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 16/05/2008 22:12:11
Originally by: Syniztur
Haha. First off, I'd like to cross reference with pretty much a majority of the EvE population that states "EvE is HARSH as it should be. Nothing is fair in Eve" so your whole comment about fighting a nub just for fairness is Fail!
Second, you still play video games at age 40?
Part one: Eve is harsh
Agreed.
Part Two: At age 40
What's wrong with that? I'm only 21, but I have a friend who's 40+ and plays EVE. My own mom plays video games. I won't get into her age, but you get the idea.
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Barsexual
Caldari
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:22:00 -
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Don't you grown ups have something better to do than video games? Seriously. Like raise your family, or move ahead in your career? My parents have no time for video games like eve because they work a lot (both lawyers). I wouldn't want them playing this game anyway because I can imagine them being whiny *****es too. Stop *****ing about kids doing this and that in eve and just play the game.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Barsexual
Don't you grown ups have something better to do than video games? Seriously. Like raise your family, or move ahead in your career? My parents have no time for video games like eve because they work a lot (both lawyers). I wouldn't want them playing this game anyway because I can imagine them being whiny *****es too. Stop *****ing about kids doing this and that in eve and just play the game.
Like some of us have 7:00-3:30 jobs, play with the kids until 8:00 then send them to bed 
Besides, you are never too old for games. I know of 12 players in eve that are over 40, probably close to 20 that are between 30-40 and 5 that are over 50.
Time for someone to understand that "games" aren't just kids' toys, they are something you can enjoy regardless of age. Actually I would say you aren't "old" until you can't enjoy games anymore 
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:45:00 -
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The 'if it's too loud your too old' scenario eh?
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:47:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Zobiana
I accept your viewpoint as valid in that a person who comes into the game and plays a pirate and blows people up hither and yon regardless of who/what/age etc doesn't reflect who they ARE in real life. My point is that it DOES reflect some aspect of their personalities that they may very well have so deeply buried that they themselves are not even aware of it.
A bully will always find excuses for their behavior, be it "A game" or whatever. The behavior nevertheless is still the same.
On that same subject, a person who comes in to play a fantasy game, creates a persona for that character. The simple fact of human existance is that we can NOT be something we don't have the ability to be. A pirate in the game, has the ability to be a pirate in real life, even if they would never actually consider ever doing or being one.
You say you accept the viewpoint as valid, and immediately say that it isnt. Who they are in their real life has a direct corelation to their personality. In a game and more specificaly in THIS game, you are free to do as you see fit... You play the game to have fun.
I know people in the Eve Roleplaying community who roleplay Amarr slavers, or Minmatar Terrorists. Do you know the reason why they do these things? No, they arent personaly into ensalving their fellow humans, or suicide bombing inocents to further their group's cause. The choose these roles because it is the polar opposite of what they stand for in real life. They want the challenge of roleplaying a character that would be difficult for them to understand, and they get enjoyment from trying to get the way they act in game to match their character's mindset. If you have ever tried to do this, it is actualy a good bit of fun.
On the count of someone not be what they do not have the ability to be... That is the purpose of fantasy. It is somewhere where you can say... "Gee I think today Im going to do thing entirely contrary to my entire way of life", just because you can. It is a freedom that is given to everyone through imagination and the only thing that keeps ANYONE form doing so is their own personal boundaries.
Listen Holy Man, do not tell me that you would be unable to be a pirate in game. It would be a down right lie. The only thing that would keep you from doing so would be your own personal beliefs that in this GAME there is an actual sense of right and wrong that coinsiders with reality. As its been said already in this thread, A great majority of the "darker side" of eve are great, friendly, upstanding people who would be willing to help you out if you merely ask in a polite fashion. There are also a lot of rude, nasty, smacktalking, real-life threatening players who are mission runners, miners, and player characters that do not "attack" other player characters.
Originally by: Zobiana
People come here to relax, to "let go for a bit" those words by themselves should tell you that they are playing out a part of themselves not allowed by normal society in a safe, secure and harmless manner.
I think you are merely misinterprting that. I see "let go" as letting go of yourself and your real life issues, and going to a Universe where none of that matters.
Tell me something...
Do you feel bad when you play chess and take one of your opponent's pawns? Remember... these pawns are a representation of the lowest ranking foot soldier on a battlefield, and you have just ordered you own troops to MURDER it.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:51:00 -
[97]
Edited by: DubanFP on 16/05/2008 22:53:00
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Barsexual
Don't you grown ups have something better to do than video games? Seriously. Like raise your family, or move ahead in your career? My parents have no time for video games like eve because they work a lot (both lawyers). I wouldn't want them playing this game anyway because I can imagine them being whiny *****es too. Stop *****ing about kids doing this and that in eve and just play the game.
Like some of us have 7:00-3:30 jobs, play with the kids until 8:00 then send them to bed
Besides, you are never too old for games. I know of 12 players in eve that are over 40, probably close to 20 that are between 30-40 and 5 that are over 50.
Time for someone to understand that "games" aren't just kids' toys, they are something you can enjoy regardless of age. Actually I would say you aren't "old" until you can't enjoy games anymore
Not to mention those of us in our 20s today grew up on the same videogames that lead up to the ones you play now. I also have a real life friend with a 2 year old kid, and a 3 month old that plays video games with me all the time. Also most EVE players are 20+ anyways. Damnit now you've gotten me feeling old, now get off my lawn!
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Barsexual
Caldari
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.05.16 22:52:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Syniztur
The 'if it's too loud your too old' scenario eh?
Well I keep seeing thread after thread about "how all these stupid griefer kids, keep suiciding my ship or pirates are bunch of 12 year-olds that need a spanking"
If anything these supposed more mature older people should have more to worry about than what's killing them in a VIDEO GAME.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.16 23:53:00 -
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I have been playing computer games since i was 9 at a level that could be considered 'good' (♥ mode tetris, sim city cities that worked :P, smashing dune II to bits, columns to the max speed a megadrive can cope, SF, MK, doom, etc...) 15 years later and there's this whole new kinda game that is pitting gamers against, quite frankly, non-gamers; the mmo. not so long ago like all games were PvP, you got your mates round for some mariokart or bomberman, or played doom over the school network haha, but now we got games that let you do strange **** like kill mobs forever and mine ore and ****, forever...?
i'm at a loss to describe how but these mmos involve some people at an emotional level beyond competing, from the person who wants to get those shiny spaulders of uberstats to someone who wants to inflict 'pain' on someone by taking those spaulders away - neither of those jokers are gamers, just egos trying to escape reality, nay, build virtual ones. Their sick little melodrama sits side-by-side of people who just want to fight, or create profitable systems, roleplay, etc, the real gamers.
for sure if you sit all day mining thinking of isk you ain't no gamer, if all you want to do is blow someone up to emotionally hurt them, you ain't no gamer, i don't know what you are, but pffft....hopefully 'Hellroxx' will come and blow you up again or something because even though you don't realise it, your types are made for each other :P
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Noelle Fay
RIMTECH
NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM
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Posted - 2008.05.17 00:12:00 -
[100]
Wait, he was using a Kestrel?
No fun when it's no total overkill. I wouldn't use anything smaller than a kronos to kill the ibises in Kisogo
Seriously though... who cares? EvE is cruel, that's what makes it great. You aren't safe anywhere, not even in 1.0 space with all the high sec ganking going on. Love it and play EvE, or just go play some other game. I hate these kind of sentences, but it's true..
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Ceti
Gallente
Red Back
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Posted - 2008.05.17 00:13:00 -
[101]
Now I see I have done wrong stealing ore from all sorts of folks in Eve. I am sincerely sorry. 
I will stop, promise.
I just have to complete a 'Mass Murder' of janitors before I seek help to reform.
Regards
Ceti
'Flip'n cans since '04 '
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Zobiana
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Posted - 2008.05.17 00:14:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Take it easy on him guys... he was raised a baptist... it's not his fault 
I try hard to get past my upbringing, but sometimes it creeps into the oddest places [points to entire thread] upon reflection, I think that I will just shut up now, go crawl back into my hole and be embarrassed for a while.
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Jake Silence
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Posted - 2008.05.17 00:46:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Zobiana
Zobiana 2008.05.16 03:36
You should be ashamed of yourself. A character as old as that one, can flipping newbs in high sec. At least grow a set and can flip someone who might actually give you a fair and fun fight. Oh I forgot, people like you don't know how to fight against anyone who might actually kill them, you'd rather prey on characters less than a week old so you can brag about how big a virtual ***** you have because your real one is so tiny and pathetic. Loser.
Zobiana
Character age doesn't necessarily equate skillpoints. I could can-flip a noob with my two and a half year old alt with more points in corp management than missile or gunnery skills, and limited to flying a cruiser, and it wouldn't be that unfair a fight.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.17 01:36:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 17/05/2008 01:37:46
Originally by: DubanFP
Not to mention those of us in our 20s today grew up on the same videogames that lead up to the ones you play now. I also have a real life friend with a 2 year old kid, and a 3 month old that plays video games with me all the time. Also most EVE players are 20+ anyways. Damnit now you've gotten me feeling old, now get off my virtual lawn!
My daughter is 3 (we got started REALLY late). She is very fluent in computers for her age and has her own. She's perfectly capable of navigating the sites we allow her to go to and play on them, answering the puzzles, etc. It is almost scary...
My favorite gaming story of her is when she was about 18 months. She was sitting on my lap while I was playing in a Mech Warrior drop with several other lances. Right in the middle of the heaviest section of combat when we were struggling for our virtual pixels, she reached over and smacked the button on the top of my Saitek flight controller.
Booom! Self destruct 
ALmost as bad as when she jerked the stick back while I was playing Aces High and ripped my wings off. I was about to land successfully for the FIRST time and had gotten 8 kills.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
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Javiir Soban
Caldari
Amarrian Religious Reformation Society Exalted
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Posted - 2008.05.17 01:54:00 -
[105]
Stuff like this is why we have plans under way to mount a few raids into local newbie infested areas. But theses people are sick, and deserve all the misfortune that befalls them in-game, I almost wish I could get a few titans hot-dropped on them.
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Ho HsienKo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2008.05.17 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zobiana
I try hard to get past my upbringing, but sometimes it creeps into the oddest places [points to entire thread] upon reflection, I think that I will just shut up now, go crawl back into my hole and be embarrassed for a while.
Z
Don't be so hard on yourself, it is kind of like watching an 8 year old play Tick Tack Toe with a 2 year old, the situation you describe. Do something about it!!
Challenge that nasty Brat to a game of Chess and kick his ass, the next time he sits down to play Tick Tack Toe with his little brother he may let him win one or two times ; ]
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.17 03:04:00 -
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judging from that evemail you're just in it for your own ego. instead of setting up a trap to punish the offender or at least help the poor nub that got ganked you just want to make yourself feel better.
how to do that? easy throw some insults at the guy and let the other bears pat you on the shoulder. do something about it? nawww that would be effort. (and would probably end in you getting owned anyway)
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:52:00 -
[108]
This thread is filled with chuckles.
Little secret: Gaming for the over-40 set means we have earned the free time to enjoy ourselves a bit. Fun is fun....nothing deeper.
OP..dude...I hate to say this but chill out a bit and don't take things so seriously. Thats what RL is for .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:55:00 -
[109]
Meh, he prolly has a small willy in RL.
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Saloris Nighthawke
Ryche's Aggressors Asylum
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Posted - 2008.05.18 12:42:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Saloris Nighthawke on 18/05/2008 12:44:35
Originally by: Barsexual
Don't you grown ups have something better to do than video games? Seriously. Like raise your family, or move ahead in your career? My parents have no time for video games like eve because they work a lot (both lawyers). I wouldn't want them playing this game anyway because I can imagine them being whiny *****es too. Stop *****ing about kids doing this and that in eve and just play the game.
Wow... I have heard of poster children before but this kid takes the cake.
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Zobiana
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:42:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Syniztur
Originally by: Zobiana
Edited by: Zobiana on 16/05/2008 14:17:46
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Carebear tears are the sweetest when you lick them right off the cheek
lol. I'm not a carebear, I just detest people who find it "fun" to attack new players with a character that is so far above their victim in skills and abilities that they don't stand even the remotest chance to defend themselves. Hellroxx could have popped the guy flying the cheapest, weakest frigate in the game, by flying past him, rolling down the window and throwing spitballs at him. There was no "contest" to the fight, no challenge, not even loot worth taking the time to kill a newb for. The only reason he did it was because a 1 year old plus character found it "fun to gank newbs" because he couldn't find "anything else to do".
Sadly... This poor soul... over a year old... was unable to find anyone worthy of fighting except some 6 day old newb character.
Zobiana
p.s. I mean, if you wanna fight newbs, create an alt, skill him/her up for a cpl days and then fight on a more even playing field, the fights will be more satisfying, and you will at least have the satisfaction of knowing you won't be looked at like some 40yr old guy that beats on a 3 month old baby because they find it "fun" because they had nothing better to do. (same concept here)
Haha. First off, I'd like to cross reference with pretty much a majority of the EvE population that states "EvE is HARSH as it should be. Nothing is fair in Eve" so your whole comment about fighting a nub just for fairness is Fail!
Second, you still play video games at age 40?
Actually, I play EVE, and several other games, at age 43. I plan on being a gamer till the day I dry up, and blow away, or loose interest in the nurses boobs in the retirement home.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:16:00 -
[112]
Ok, so this dude is using lack of knowledge about game mechanics of some other dudes in game to deprive them of their virtual possessions, get a bit of loot and a killmail to remember them by.
Don't people do this all over EVE - exploit the fact that someone else is weaker, smaller, and more stupid to kill them, deprive them of territory or possessions?
Yeah, daaang, man that is so immoral. I understand now that blowing up pixels belonging to someone who is new to the game and didn't read a single player guide would classify you on the same plank as "mass murderers".
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Zobiana
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:31:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Ok, so this dude is using lack of knowledge about game mechanics of some other dudes in game to deprive them of their virtual possessions, get a bit of loot and a killmail to remember them by.
Don't people do this all over EVE - exploit the fact that someone else is weaker, smaller, and more stupid to kill them, deprive them of territory or possessions?
Yeah, daaang, man that is so immoral. I understand now that blowing up pixels belonging to someone who is new to the game and didn't read a single player guide would classify you on the same plank as "mass murderers".
maybe you should read the entire thread to get a basic understanding of what is being discussed and why, before sticking your foot in your mouth and tasting your own shoe leather.
Z
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 19/05/2008 07:04:25
Originally by: DubanFP
My own mom plays video games. I won't get into her age, but you get the idea.
that right there is a sig
btw, the oldest eve player Ive met was well into his 60's. Nuthing wrong with that. Good on him! My ol' man is 70 and thinks hacking a computer involves putting an axe through the monitor.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:53:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Zobiana
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Ok, so this dude is using lack of knowledge about game mechanics of some other dudes in game to deprive them of their virtual possessions, get a bit of loot and a killmail to remember them by.
Don't people do this all over EVE - exploit the fact that someone else is weaker, smaller, and more stupid to kill them, deprive them of territory or possessions?
Yeah, daaang, man that is so immoral. I understand now that blowing up pixels belonging to someone who is new to the game and didn't read a single player guide would classify you on the same plank as "mass murderers".
maybe you should read the entire thread to get a basic understanding of what is being discussed and why, before sticking your foot in your mouth and tasting your own shoe leather.
Z
In this thread I see you:
- draw parallels between people baiting mining newbies in EVE and people who bully other people in real life (this includes such folk as terrorists, people who abuse their families, sadists, etc. these are all your basic real life bullies)
- saying that "this game is designed to reflect and elicit our personalities and morals ...the ones we hide from the real world because they would get us arrested and thrown into jail if we let them out"
- saying that "the game allows us to access our deeper darker personality traits (the more base, animal selves), in a fun, safe manner and play them in a way that doesn't usually harm anyone" (exactly, this game allows me to blow up some pixels so that i can access my deeper darker animal personality trait that make me enjoy ... blowing up some pixels)
- saying that using someone else's lack of knowledge on how to play the game to kill their virtual ship is wrong - "while this type of "behavior" is allowed within the basic game mechanics and rules, it still doesn't make it right"
- and last but not least: verbally belittle someone because, well, let me guess: him doing something wrong in your opinion makes it OK for you to be mean back to him - "you'd rather prey on characters less than a week old so you can brag about how big a virtual ***** you have because your real one is so tiny and pathetic. Loser."
Originally by: Zobiana
I do accept that I am coming from my own viewpoint, colored by my beliefs and dedication and that this viewpoint is the extreme minority in the game....
Well here is my own viewpoint. You have a lot of difficulty separating real world from virtual world. Because people tend to judge others to be more like themselves, you judge that other people must be just like you in this respect. Hence if they kill a newbie in EVE, they are clearly expressing their dark subconscious urges and desires to feel powerful at another human being's expense. The fallacy of this reasoning lies in fact that other players are not like you and do not have a difficulty separating virtual from real. Hence no parallels to rl can be drawn for them. In addition you are also one of those people who feel morally righteous doing/saying mean things to someone who you think is bad, because them being bad somehow justifies you doing so. And this doesn't ring the hypocrite bells in your head at all, oh no, you aim to strike this person back albeit just with words.
To wrap this up, all of the above that you said in this thread in my books classifies you as not just crazy but bat**** crazy. This is only my humble opinion ofc, now you may choose to continue flaming.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:38:00 -
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I completely agree with Zobiana's assertion that the behaviour described is despicable. However, I like to live in a world where there are despicable characters to go after in a group and kill. Again and again.
Big up the Anti Piracy Corps !!
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Barsexual
Caldari
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:47:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Saloris Nighthawke
Edited by: Saloris Nighthawke on 18/05/2008 12:44:35
Originally by: Barsexual
Don't you grown ups have something better to do than video games? Seriously. Like raise your family, or move ahead in your career? My parents have no time for video games like eve because they work a lot (both lawyers). I wouldn't want them playing this game anyway because I can imagine them being whiny *****es too. Stop *****ing about kids doing this and that in eve and just play the game.
Wow... I have heard of poster children before but this kid takes the cake.
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Poster child for what? I'm using the same argument used against younger people by "mature" gamers claiming all younger players are griefing kiddies that need to gb2wow.
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Zobiana
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Zobiana on 19/05/2008 19:44:58
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Well here is my own viewpoint. You have a lot of difficulty separating real world from virtual world. Because people tend to judge others to be more like themselves, you judge that other people must be just like you in this respect. Hence if they kill a newbie in EVE, they are clearly expressing their dark subconscious urges and desires to feel powerful at another human being's expense. The fallacy of this reasoning lies in fact that other players are not like you and do not have a difficulty separating virtual from real. Hence no parallels to rl can be drawn for them. In addition you are also one of those people who feel morally righteous doing/saying mean things to someone who you think is bad, because them being bad somehow justifies you doing so. And this doesn't ring the hypocrite bells in your head at all, oh no, you aim to strike this person back albeit just with words.
To wrap this up, all of the above that you said in this thread in my books classifies you as not just crazy but bat**** crazy. This is only my humble opinion ofc, now you may choose to continue flaming.
I have no difficulty separating the real world from a game. I'm just going to say this once, and then i'm moving on to other things.
People like to pretend when they come into a game like eve, that the character behavior they choose has no bearing what so ever on any aspect of their personalities in real life. They convince themselves that it's ok to do what they do, because its "just a game" and in some aspects they are 100% correct and right. BUT, in some respects they are also 100% wrong.
Do you fudge (cheat) on your taxes? (thief, law breaker) Do you occasionally make a rolling "stop" at a stop sign rather than coming to a complete stop? (law breaker)Do you speed? (law breaker) Do you Lie? (liar) Do you steal from work... at all? (thief) I'm not talking about the accidental mistakes we all make. I'm talking about the deliberate acts of breaking the law, being a thief, knowingly speeding, knowingly not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign etc. The "little" things most of us do every day w/o once considering ourselves to be wrong in doing it, when in fact, we are wrong, because it's against the law. ( a thief is a thief is a thief no matter if it's a pen or a car or a virtual pile of ore in a computer game, period, and that is NOT a negotiable statement regardless of how you or anyone else may attempt to rationalize that type of behavior).
People try to seperate a game in the world, from the world, so they can behave in ways they would not behave in life itself w/o taking the responsibility for the moral or amoral behavior they show. But a thief, a pirate or a virtual bully in a game, is still a part of the person playing that character, doing things at their command and behest.
Any of you guys remember when you flipped your first can? Remember that "thrill" you got from being a thief? Knowing it was possible you just got yourself killed in the game? You KNEW what you were doing was "morally" wrong. Or you would not have had the thrill of doing it and would have had the emotions of a machine. dead and heartless.
And with that last statement, I end this discussion.
Z
p.s. I'm NOT saying I am morally perfect, in fact, I am far from it, I AM saying, there is NO distinction between the emotional/psychological impact of a behavior in a game, and the like behavior in the real world. The brain is NOT able to tell the difference between virtual thievery or real life thievery if it could, there would be no "thrill or fear" of the consequences or possible consequences because the psyche would know it's only a game and not real. For those of you who don't have those "emotional" responses, this entire discussion has no bearing on you. - z
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Deej Montana
Caldari
Outbound Flight
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Posted - 2008.05.19 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
While he may not be intentionally doing it, he's actually doing these noobs a SERVICE by popping their cheap noobie ships. He's teaching them that EvE is a harsh and unforgiving world, and that their safety is their own responsibility.
Obviously teaching is not his INTENT, his intent is to get an easy kill and have a little fun at someone else's expense. But, to smart noobs, it is a great learning experience, and is often done while they are still flying the free noobie ship.
And the "teachers" have done an excellent job; all the smart people have learned to stay the hell out of low sec, making it a pretty barren and pointless waste of server space. Then all the "teachers" show up here with half-baked schemes to get more people into low sec....
Sorry, but tormenting new players (who should be seen as the lifeblood of an MMO--or, from an enlightened self-interest viewpoint as future customers for your goods/services, future corpmates, future targets/competitors) and attempting to justify that behavior as "for the noobs' own good" is disingenuous at best.
Want to teach a lesson? IM the new person or chat with them in local and tell 'em why jetcanning is a bad idea. That's proper teaching. Just killing for the lols is plain old bullying.
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Tsanse Kinske
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Posted - 2008.05.19 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zobiana
I have no difficulty separating the real world from a game.
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...I AM saying, there is NO distinction between the emotional/psychological impact of a behavior in a game, and the like behavior in the real world. The brain is NOT able to tell the difference between virtual thievery or real life thievery if it could, there would be no "thrill or fear" of the consequences or possible consequences because the psyche would know it's only a game and not real.
Well apparently not only do you have difficulty separating the real world from a game, you're just plain not capable of doing it on a social or moral level. And you have the arrogance to assume that because you can't do it, that nobody else can either.
It's amazing to me that somebody who is so clearly intelligent can see the world in such stark, absolute, and egocentric terms. There's a lot of harsh things I could say about how much damage people with that kind of attitude have done in this world. I won't, but I assure you that gamers playing at space piracy don't begin to compare.
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