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Zealota
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 13:57:00 -
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Fellow pilots,
It has recently come to my attention after a short break from the game that ôPrivateer Allianceö has unjustifiably declared war on Eve University. They need your helpà
As a supporter of the tremendous work this entity does for the eve community I was tortured to learn of this 5-week+ ongoing war. Therefore, to investigate the matters further I proceeded by contacting a few respectable diplomats from the Eve University who were extremely helpful and honest in explaining the current state of affairs regarding the war and the events leading to them, they even showed me strong evidence (fraps, logs, screenshots, neutral eye witness accounts etc.) to support their stories.
To build a more accurate picture of the truth (two sides to a story) I contacted diplomats from Privateer Alliance to determine their version of events leading to the declaration. Now, as a neutral un-biased party, simply curious, I was extremely shocked and disgusted the way Privateer Alliance responded to my simple, friendly and honest questions. Childish smack talk, constant insults, arrogance, incoherent sorties with different versions of events, lack of ANY evidence to support statements and even hints of propaganda to cover up the fact they are simply doing it out of bitterness.
Privateer AllianceÆs management claim: ôThe war was justified because of the fact we had been receiving vast amounts of player complaints of unprovoked attacks/killings of our members by Eve University pilots despite a NAP and negotiation efforts to simply resolve the matter by talkö to this statement I have a few things say:
1) When I simply asked you to provide me with 2 kills from your kill board suggesting this statement to be true, you explained to me that I should ôF**K Offö and ôStay out of your businessö. After intensive investigation of my own I could not find ONE kill suggesting an unprovoked attack, yet Eve University provided me 3 kill mails within 15minutes of me asking, proving you had been attacking them in low sec during the NAP and long before all of your ôsupposedö events. Did they declare war on you? Did they even batter an eyelid? Did they give you the benefit of the doubt?
2) After interviewing numerous pilots within the Privateer Alliance more then half explained to me that not only did you never engage in active negotiations with Eve University (which they would have happily condoned/preferred to resolve the non existent matter) but you did it out from lack of ôwar targetsö at the time due to a ôdry spellö then proceeded to cover this up with propaganda of ôunprovokedö attacks. The same pilots that revealed this truth to me also told me they strongly disagreed with the war and regret the leaders poor decision-making. 3) Eve University have told me they are willing to listen to your demands and even negotiate with you to bring a swift end to this pointless war, therefore, if you were willing to ônegotiateö ôto simply resolve the matter by talkö at the build-up to this war, why now do you persist in ignore a summoning of leaders to iron out the problems?
With over half of Privateer Alliances members lacking respect and support for their leaders this strongly suggest to me that the Alliance decision makers within privateers need to resign and someone with more vision, honesty and diplomatic skill implemented immediately.
I fully back Eve University on this matter, what reason what they have to lie? I have heard and reviewed stories/evidence from both parties that suggested they were telling the truth. I couldnÆt determine the reason for the Privateer AllianceÆs consistent belief in its lies, but I do know I have recently lost all respect for them.
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Zealota
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 13:58:00 -
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This war is literally crippling Eve University! Hundreds of new players have left (not only the University but EVE itself), billions of ISK has been lost, teaching schedules ruined, FC and other top figureheads leaving! They are on their last legs and in desperate need of your support! I personally cannot believe this has been allowed to happen, such a great organisation forged for new players out of good/wanting to help the community. Privateers are scum for doing this! Would you con a charity for money in real life? NO, so why do it here?
I propose a fund for Eve University; donate what you can (however small). I will act as an honest 3rd party financial holder for the donations, working with Eve University to arrange ships, modules, mercenary support and whatever else is needed to keep them going until the war has blown over. DonÆt stand by and let this amazing organisation disappear from EVE due to some primitive empire piratesà
Thank you for your support.
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.17 13:59:00 -
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Corp tickers are overrated.
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Souisa
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:00:00 -
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again ?
i think its a good lesson for the students.. privateers are learning them a lesson
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Lasakywa
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:05:00 -
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Copy your post, berore your get "snip". And put your alliance/corp ticker
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Zealota
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:13:00 -
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Thank you for your post, it has been a while since i have posted so my "setting" were not upto date. I can confirm this is a main charater and i have been playing EVE for 4 years as a trader.
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Prontifex
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:13:00 -
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hit me up in game |
Alfred Spangler
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:19:00 -
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Its a shame that recruiting is closed atm, obviously because of the wardecs. So no EVE Uni for me atm .
Need a sig? Mail me ingame.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:23:00 -
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<GASPS> I stand naked before the whole of Eve (which for an old fart such as I am is nasty)
Blame J'inn from Shiva, I am nothing more that a puppet in his hands.
Hooch, exposed to all
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
BC Hastings
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: BC Hastings on 17/05/2008 14:35:19 Edited by: BC Hastings on 17/05/2008 14:33:04 Edited by: BC Hastings on 17/05/2008 14:23:57 IBTL.
Just a quick answer from the Leader of the Privateer Alliance. There is no reason to my deccing of Uni. There is no pretense of deccing them because such and such died in low sec. at their hands. I could care less. I decced them because I wanted to. I decced them because I can. Let's not clutter all this with crap that never happened. You never have contacted me and we have no diplomats. I am the sole reason Ivy is dying.
If Eve wants to blame someone then blame me. It's my fault. I am the privateer management. I don't have a NAP with anyone. If pilots revealed to you that they are unhappy have no obligation to stay with the alliance. They can come and go as they please, with no delay. If you are totally behind the IVY Join them and we will kill you to. If not the STFU. Simple as that.
Oh and as for not negotiating with Ivy before I decced them. I don't negotiate. I make demands.
Respectfully,
BC Hastings "Beat me if you can. Survive if I let you!"
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zealota Thank you for your post, it has been a while since i have posted so my "setting" were not upto date. I can confirm this is a main charater and i have been playing EVE for 4 years as a trader.
Ok sweet just confirming we send donations to the unknown npc corp alt then as opposed to directly to the uni?
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OVERCOPES 1
Amarr B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:26:00 -
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My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Sorry could'nt resist
Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P |
Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:31:00 -
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So what seems to be the problem?
Eve war is fun. Just cause EVE-Uni is noob friendly should not be an excuse to not get shot. On the contrary, it provides a great excuse and an "Easy" target.
So in short: Boo hoo hoo!
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zealota Thank you for your post, it has been a while since i have posted so my "setting" were not upto date. I can confirm this is a main charater and i have been playing EVE for 4 years as a trader.
Right, and I wanna pony for Christmas...
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:32:00 -
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So what your saying is that the privateers alliance provide better training than Eve uni and Eve uni are ****
Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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Interval
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:35:00 -
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The situation she describes is shown in this comic. |
Roccia19
Caldari Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:36:00 -
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Hmm, the Racketeers beat the Privateers last fall & EVE University basically fought RAK to a drawl twice now logic would make it that EVE Uni could at least hold up to the privateers with their 40 man ecm gangs.
And to be honest in no way was your statement unbiased.
Things that are too good to be true are not meant to last forever...with that said I would have thought that Eve Uni would have called upon some allies to bail them out if they really couldn't hold their own. [ |
Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:55:00 -
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Ok, the way I remember this:
TRAPS decced a corp which promptly went and joined Eve University in order to hide behind a massive blob. Said blob materialized, prompting TRAPS to counter it by joining Privateers. A lot of smack erupted from the IVY-fanbois about how Privateers where going to get 'pwned'. After five weeks of war, IVY is falling apart, and said smacking fanbois are now crying for help on the forums.
Did I miss anything?
Bottom line: Don't let corps join that are wardecced unless you are 100% certain you can outlive the war.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Tommy Foofoo
Caldari Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:58:00 -
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TLDR Version:
Give me some money and I pinky-swear to send it to Eve University.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Ok, the way I remember this:
TRAPS decced a corp which promptly went and joined Eve University in order to hide behind a massive blob. Said blob materialized, prompting TRAPS to counter it by joining Privateers. A lot of smack erupted from the IVY-fanbois about how Privateers where going to get 'pwned'. After five weeks of war, IVY is falling apart, and said smacking fanbois are now crying for help on the forums.
Did I miss anything?
Bottom line: Don't let corps join that are wardecced unless you are 100% certain you can outlive the war.
HEY! Don't be all cluttering up this thread with real facts here mate!
You're runing all the fun
Hooch, you want the truth?
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
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Silentbrick
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:12:00 -
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Just to set a few things straight....
We are currently still winning by our killboard, the Uni isn't falling apart and we have not asked our allies for help or brought the war to the attention of CAOD on purpose. While yes, alot of our industrialist, mission runner and miner types of students left, the hard core of PVP pilots remains. Classes are still taught, though with a PVP focus and despite the futile attempts of infiltrators to cause dissension, morale is up.
So, if it is your desire to help Eve University in some way, then I suggest that you contact us in game through our Diplomats: Dierdra Vaal and Shalroth to name a couple and talk with them on ways to help if that's your wish.
As always, Alliance members are not to post on this Forum via mains or alts, as it only feeds the sub-humans like BC Hastings and his pack of trolls. They simply aren't worth the effort and smack talk has no value.
Silentbrick Fleet Admiral, Ivy League Deranged Carebear
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Sionide
Minmatar THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Ok, the way I remember this:
TRAPS decced a corp which promptly went and joined Eve University in order to hide behind a massive blob. Said blob materialized, prompting TRAPS to counter it by joining Privateers. A lot of smack erupted from the IVY-fanbois about how Privateers where going to get 'pwned'. After five weeks of war, IVY is falling apart, and said smacking fanbois are now crying for help on the forums.
Did I miss anything?
Seems about right as far as I know.
Can't believe the OP missed this in his/her "research."
=== In Eve, never bring a knife to a knife fight.
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Lea Re
Caldari Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
As always, Alliance members are not to post on this Forum via mains or alts, as it only feeds the sub-humans like BC Hastings and his pack of trolls. They simply aren't worth the effort and smack talk has no value.
Silentbrick Fleet Admiral, Ivy League Deranged Carebear
the drama continues....
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:33:00 -
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I thought I read Zelota. I was wrong.
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Zealota
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:43:00 -
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ôThere is no reason to my deccing of Uni. There is no pretense of deccing them because such and such died in low sec. at their hands. I could care less. I decced them because I wanted to. I decced them because I can. Let's not clutter all this with crap that never happenedö Actually, evidence suggest you are contradicting yourself, if you refer back to previous post explaining your position on why the war was going ahead it explains you did it because of a broken NAP, therefore you are lying. (I would post link but I couldnÆt find it at this time)
ôOh and as for not negotiating with Ivy before I decced them. I don't negotiate. I make demandsö Ok, you make ôdemandsö. Well if Eve University are happy to accept your ôdemandsö is that also know as negotiating? You make demands then donÆt allow them to be accepted?
ôIf Eve wants to blame someone then blame me. It's my fault. I am the privateer managementö At least you can admit your own faults; good to know youÆre a man about something.
ôYou never have contacted me and we have no diplomatsö You are right about me selecting ôdiplomatö as the wrong word, I should have changed that to Privateer Alliance contact. But saying I never contacted you is simply no true, I have logs proving otherwise which I will happily post if you like?
ôIf pilots revealed to you that they are unhappy have no obligation to stay with the allianceö That is true, but so is the fact two of your member corps have recently left because of this issue. Like it or not, its FACT.
ôIf you are totally behind the IVY Join them and we will kill you toö I do not pretend I am a good pvper, I simply play this game to trade but donÆt get me wrong I will be using the player donations to fund mercs who are better fighters than yourself. DonÆt believe me? Look at the Atomic battle penguin / omniscient order kill board statistics. Expect at least 5 + weeks of fighting with them as you have done to Eve University.
ôRespectfullyö Pfff, I hope your next S**T is a hedgehog. |
NoNameNewbie
Caldari Raynor Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I thought I read Zelota. I was wrong.
aye .o> same here :D
i miss his posts :s
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Zealota
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.17 15:52:00 -
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As for the rest of the Privateer Alliance posts, I expected as much from you! You belittle the original points conveyed and force people into childish smack talk matches. Most of EVE agree with me when I say, CanÆt you just find some quiet place to die?
ôSub-humans like BC Hastings and his pack of trolls. They simply aren't worth the effort and smack talk has no valueö
Well put Silentbrick, I couldnÆt agree more. Good to see you standing up for yourself!
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Mr. Orange
Gallente Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2008.05.17 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zealota This war is literally crippling Eve University! Hundreds of new players have left (not only the University but EVE itself), billions of ISK has been lost, teaching schedules ruined, FC and other top figureheads leaving! They are on their last legs and in desperate need of your support! I personally cannot believe this has been allowed to happen, such a great organisation forged for new players out of good/wanting to help the community. Privateers are scum for doing this!Would you con a charity for money in real life? NO, so why do it here?
I propose a fund for Eve University; donate what you can (however small). I will act as an honest 3rd party financial holder for the donations, working with Eve University to arrange ships, modules, mercenary support and whatever else is needed to keep them going until the war has blown over. DonÆt stand by and let this amazing organisation disappear from EVE due to some primitive empire piratesà
Thank you for your support.
Nice scam attempt there Zealota, you sure put enough effort into this lil post here. Bit of reverse psych to get people sending you isk.
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: zealota With over half of Privateer Alliances members lacking respect and support for their leaders this strongly suggest to me that the Alliance decision makers within privateers need to resign and someone with more vision, honesty and diplomatic skill implemented immediately.
I TOTALLY agree ... I've lost all respect AFTER week 2 ... I'm sick of upper levels making me wear this dress DURING extended gate camps ... I WILL NOT sit in Hooch's lap anymore WHILE pvping
Thanks,
PB
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.05.17 16:16:00 -
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"Hey, look at me, i can bully some newbies for more than 4 weeks straight!"
Does any of you have any idea how ridiculous you look?
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