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Yong Chiu Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:30:00 - [1] After playing this game for a few years I feel that Eve generally (there are always exceptions) has quite a few intelligent people playing. You have to have a little something to play this game or understand half of what is actually going on, or to understand how the game can be played. Now I have recently seen threads consisting of one player mentioning that another player was attacked and due to not knowing the mechanics of this game he lost out. Bad luck. Pure and simple. I had some wits about me when I started, I used to get upset at losing ships/clones/modules or other items "that I had worked hard for". But the worst part of it is this player decides to take the moral high ground and start saying (in his honest opinion) that it is a sad occupation/waste of time/griefing or whatever you want to call it. Point is that this game allows anyone to explore possibilities that simply are not in the real world. Fine it may not be morally correct, but then show me any nation or person that is 100% morally correct and I will drop this like a hot potato (Popes or mothers excepted due to non-governmental status). We all play this game to have fun, if you are not having fun you simply don't belong here. Yes I agree it is not something that I would personally do but I have been known to pop a noob frigate here and there purely because it was funny at the time. I am by no means a pirate either, I do have some good days and I also have bad, like any human being. Sometimes seeing a noob popping (non-derogatory reference) can alleviate massive frustration, bigger fish > smaller fish. Nothing more. It can be done so it is. Why must we have people questioning other players mental capabilities purely on the basis of how said person plays, considering how it doesn't fit into their playstyle? I am sorry but I feel rather insulted on behalf of that person that was popping newer players. Perhaps he could have recruited said person to work with him, train him and have him work with him in the future. Perhaps not. Whatever. I will finish on these words; Do not judge lest ye be judged. Remember these words. If you see this message it means that ThaMa Gebir forgot to check which char. he was posting with again.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/05/2008 13:40:09 I once read some statistics about the Black and White game where you can choose to be either good or evil and it doesnt punish you for being evil like most games do. Still, more than 80% of players never committed evil acts in the game according to internal stats on the online servers. So I guess most of us want to be good even when we dont have to. --- Its dead, Jim.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:53:00 - [3] Unfortunately it's very easy to draw (quite often incorrect) parallels between a person's real-life persona and the one they project into the game. Good roleplayers particularly suffer from this, as they play the role well regardless of their feelings on the matter if it were real life. I would point out the rather unfortunate interaction between your thread's title (using the word moron) and your last statement (judge not lest ye be judged). Sounds like the people you are complaining about are not the only ones judging. There is also the more difficult issue of what is 'fun'. One person's fun may be another's boredom, and for better or worse, EVE caters to a wide variety of play-styles. It is perhaps the most important thing a new player in EVE can learn that what they view as important and fun in EVE may be totally irrelevant and boring to another player, but that doesn't stop both being relevant to the game as a whole. If I were going to be judgemental myself, it's that when people do things that could be considered immoral or unfair in EVE, they have an unfortunate tendency to smack or otherwise make themselves appear superior. If they instead took the time to make it clear that they too are an intelligent human being, just with different goals, perhaps more respect and less whines would occur. ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc Black-Out	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/05/2008 13:40:09 I once read some statistics about the Black and White game where you can choose to be either good or evil and it doesnt punish you for being evil like most games do. Still, more than 80% of players never committed evil acts in the game according to internal stats on the online servers. So I guess most of us want to be good even when we dont have to. WHAT?? thats sooo a lie, it can only be true if alts are included. I dont know ANYONE that hasnt done a bit of pirating when bored before, its good fun really, seeing that destroyer with no mods and cargo expanders die in two volleys gives a great feeeling and a nice km x) I dont ussually pirate, but i will, this make sup what..90% of the zero sec goers in eve? and yes some missioners have never pirated, but last time i checked, they werent 80% of EVE "The assymetrical horrors of the motherland will rise, the mechanical beasts will depart from the dark, we will not perish, we will not fail. The Reign of the Caldari State is nigh."
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:57:00 - [5] BiggestT, Jim was talking about B&W stats, not EVE-O stats. __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:05:00 - [6] My basic point is that it seems people cannot see that morals are not and should not be in a game like this. Everyone is entitled to their morality but it is downright ludicrous (sp?) to expect that in an open sandbox game such as this people will take on and effectively worship your morals. The first three posters I heavily agree with. It can be like that doesn't mean it is like that, but you cannot expect it to be like that. (Replace that with situation of choice). Yes this is my main, I forgot to check my settings earlier. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc Black-Out	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T BiggestT, Jim was talking about B&W stats, not EVE-O stats. Ahh well my last post = FAIL then. But yeah, EVE tends to be like an evil-encouraging game, i remember when asking why people pod eachother as a noob, coz u get no benefit from podding some1 else. When i was told "because its fun, and u get a kill mail" i was like "whaaaaaaaaaat?!?! thats sooooooo mean, these people have no soul!" But then i went to lowsec coz a corp was there that i joined, sure enough, there i am in a rokh, using fighters to blow up some dudes hughin...well..that was fun!.. So then the urge to kill everything and everyone that u see as easy pickings is on, its not personal it just beats the hell outta missioning all the time! Then we decide to go to 0.0 and learn more about pvp, and become ruthless cold killers with no soul, but to shoot every last bastard on this god-forsaken game... But yeah, thats how the majority of pvpers devolop imo, morals cant really be entailed into the design..Mind you, i still have one moral: never pod in low sec. But far be it from being nice, im just making sure i can go to high sec when i want "The assymetrical horrors of the motherland will rise, the mechanical beasts will depart from the dark, we will not perish, we will not fail. The Reign of the Caldari State is nigh."
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:20:00 - [8] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Akita T BiggestT, Jim was talking about B&W stats, not EVE-O stats. ...Mind you, i still have one moral: never pod in low sec. But far be it from being nice, im just making sure i can go to high sec when i want Good a reason as any I suppose... ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Soulita on 18/05/2008 14:21:16 "12.11 What is grief play? A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." - EVE FAQ So, in general, if you blow up stuff, there is no problems. If you play and act to "making othersÆ lives miserable" as your main profession, you can be warned, temp or perma banned for it. It is a misconception that CCP endorses this kind of playstyle.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Soulita So, in general, if you blow up stuff, there is no problems. If you play and act to "making others’ lives miserable" as your main profession, you can be warned, temp or perma banned for it. With the caveat that you CAN make other people's lives miserable as long as there's a possibility of personal gain, and you do it all within the rest of the game rules So, for instance, indiscriminate ganking at lowsec gates is ok... repeatedly killing some guy that enters lowsec and keeps trying is ok... wardeccing a newbie corp until they pay a ransom is ok... baiting fresh newbies IN the newbie starter systems is not ok __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards (NEW: spreadsheet) Or just vote for LaVista Vista or Leandro Salazar like I did.

Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:25:00 - [11] Originally by: BiggestT its good fun really, seeing that destroyer with no mods and cargo expanders die in two volleys gives a great feeeling and a nice km So that was you, was it? (kidding as the km would have said, but it sounds eerily familiar, from my first days in EVE). ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Akita T With the caveat that you CAN make other people's lives miserable as long as there's a possibility of personal gain, and you do it all within the rest of the game rules I would like to agree, but from personal experience I can tell you that is a thin line, and what you say is unfortunatly not always true.
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.18 16:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/05/2008 13:40:09 I once read some statistics about the Black and White game where you can choose to be either good or evil and it doesnt punish you for being evil like most games do. Still, more than 80% of players never committed evil acts in the game according to internal stats on the online servers. So I guess most of us want to be good even when we dont have to. i tried playing it as a good god for 4 times and by the time i got on the third island my hand was as evil as it could get my my creature had black "stink-lines" on it stupid character limit
Iriana McNuke	Posted - 2008.05.18 16:57:00 - [14] Well, there is black, white and there is also grey. No one is a saint, but even in a game you can draw a line between good and evil or between something you should and should not do. Is up to every person to extend (or not) the RL morals in a MMO. Maybe in RL I'm not a very... umm... moral person, but at least in games I try to be. ... and wipe those smiles from your faces, some kind of balance must be kept, right? ----------------------------------------------- Do you think RL sux? Come and play Eve.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:19:00 - [15] Originally by: BiggestT Mind you, i still have one moral: never pod in low sec. But far be it from being nice, im just making sure i can go to high sec when i want This, of course, makes it just a benefit/drawback calculation, and NOT a rule based on morals, NOT "a moral", as you say.
George Jackson	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:23:00 - [16] Griefers always win. Because usually the victims start ranting in local and local turns on them, instead of the griefer. In summary, just roll over and play dead.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Iriana McNuke Maybe in RL I'm not a very... umm... moral person, but at least in games I try to be. ... and wipe those smiles from your faces, some kind of balance must be kept, right? Heh, that's a new one. Atoning for ones RL sins in an online game. I never thought of that before, so I thank you for bringing it up. Awesome concept. I'm gonna go bug my psychologist friend with this bit. And I agree with you, balance can be a good thing.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Yong Chiu Fine it may not be morally correct, but then show me any nation or person that is 100% morally correct and I will drop this like a hot potato (Popes or mothers excepted due to non-governmental status). First one would have to decide what is morally correct and what's not. Since it's all subjective, everyone can claim that whatever they do is 100% morally correct.
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Soulita "12.11 What is grief play? A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." - EVE FAQ So, in general, if you blow up stuff, there is no problems. If you play and act to "making othersÆ lives miserable" as your main profession, you can be warned, temp or perma banned for it. It is a misconception that CCP endorses this kind of playstyle. Yes, but that is still a grey area surely? AK.
PuncherDavis	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:49:00 - [20] What i think you are forgetting to take into consideration is people are raised to behave a certain way and have certain choices put before them and also taught a moral value. To expect a person to play a game and go counter to the ingrained MORAL value they have been taught their whole lives is just plain DUMB. People in game and out of game are going to apply RL life to game scenarios and some apply Game scenarios to work out real life problems. Is it a bit nuts YES IS it acceptable has to be. Does it complicate things.YEs. Can it be taken out of context and used as a hammer to beat somebody down and be judgemental YES. Can it also be used to maintain a balance YES. See what you are forgetting is that people have to have some kind of STRUCTURE of ideals beliefs and systematic understanding of thier enviorment. PEOPLE do not work well in a fully chaotic system. THEY will as best they can attempt to apply as much structure as they can to make it the most MORAL and relevant part of their RL and Game play as possible. Trying to seperate RL and MMO as black and white is deluded and a road better not traveled. What people forget is that EVE is literally an ONLINE NATION. Yes its fake pixels but people interact and do all the things online that they wish and or do in RL Id suggest having a much broader scope of the social/political/religious implications that individual people bring to a game then trying to shoe horn it into the box of its a MMO it should not be so. Wont work and never has worked that way

Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:52:00 - [21] Well, there are several forces at work here. First are morals. Morals are not something found in a book mind you, and they are relative. Relative to who you are, the time you live, the community you live in, etc. These are social factors. This is a classic example ive used in many arguments to great effect as an example of morals, and how theyre relative. If you cannot be an adult, dont read it. Please leave your emotional reactions out of it. *** EXAMPLE * For example, you may think it is wrong to have sex with a woman under the age of 18, but who has already gone through puberty. This could be anywhere between the age of 12 and 15. Some even believe it to be the most disgusting thing ever heard. (Going so far as to change the common modern day lexicon to further their morals on other people, by this i refer to the difference between Pedophile and Pediaphile. First means "YOUNGER THAN" the second means, "prepubescent" For example, what does a Pediatrician do?) Now.. Many other parts of the world, infact the large number of, uh, everywhere and everytime never held the belief that there is some "magical" age you can have sex at. For example, the average marrying age for a Female in Medieval Europe was 13, Males was about 15 (the age for males marrying varied depending on many factors including war) Another example, you can relate you, a Bar mitzvah. What does this indicate? At 13 years old, the Jewish male child is considered a man. Can hold land, can marry and own. 13? A far cry from 18. Another: Quincea±era. The time in which a Mexican (and prior, Aztec) girl becomes a woman. At 15 years old. * END EXAMPLE ** (ok i cut it short) So as you can see, Morals are relative, and differ by many things, culture, location, the time in which they live, even outside forces such as war, famine, etc. Also, breaking the morals of the community has consequences. Real Consequences. What happens if you murder someone? What happens? It varies from location to location does it not? Stealing, some its a minor sentence to jail for a few years, some places they cut off your hand, others they flog you, others you even lose your life. Rape? Some places its jail time, some the kill you, in others, its completely acceptable. I could go on. Morality is relative. What we have in Eve, and no doubt, other MMORPGs or any game for that matter, is the application of peoples Morals onto that game, which differs from their own. They attempt to bring their moral views into their virtual character, as to become themselves. (Other very good papers about this exist, including choosing of Avatars based on what you appear to be beautiful, hence the many female avatars, but lack of female players, and to protect myself, This char is only female due to a bug... but I digress) Since most games are just an hour or two (Black and White as an example brought up earlier) there isnt time to form a Community within the game, nor interact with others. There is no "melting pot" of morality between many peoples in this micro enviroments. But In eve, we do have time to form communities, we have time for our individual moralities to merge into a greater consciouses and form new Morals. Someone hit it on the head when they said, "Podding is a Cowardly act". I have heard this on many occasions. I recruit from empire, and nearly everyone Ive recruited, whos a REAL newbie, not an alt, has said this at one time. This is an example of their moral views they are trying to impose onto this environment. What about older players? Those who have been here for a year or more, what do they say? Podding is fine is it not? Except for low-sec when you need to keep your sec status up. Now, add all this together and take into account not "real" consequences for our actions inside our micro environment, and we have EvE. Where nothing is sacred, and there is no police boogymen to come get you and make you stop playing for a sentence for a crime.
Gwendion Gallente No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Gwendion on 18/05/2008 17:53:36 Stupid character limit. It escapes me who, but someones signature says it best. "Concord provides Consequences, not Protection" i think that statement alone says it all. ------------------------------------------------------ Its not so much theyre a moron, they just dont have the same Morals as we do... yet.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:53:00 - [23] Some games and MMO's get into gray areas. It's entirely possible to do things in game which pretty much mean that YOU, as in you, the actual real person, are a jerk... But this is mostly because of the myriad ways you can lie, swindle, and screw others over - which is totally allowed within the rules of the game. I have no problem with it, seeing as I can shoot back. It's like there is a difference you can tell between someone who is RPing or just making a living, and someone who is an arse. Vent and TS seem to help make the distinction. Just being a pirate, or merc or terrorist, or whatever, does not in itself guarantee this, however - I've known carebear pilots who are despicable people.
Zobiana	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:37:00 - [24] I believe the OP is refering to a post I made earlier this week about some year old plus character killing a noob of 6 days of age, and then bragging he was doing it because it was "fun" and he couldn't find "anything better to do". I still think the guy was and is an absolute ass for doing it, but I accept that thats his thing, and within the game mechanics, he's allowed to be just such an ass. I was raised religious, even going into seminary. Sometime those moral values (don't harm anyone) still rear their heads within me and come out in the oddest places ( a PvP encouraged game ). I was initially "outraged" by this guys actions, but after many posts, thinking it over and a few discussions with some people in game, I am not "outraged" by it anymore, I just feel the guys an ass, and have left it at that, gone on to do my own thing, and figure some day he'll run across my main in 0.4 or lower and I'll collect his corpse and give it to the newb he killed. Even "fallen preachers" can plot revenge lol. Z
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Yong Chiu After playing this game for a few years I feel that Eve generally (there are always exceptions) has quite a few intelligent people playing. You have to have a little something to play this game or understand half of what is actually going on, or to understand how the game can be played. Now I have recently seen threads consisting of one player mentioning that another player was attacked and due to not knowing the mechanics of this game he lost out. Bad luck. Pure and simple. I had some wits about me when I started, I used to get upset at losing ships/clones/modules or other items "that I had worked hard for". But the worst part of it is this player decides to take the moral high ground and start saying (in his honest opinion) that it is a sad occupation/waste of time/griefing or whatever you want to call it. Point is that this game allows anyone to explore possibilities that simply are not in the real world. Fine it may not be morally correct, but then show me any nation or person that is 100% morally correct and I will drop this like a hot potato (Popes or mothers excepted due to non-governmental status). We all play this game to have fun, if you are not having fun you simply don't belong here. Yes I agree it is not something that I would personally do but I have been known to pop a noob frigate here and there purely because it was funny at the time. I am by no means a pirate either, I do have some good days and I also have bad, like any human being. Sometimes seeing a noob popping (non-derogatory reference) can alleviate massive frustration, bigger fish > smaller fish. Nothing more. It can be done so it is. Why must we have people questioning other players mental capabilities purely on the basis of how said person plays, considering how it doesn't fit into their playstyle? I am sorry but I feel rather insulted on behalf of that person that was popping newer players. Perhaps he could have recruited said person to work with him, train him and have him work with him in the future. Perhaps not. Whatever. I will finish on these words; Do not judge lest ye be judged. Remember these words. post with your main or get out ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Zobiana	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Yong Chiu I will finish on these words; Do not judge lest ye be judged. Remember these words. That only applies if you still believe in that particular religion. I gave it up for lent. Z
Luh Windan Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:04:00 - [27] Originally by: BiggestT WHAT?? thats sooo a lie, it can only be true if alts are included. I dont know ANYONE that hasnt done a bit of pirating when bored before, its good fun really, Don't judge others by your own standards. The closest I got was to fit up a ship for PvP and headed out into lowsec to look for some pirate action. However when push came to shove I just could not attack someone who wasn't looking for it for no reason. I have no problem with PvP or anything else. I also understand that others can and will pirate, gank , thieve and scam (and have no problem with that either) but it ain't for me.... And to the OP - The Pope 100% morally correct? An interesting assertion.
Zobiana	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Zobiana on 19/05/2008 06:29:34 Edited by: Zobiana on 19/05/2008 06:25:34 Originally by: Luh Windan And to the OP - The Pope 100% morally correct? An interesting assertion. I would say, the pope is human, therefore he can make mistakes, in ANY area (including religion). But then, I have come to have an exceptionally low opinion of religion as a whole, of any kind, and my thoughts and feelings here are biased and colored by that. Z
Research Associate	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Research Associate on 19/05/2008 06:35:38 I see what you did there Originally by: Gwendion Well, there are several forces at work here. First are morals. Morals are not something found in a book mind you, and they are relative. Relative to who you are, the time you live, the community you live in, etc. These are social factors. This is a classic example ive used in many arguments to great effect as an example of morals, and how theyre relative. If you cannot be an adult, dont read it. Please leave your emotional reactions out of it. [stuff] There are no 'gray areas' when it comes to God's will. You can find morals in a book; its called the Bible. If God says having sex with kids under 18 is wrong then its wrong. Making a story or "example you've used to great effect" won't make it any less wrong. No amount of cultural relativism or liberal lies is going to get you out of that. I'm sorry I couldn't help myself. And since you posted with an alt I suppose I will too.
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc Black-Out	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: BiggestT Mind you, i still have one moral: never pod in low sec. But far be it from being nice, im just making sure i can go to high sec when i want This, of course, makes it just a benefit/drawback calculation, and NOT a rule based on morals, NOT "a moral", as you say. thats what i was getting at. So im saying that its not really a moral as a joke.. someone needs to buy a sarcasm detector "The assymetrical horrors of the motherland will rise, the mechanical beasts will depart from the dark, we will not perish, we will not fail. The Reign of the Caldari State is nigh."

Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:10:00 - [31] What the hell do morals have to do with playing a game? (I mean, as long as you're following the game rules and not cheating/exploiting in any way.)
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Jim McGregor I once read some statistics about the Black and White game where you can choose to be either good or evil and it doesnt punish you for being evil like most games do. Still, more than 80% of players never committed evil acts in the game according to internal stats on the online servers. So I guess most of us want to be good even when we dont have to. Thats because the game looked a lot better when you're a good god and your villagers tend to live longer so you get more use out of them. My alignment was 100% good but i quite happily threw villagers off cliffs for ****s and giggles and exterminating enemy villages so you can repopulate them with your own people also beats conquering it. -----
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Hannobaal What the hell do morals have to do with playing a game? (I mean, as long as you're following the game rules and not cheating/exploiting in any way.) exactly, makes no sense to me how some people can apply real life morals to a virtual game guide to game time codes
Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries	Posted - 2008.05.19 08:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Leora Nomen Originally by: Hannobaal What the hell do morals have to do with playing a game? (I mean, as long as you're following the game rules and not cheating/exploiting in any way.) exactly, makes no sense to me how some people can apply real life morals to a virtual game This ^^ Any game involving guns is "immoral" if you make the link to RL.. Relating to RL is a big no-no for computergames, since it doesn't have to reflect how you are in RL. My clan mainly consist of higher educated people, teachers, directors, security managers, and we "kick ass" during weekends to get a bit steam off. Does that mean we're like that in RL? No. When people dare to link to RL, they should stop playing games, as they can't keep those 2 apart. It will hurt them IRL, and I think those are the people who beat up their children because they lost a ship :P
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Yong Chiu .... post with your main or get out Can I suggest you actually read the last lines on that post... Oh sorry, you don't seem to have the sense to look further than the nose on your face. I will spell it out for you. "If you see this message it means ThaMa Gebir forgot to check with which character he was posting with again." Seems kinda simple when I even mentioned it later on with my second post. ---------------------------- Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........ Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.19 21:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/05/2008 13:40:09 I once read some statistics about the Black and White game where you can choose to be either good or evil and it doesnt punish you for being evil like most games do. Still, more than 80% of players never committed evil acts in the game according to internal stats on the online servers. So I guess most of us want to be good even when we dont have to. My hand was red and pointy in less than a week () () (â;..;)â (")(")

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