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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.12 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alyx Farstrider The goal is not "maximise ISK/h". The goal is typically "maximise both ISK/h and fun/h with an acceptible exchange rate between ISK and fun". Some people find mission running fun. Some people find ratting fun. Some people find manufacturing fun. Some people find micromanaging buy/sell orders fun. Each to their own, that's how EVE's market seems to work.
Very well put
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The mineral/moonstuff balance || *THE* nanofix
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SysFin
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Posted - 2008.07.12 14:47:00 -
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Here is the most recent version of the mining guide. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434899
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Bufo8o2
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Posted - 2008.07.12 15:50:00 -
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Another point of "dubious morality", if you see someone suicide ganked outside a station have a look in their cargo; it is often worth piking it up if you can get into a station immediately afterwards (to be safe from their corp). Couple of days ago made 87 million isk when I picked up 20,000 units of megacyte and some techII kit from one in jita.
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Alyx Farstrider
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Posted - 2008.07.12 16:47:00 -
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"Dubious morality" maybe, but few people would hate you for that. In fact, given how much people hate suicide gankers, I think anything that would stand to make them less profit (stealing their loot) would be widely lauded.
I'll have to try that sometime
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Zapsus
Amarr Tritanium Transportations R.H.I.N.O.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:56:00 -
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Good afternoon Akita T,
the following Quotes are efficient for making 0%-10% profit increase in the Mining profession.
1. You [will] make more [ISK], if you mined only the most valuable ore of the moment, sold all excess minerals and bought the rest from the market.
2. DO NOT bother with destroyers, the mining frigate is better faster. [A destroyer has 6 Mining Lasers and a Mining Frigate has 2 Mining Lasers. It follows, that a destroyer has a approximately 200% higher mining yield than a frigate.]
3. Always pick the thing that gives you MOST ISK PER CUBIC METER OF ORE MINED.
Yours sincerely, Zapsus
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Xelios Xarxes
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:03:00 -
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Pretty good guide for newbies. As far as mining goes and staring at a roid all day while being the prime target of griefers, I'll pass. Plenty of better, and more exciting ways to make ISK by anyone's standards.
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Ragnar Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.07.14 03:02:00 -
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Quote: 2.4. KILL MISSIONS
Well, what's there to be said ? Go in, kill stuff, optionally you might be asked to collect some item from one of the killed ships or structures and return it to the agent. Sounds simple, but it's also the most dangerous mission type around. At the same time, it's also the most lucrative type too, offering the greatest rewards both directly (ISK and Loyalty Points), but also indirectly, in form of bounties, loot, salvage, ocasionally tags or alloys instead of bounties... all from the wrecks of the destroyed enemies.
While the direct rewards (ISK and LP) might vary according to agent division, skills, standings and system security rating, all of the indirect rewards are almost identical (except for the normal randomness) for a certain mission. Also, the secondary/indirect rewards are usually much higher than the direct rewards, and because of that, highsec "kill mission" running is the favourite ISK-making activity of a lot of pod pilots. Another reason is that it only requires skills you could also use in PVP combat, so it's even more of an incentive.
There's a lot to be said about missions, skills you might need and so on and so forth, and I simply lack the space to even begin describing it. It is best if you head over the missions subforum and read the things in there, maybe ask your own questions too.
Even if pilots were able to complete some L4 missions solo in ships as small as assault frigates, they were experts, and it still took a long time. You usually want to fly a frigate only in L1s, a cruiser in L2s, a battlecruiser in L3s and battleships in L4s. It's not a strict rule, but more of a general guideline, and feel free to either experiment or ask around about alternatives.
It often gets asked which ship to use for each level. Generally, the easiest progression for the new player is the Caldari missile ship tree. Missiles are the easiest weapon to use with low skillpoints, having excellent range and stopping power despite low skills. In addition, they can do all damage types, so you can customize your damage to each rat's weakness. The progression of ships in this tree is as follows:
Frigate - Kestrel (use for lvl 1 missions) Cruiser - Caracal (use for lvl 2 missions) Battlecruiser - Drake (use for lvl 3 missions) Battleship - Raven (use for lvl 4 missions) Tech II/Faction - Caldari Navy Raven (CNR), Golem, Nighthawk (use for lvl 4 missions)
In following this path you can focus on missile skills for damage and shield skills for tank. YOu can ignore gunnery and armor tanking skills. Once you get to battlecruiser train your light drone skills. Add medium drone skills when you start to fly battleships. Use the tacked thread in the ships and modules section to get specific pve fits for each ship.
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Bai ZongTong
The Revolutionary Guard
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:34:00 -
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nice thread.
will show my friend who just joined. --- Want some YARRHHHS? The Revolutionary Guard Pirate Corp Looking for Members Uncensored KB |
Flash Bombardo
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Posted - 2008.07.18 07:43:00 -
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Hi,
I found this handy video guide to making money from the stockmarket in Eve:
Linkageness
It really helped me learn the basics of the market and how to make lots of fast ISK. I recommend it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Bombardo Stealth Rick Roll
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The mineral/moonstuff balance || *THE* nanofix
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Mikailraxan
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Posted - 2008.07.18 09:50:00 -
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You forgot pirating.
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.19 14:22:00 -
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One thing to consider when running kill missions - your social skills affect LP rewards, and amounts paid by agents for completing missions. You can convert LP to ISK by buying high value items (eg: Republic Fleet Ballistic Control) and selling them via contracts.
I'm fairly sure that bounties for killing NPCs are not affected by social skills.
My advice for PvE play is to move to bigger ships sooner - they have more firepower, more HP, more module slots to fitout your tank. This is the inverse of PvP where you want to become highly proficient at flying one hull size before moving to the next.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mikailraxan You forgot pirating.
Nope, right there on spot #10
Originally by: Mara Rinn My advice for PvE play is to move to bigger ships sooner - they have more firepower, more HP, more module slots to fitout your tank. This is the inverse of PvP where you want to become highly proficient at flying one hull size before moving to the next.
Yup, for PvE, your best bet is to rush through to a cruiser and L2 missions, then move on as fast as possible to L3 missions in a battlecruiser, or skip battlecruisers altogether and get in a battleship for L3 missions, then slowly prepare yourself for L4s. The only problem is that it really works well with missile and drone boats only, gunboats can be tricky when fast-tracking to higher tiers or levels.
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THE APPRENTICE || mineral balance || nanofix
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Marion Rendois
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Posted - 2008.07.30 01:48:00 -
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As for me, I'm making my money through hauling. Just this morning I made 150k ISK in five jumps just moving Pyerite around. The only risk was picking up the Pyerite from a station in 0.4 space. Yes, I'm only just getting started but hey, you have to start somewhere. That's more money than I would have made on a level 2 or 3 mission in the same amount of time.
I also fly a drone/salvager boat for friends' level 4 missions.
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Moliery
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Stealing ore (for a starter with a hauler it's good money) trading ninja salvaging high sec piracy
It's possible to steal with secure cargos ? no one use "simple" cargo mining today. too unsafe.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/07/2008 09:24:01
You can't anchor secure cans in 1.0 nor 0.9 for starters, so there you can always have an opportunity to steal ore if they don't always dock up after a full cargohold. Many people also assume setting a password is enough (or don't even know they have to set a password) and also forget to anchor the secure can... in which case, not only can you steal the contents, but you could actually steal the can too. Also, a secure can only holds (at best) 3900 m^3 of ore, so the hauler has to be present near the can before the miner mines more than that plus whatever he can hold in his own cargo, and you can't anchor two cans closer than 5 km from eachother IIRC, therefore many people STILL prefer to use jetcans.
Basically, saying "no one uses jetcan mining" is a gross exageration - a lot of people still jetcan mine, or use secure cans improperly. You just have to find those people.
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THE APPRENTICE || mineral balance || nanofix
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.25 16:54:00 -
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keepalive bump !
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VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! || Mission reward revamp || better nanofix |
Lady Aja
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.10.25 17:09:00 -
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Salvaging a lvl 4 missions runners left over bits or bteer helping him for a share... IE 50%, or loot plus salvage and hand over tags if the mission runner is a 0.0 mission runner. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.03 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 03/11/2008 08:27:42 If you want some easy and fast isk, go to minmater space and farm 2/10 angel plexes. You can do it in an assault frig, dessy or even a tanked frigate. In a dessy or frig you'll have to kill the rats so they don't kill you, in AF you can just fly, kill the structures and grab the loot. The loot is sweet like Gistii B-Type 1MN MWD - sells for 20-25 mil, Gistii B-Type 1MN AB - 3-4mil, Gistii B-Type shield booster ~6 mil, and remote shield booster which is worthless. Sometimes there is no loot, that can be annoying.
Know that the plexes are heavily farmed by a lot of people, so you need to be quick sometimes and fly a pvp fit :P There's also a chance for angel bpcs (Dramiel) and domination loot, but it looks like they've been nerfed since the FW patch. If you're "lucky" you just made ~50 mil in 5 minutes.
Send me some isk if this helps you.
sǝʎǝ ɹn ƃuıuınɹ `sɯnɹoɟ ɹn uı zı |
Lysianna
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:51:00 -
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Being smart is how you make ISK. That goes for missions, mining and etc. Great guide Akita T. HereÆs a little spoiler =)
Example
-Observe the market in a trade hub like Dodixie. I wouldnÆt try Jita since every pro traders have their eyes open there. Anyway, if you browse through the items, youÆll quickly notice that some stuff are being sold under the buy order. Some days youÆll make 500K isk, other days youÆll make a 50 million profits within 10 minutes of work. I wonÆt go into the details but all IÆll say is that if you pay attention and compared the sell and buy orders. You will be greatly surprise at timesà
ThatÆs only 1 example out of hundreds and Akita covered all the important basicsà Life in EVE is about finding your own way to make your income and survive. The more tricks you know, the better life becomes and with ISK you make ISK.
________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.03 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lysianna Being smart is how you make ISK. That goes for missions, mining and etc. Great guide Akita T. HereÆs a little spoiler =)
Example
-Observe the market in a trade hub like Dodixie. I wouldnÆt try Jita since every pro traders have their eyes open there. Anyway, if you browse through the items, youÆll quickly notice that some stuff are being sold under the buy order. Some days youÆll make 500K isk, other days youÆll make a 50 million profits within 10 minutes of work. I wonÆt go into the details but all IÆll say is that if you pay attention and compared the sell and buy orders. You will be greatly surprise at timesà
ThatÆs only 1 example out of hundreds and Akita covered all the important basicsà Life in EVE is about finding your own way to make your income and survive. The more tricks you know, the better life becomes and with ISK you make ISK.
I found this out in my first month of playing - Made my first million this way! But I've never seen it again after the first week..... But I've not gone out of y way to find these orders either.... Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Tranka Verrane
Caldari Public Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment
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Posted - 2008.11.03 22:49:00 -
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Incidentally if anyone prefers to have this as a reference ingame an IGB-compatible version can be found at:
http://pve-log.blogspot.com/2008/05/beginners-guide-to-making-isk.html
Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.26 04:00:00 -
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As a side-note, the best moments to make a killing trading are shortly before and a while after any major patch, as a lot of prices shift due to changes to the game environment : if new interesting ships are introduced, materials to build them go up, if some modules are boosted or nerfed, their price (especially the named ones) start adjusting in price sometimes even before the actual changes.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.26 06:38:00 -
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It's also well worth while keeping an eye on the "EVE Alliances" RSS feed. If you hear about massive loss of shipping (especially if people lose Titans), the price of Tritanium will rise quickly afterwards. Even Dreadnoughts require lots of Tritanium to replace.
As for those of "dubious ethics", it's worth noting that even people flying Hulks will mine into jetcans.
I'll reinforce the opinions already expressed about mining: (1) focus on mining the ore worth most per cubic metre, since mining lasers extract by cubic metre, and (2) train straight from frigate to Retriever.
Don't bother with the mining skills that aren't needed to get into a Retreiver - you'll get more bonus from using strip miners than from pimping out your frigate. Once you're in a Retriever, train straight for a Hulk. You'll gain more benefit from that third strip miner than pimping out your Retriever.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis You should put a bit more emphasis on salvaging. One Alloyed Tritanium Bar from an Angel Wreck will purchase and T1 fit any T1 frigate.
I couldn't agree more, and think this is a great way for newbs to make isk. I still do it when I have to make a few million real quick: Osprey, fit with a couple missile launchers, expanded cargoholds, a salvager, and you're on your way. One can easily make a few million isk in just a couple hours killing npc pirates and salvaging in .5 - .7
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.08 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
While annoying, it's a good thing too, since ore lost "accidentally" by not having enough cargo (auto-jetissoned in space without a can) is LOST.
this is incorrect. in the mission "bountiful banundine" or whatever it is, you need 4k of that ore, and there is 4k in the roid. i did a lost cycle as you describe, but still had 4k of the ore at the end of it. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.08 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 08/12/2008 23:44:06 Ninjasalvaging is quite possibly the most profitable profession for a new player, and is damn fun, so I think it needs a bit more emphasis.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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StarStryder
Zero-Hour
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Posted - 2008.12.09 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alyx Farstrider Edited by: Alyx Farstrider on 07/07/2008 09:58:48 Some people find mission running fun. Some people find ratting fun. Some people find manufacturing fun. Some people find micromanaging buy/sell orders fun.
Each to their own, that's how EVE's market seems to work.
I notice you didn't include mining in that list
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.01 09:38:00 -
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Roughly two months bump for keeping thread open
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Mirei Jun
Right to Rule
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Posted - 2009.02.02 05:02:00 -
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Still a great guide!
A few more new and interesting ways of making isk in Eve have come about due to player ingenuity. I'm sure we can expect more to occur as the Eve universe expands.
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