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Pah Triac
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:06:00 -
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Can you guy's tell me How, When and Where we can hear something about the 0.0 space expandings course we all know that the "availeble" space above the wild lands & cache is inbound of the CA and assoon as they see that the gates to there are open they'll be the 1st to be there.
i ask this course the amount of "free" 0.0 is schrinking quickly. (iff there is none already)
logical question since the "disk shape" universe is full and expansion in that direction is only giving the current alliances more play ground and upcomming wannabe alliances are stuck in empire. There 4 options left then (correct me i'ff im wrong) 1: creating a altenate universe that is going to be reached by a yet to be invented jump gate. 2:create more space in the width reacheble by jumpgates passingby the current 0.0 regions so current alliances are not directly filling them up. 3:'going up & down' creating new and free space on the Z axel (gives problems on the map overview) 4: create a new server I DONT LIKE THIS ONE
Also what are the possebileties of the current&upcomming hardware in combination with eve space expantions?
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:09:00 -
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Jove Space is going to open up eventually, and the first few weeks of its opening should have a ****load of fleet battles at its entrances
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:27:00 -
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hmmm, i was always thinking that that chunk of space on the map would only be reachable with jump drives, whenever those are implemented...
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:34:00 -
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Well I'd have to say that as much as I'd like to see jove space open up and new systems be discoverable...
I disagree about expanding space on the virtue that we are running out.
Granted I don't fly around 0.0 as much these days... So I don't see everything first hand like some alliance peeps do...
But I think what EVE needs is more player density in the systems it already has.
What CCP needs to do is give more value to various systems, constelations and regions both in and out of empire space, to encourage players to start squabbling over things even more and increase the chances a newb will be enticed to go to 0.0 space.
Right now we have enourmous allainces running 0.0 space... I love this! but i also think such alliances need to have some more pressure from corps and other alliances wanting to invade them.
We have allainces claiming entire regions of 0.0 space. Effectively making it so one corp/organization controls it.
But in terms of population density we haven't scratched the surface of what the space of EVE can handle.
Oh sure we have reached the limit of the servers, but thats not what I mean. What I mean is, more systems need more traffic and population.
So much of EVE is little more than just vast open stretches of undeveloped country side. I'd like to see a bit more overcrowding taking place other than just in the highway systems and near them before CCP expands the universe :)
Just my two ISK though.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Adarian Silverthorn
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:38:00 -
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Demangel, I totally agree. While systems like Yulai are always crowded, we need more of the whole feel of a large population in the game.
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Adarian Silverthorn
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Adarian Silverthorn on 01/05/2004 21:41:21 Argh, double post.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.01 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Deadflip2 on 01/05/2004 21:50:51 overpopulation is like a themepark, lines = irritation = im leaving!
so somehow space is gonna have to be expanded i agree, it was build on 5.000 ppl, now thats about dubbled. way to do it would be either a new galixy added (jumpgate idea). < problem itdd take ages for it to balance out over the jumpgated and non-jumpgated systems. added on the sides < empire space would need more as well then. jove space. < thisll be even more dangerous then 0.0 wont fix the prob. 3 dimensions insead of a disk < bad idea itll be way to unoverseeable , im already havign probs now sometimes --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! |
Pah Triac
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Posted - 2004.05.01 22:11:00 -
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More crouwd in the 0.0 systems will be a too huge overload on the server/service iff been in systems in 0.0 with a 20 ppl and the latency was overwelming and they CANNOT give all the system the same server strenght as Yulai wich can still be playeble with 250 ppl in the system.
there should be a Negative rating in the systems depending the 'richness' of the peticular system
1.0 noob space 0.4 shooting galery enabled 0.0 PK area -0.4 very rare ore/stations/BS rats -1.0 Jove/specials
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.05.01 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Deadflip2
overpopulation is like a themepark, lines = irritation = im leaving!
so somehow space is gonna have to be expanded i agree, it was build on 5.000 ppl, now thats about dubbled.
I don't know where you got the 5k number from, but that is totally wrong.
There are thousands of systems that never see more than a couple of people jumping though in a week. All we need are POSes and shiva and every one of them has the potential to be someones home.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.05.01 22:51:00 -
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Come to Tribute. Plenty of good, OPEN, space
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.01 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sphalerite
Originally by: Deadflip2
overpopulation is like a themepark, lines = irritation = im leaving!
so somehow space is gonna have to be expanded i agree, it was build on 5.000 ppl, now thats about dubbled.
I don't know where you got the 5k number from, but that is totally wrong.
There are thousands of systems that never see more than a couple of people jumping though in a week. All we need are POSes and shiva and every one of them has the potential to be someones home.
i know that... but theres no way ur making these palces be populated (to far from a station, little belts or some other reson...), sure theres are a bunch of exeptions, but not that many --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.05.02 01:54:00 -
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First they need to nerf the map and with that cut alliances down to size.
Convert Stations
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Pah Triac
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Posted - 2004.05.02 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pah Triac on 02/05/2004 06:22:21 nope you'll bring the urge to expand further up.
Adjusting the map ok but to what lvl? without bringin the open war system they had in mind. Alliances "have" to attack neighbours on several points that was idea to keep the pvp alive and keep alliances from building a wall in front of their door step. And must use tactics to keep what is theirs.
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DrummelHolmen
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Posted - 2004.05.02 07:43:00 -
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EVE Universe is just the right size, imo.
1. Jove-space, and alliances controlling it? don't think so, JOVE will control it, right?
2. And I hope there will be no jumpgates to jove-space, this would create the ultimate PvP region(s). Only the ones with jumpdrives fitted(?) could get there.
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.05.02 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Jove Space is going to open up eventually, and the first few weeks of its opening should have a ****load of fleet battles at its entrances
yep. and I cant wait.. I think the entrance system will have the biggest "ships killed in 1 hour" the game ever have had in 1 system....
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.05.02 09:22:00 -
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We dont need more space, less space the better actually..
When places get grouded it makes tentions, thats means more battles and pvp witch this game is build up around.
As it is now there is IMO to much space, we have to travel 100+ jumps to get to a battle where people just sit in safespots and smacktalk!
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.05.02 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Jove Space is going to open up eventually, and the first few weeks of its opening should have a ****load of fleet battles at its entrances
yeah, should be interesting, its really gonna hit the fan then... lots of Jove is hi sec, so when u get in, well ur in:)...
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2004.05.02 11:35:00 -
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Can't I just self-destruct my ship instead of letting the gate camping pirates have it blown up for me ?
I don't see the difference and as long as I KNOW I can't get past those gate campers there is no way I am going to waste my Thorax (or hopefully soon a Battleship) to those, I would rather just selfdestruct my ship then. And I can't see why I should do that then... okey call me a Carebear and all... but as long as the gates to 0.0 space is camped by lazy pirates then you won't get more people in there. It is just not worth loosing my ship for it.
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.05.02 11:50:00 -
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cloaked ships dudes
i think they will be the only ones getting to jove space in a hurry
i really dont thinkl that we need more space either u guys just need to look a bit more, and ive been on the ***** pipe cause i finally chose to bolt through unsecure space today ^^ and noone was their guarding the gate
so it isnt impossible to get out their and grab a small piece of the turff if u are an establiched corp, all u need to do is create your own alliance.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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juel
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Posted - 2004.05.02 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: juel on 02/05/2004 14:31:00 As long as jump gates into 0.0 are camped you will have 80 percent of the universe with essentially no one in it and 20 percent of the universe overcrowded.
Evidently ccp is ok with this as I agree with articblue, Im not wasting my ships at block points into the region. Once there sure Ill take my chances but not til i get there.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.05.02 15:03:00 -
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Just because the jove space and un-unused space is currently on the right hand side of the map, doesn't mean the devs can't move it before linking it to the current eve map.
Who knows, maybe jove will require jump drives to get to. Maybe it will have 15 star gate links that all reside in empire space and another 5 in 0.0.
Maybe the joves want everyone to have equal access and build loads of jump gates, rather than just 3 from the right hand side of the map?
That said, I do not think there is any reason to expand space yet. We struggle as it is to see players in 0.0, and even then their nearly all in one or two systems. I'd wait to see how player built structures change the game play, then see how many more people leave empire. Then decide about opening more space.
I wouldn't worry about jove anyway, I don't think it will be accessable for at least another year. Why open up access to your main story element so quickly? Build things up slowly, thats how it should be done.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Issaqua
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Posted - 2004.05.02 16:39:00 -
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0.0 is empty because there's nothing to do there unless you fight or are in an alliance and mine high end. For the average joe, it's not worth being ganked by a hostile interceptor. As soon as player contructed stations/station modules come in we'll see more activity around remoter areas. At the moment actual defense is impossible, because microwarped frigates can go *anywhere*, and other ships can sneak around after DT and suchlike - which will hopefully be fixed by sentry guns warp disruptor fields etc.
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Saelek
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Posted - 2004.05.02 17:02:00 -
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Eve is already far far 2 big in overall size and 2 small when it comes to systems, traveltimes are long and kinda annoying..but we live with it..however the solar systems are bare, roid belts and gates are all that gets used most of the time unless your running from, or chasing ppl and theres 2 little to be done around stations and and....itll never change
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.05.02 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lao Tzu on 02/05/2004 17:05:48
Quote: 0.0 is empty because there's nothing to do there unless you fight or are in an alliance and mine high end.
I make frigates and the modules to go with them in 0.0, and bussiness is starting to pick up, miners mine for my buy orders, and not just the high end stuff.
There are some different agents, pirate or not, for thoses who like them (I do), and just skanking around Venal annoying the PA is quite fun
These things arn't that great, but it's something, and you don't need battleships and a whole crew to do them.
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