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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:23:00 -
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UGGGGGHhhh.
You have just ****ed off every single Gallente covops pilot.
Seriously.
This is favoritism, you give the Amarr the Magnate hull and downgrade us to the freakin' IMICUS? The UGLIEST freaking ship in the game?
Either enough Gallente pilots will whine and it'll get changed back... or I'm just going to have to train for amarr covops.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
Suffen
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun UGGGGGHhhh.
You have just ****ed off every single Gallente covops pilot.
Seriously.
This is favoritism, you give the Amarr the Magnate hull and downgrade us to the freakin' IMICUS? The UGLIEST freaking ship in the game?
Either enough Gallente pilots will whine and it'll get changed back... or I'm just going to have to train for amarr covops.
its called selective listening, they prolly just listen when they want to.. and they're not gonna.. so w/e amarr cov ops then i go
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Dr Clay
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bronson Hughes Okay, now we just need to get CCP to fix the skins on the Hawk and Harpy; they've been reversed since they were released.
You are correct, the hawk definitely does not deserve to look cool considering how crap it is.
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Photon Xeray
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:20:00 -
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the gallente ships are already looking like s***, ugliest textures and below-average models, I was really hoping gallente graphics will get a buff, instead it gets even worse.
CCP, let us enjoy looking at our ships! or at least don't make us throw up when we do! people were happy with the helios for ages, now instead of changing what looks like s*** to something good you make it even worse!
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:11:00 -
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Is the helios model going to get used for anything else? its far too pritty to waste
Also i don't sopose theres any chance that a graphics artist could be kicked up the ass and told to completeley redesign the imicus hull into something that doesent look like a one-winged, beer-gutted parrot with a stumpy beak? -
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:48:00 -
[96]
I had to see it by myself on sisi. The model change is just criminal.
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zacuis
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:24:00 -
[97]
i have to admit i hate this change. why not just swap round the t1 version rather than messing with the version everyone actually uses
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Claire Luyseyal
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:06:00 -
[98]
lol¦d.
I will call mine the "Jean-Claude Jaquettie hand-held shaver".
Love it
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XLR Eight
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:24:00 -
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Don't make a half the work! At least bring back the "baby blue" skin for the new Helios to turn it into a complete visual orgasm. I'm sure it's designer will love it.
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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:36:34 Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:34:28
Originally by: CCP Atropos As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Of course there is a technical reason, but if you don't want look at them its your fault.
Imagine a guy who worked months researching a t1 bpo to use invention ( or just because have the t2 bpo and want to build the plain t1 ship and then make it t2 ).
Your change make his researched bpo worth nothing. He have to buy another BPO and research it again.
And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
As far i see its CCP that are changing just for "tier ship preferences" while there are some obvious reasons that your change will cause some damage to ship builders. On player side ist not "just a look & feel" problem, but its CCP that are going to make this change just for "look & feel" preferences, so next time please give people some more consideration. I dunno how this ship was supposed to do during the release, but its long ago that this ship have a determined hull, its worth cause damage to players just to change a hull?
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Nara Krylov
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: gpfault
Originally by: Nareg Maxence Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
I like this idea, I can count the number of people I've seen flying a maulus on one hand.
I fly a maulus. Well, I just bought one so I could have a good look at THE HELIOS I'M TRAINING FOR -.- I like that model ;.;
Correction, Helios I -was- training for. Yay Amarr frigate.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:02:00 -
[102]
Non-Amarr people training for an Amarr ship, what the hell is going on????
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Avernus
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:39:00 -
[103]
I've had the same Helios since they came out, somehow through way more luck than I deserve, it's survived jumping into god knows how many hostile camps. Having a different hull (an Imicus? ) on that old ship is messed up.
Maulus = Sexy.
Imicus = club footed hunchback.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:02:00 -
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I highly approve of the covert ops hull changes. Now they are all based on the astro frig. it makes sense, and is consistent.
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Ulstan
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
Indeed, stunningly so, which makes this...
... all the more inexcusable
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:54:00 -
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can I have my gallente frigate 5 skill changed to minmatar?
I trained the helios purely for looks, now those are gone, and I will have to waste 10 days. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Selnix
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:24:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Selnix on 27/05/2008 21:25:07
Originally by: Alski
Originally by: Ulstan
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
Indeed, stunningly so, which makes this...
Overly large pic of new Helios
... all the more inexcusable
Really needs one of those light ball things like the current Helios and the old Ishkur model had to make it all pretty again. Could also maybe use some source of blue light emittance ala the Ishtar. Either way, so long as they give her 3 light drones it'll be a worthwhile covops.
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Nara Krylov
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:29:00 -
[108]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Reasons? 1: You're ****ing off people who build ships with the invention change. 2: Ships do not magically transform into different ships. This breaks continuity, not to mention; 3: ****es off probably 9/10 covops pilots who spent days training for this ship - frequently because of it's looks - only to login one day and see it changed from an elegant, beautiful design to a LOPSIDED SCRAPHEAP.
And why? To retroactively change a mistake that was made years ago, and allowed to go on to the point where changing it back now is ridiculous. I'm betting not many people noticed the mistake, and even less cared.
As far as aesthetics, well, I have to toss in my opinion here. The Maulus design is excellent, and a rarity in that it's a good looking Gallente ship. As far as the Imicus...seriously...who the hell designed that? It looks like an unholy collection of scrap taken from a 50's era junkyard and welded together by a *****head. One look at it makes me think that it would SPIN OUT OF CONTROL when thrust is applied, then FLY APART when the cheap welding breaks under the stress.
To summarize the change: Pros: Correcting an inconsistency that has become moot over time. Cons: ****ing off covops pilots. ****ing off ship builders. ****ing off Gallente who see this as a Helios nerf, while the Anathema gets a buff. Continuity violation by applying silly retroactive magical ship changes.
Please reconsider.
PS - Take the above and apply it to the Cheetah which has been defiled with the chimpanzee-on-mescaline-with-superglue-and-legos derived Probe model. Thank you.
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Runia
Azure Horizon Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:47:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Dark Voynix Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:36:34 Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:34:28
Originally by: CCP Atropos As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Of course there is a technical reason, but if you don't want look at them its your fault.
Imagine a guy who worked months researching a t1 bpo to use invention ( or just because have the t2 bpo and want to build the plain t1 ship and then make it t2 ).
Your change make his researched bpo worth nothing. He have to buy another BPO and research it again.
And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
As far i see its CCP that are changing just for "tier ship preferences" while there are some obvious reasons that your change will cause some damage to ship builders. On player side ist not "just a look & feel" problem, but its CCP that are going to make this change just for "look & feel" preferences, so next time please give people some more consideration. I dunno how this ship was supposed to do during the release, but its long ago that this ship have a determined hull, its worth cause damage to players just to change a hull?
yup I am in this boat... and it was to be my first invention job as well... so now what do I do? Will I be able to swap my researched maulus bpo for a researched imicus bpo? I really haven't looked into the keres enough yet to know whether to bother, and I always wanted to make helios' (helii? lol) anyway... *sigh* ----------------------------------------------------------------- check out 'narcotics' channel for what you need :) -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:35:00 -
[110]
Hmmm...
Originally by: Dark Voynix And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
I don't think they like our tone very much either
That said , rabble rabble stop nerfing our pretty covops rarrrr !
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Cyber Claw
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:58:00 -
[111]
ok, the caldari are the only covert ops frig based on the astrometrics skill bonus, so where does it make sense to change the other 2 ( gallante, minimater) and introduce a 4th astro frig for amarr, just cause the 1 caldari was based on a different hull?
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
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Pirokobo
Orion Academy THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/05/2008 16:46:38 It doesn't bother me that they're switching the Helios hull type, but rather that they haven't said what they'll do with the old Helios hull.
I'd LIKE to see them move it over to the Keres.
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Sole Trader
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:55:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Sole Trader on 29/05/2008 18:00:38 Edited by: Sole Trader on 29/05/2008 17:57:43
Originally by: Pirokobo Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/05/2008 16:46:38 It doesn't bother me that they're switching the Helios hull type, but rather that they haven't said what they'll do with the old Helios hull.
I'd LIKE to see them move it over to the Keres.
This exactly, Helios hull looks damn s****y as does the cheeta, would be a shame to loose these hulls altogether, i've got no problems with the model changes to cvops just please hang onto the assets and apply it to the keres and hyena, even if it means adding these in later patches, just don't discard them.
Edit*** Helios hull looks awesome, my previous descriptive apparently contained naughty words and the censored version suggests something negative.
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Gor Kraon
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:45:00 -
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If fluff consistency is the reason for this, change the Vargur model to that of the Maelstrom. Its not even remotely a Tempest after all... In fact, isn't the Kronos more like a Hyperion, and the Paladin more like a Abaddon.
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Ghostfire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:47:00 -
[115]
I think the new Helios design is great ... good job. |
Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:38:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Ethaet on 30/05/2008 09:40:52
Originally by: Ghostfire I think the new Helios design is great ... good job.
I think you have some kind of problem. You do realise the helios is the gallente one, right? -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Illwen
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:45:00 -
[117]
I think I'm gonna be physically ill......
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Servarius
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:48:00 -
[118]
Originally by: CCP Atropos ....we can right all these wrongs.....
Who cares if it's wrong..it's been this way for how long..? Most of us, myself included, chose the helios based on it's looks. I do not want too look at the peice of crap it's being replaced with.
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