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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:45:00 -
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Re-balancing is on our minds as many of you know and CCP Ytterbium is here to tell you all about some major changes we'll be seeing the start of soon.
Please go here to read the blog and as always, we're eager to hear your feedback. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Hugo Smith
New Eden Conglomerate of Trade and Comerce
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:48:00 -
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Jesus ******* christ. WHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!? |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
908
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:54:00 -
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This is AWESOME, but I'm a bit miffed that those of us who have extensively crosstrained are going to be stuck re-training up 3 Destroyer and 3 BC skills.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:59:00 -
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sounds good but its very complicated and a lot of people will be upset if they cant fly a /trained useless skills. Be careful here.
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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:59:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:This is AWESOME, but I'm a bit miffed that those of us who have extensively crosstrained are going to be stuck re-training up 3 Destroyer and 3 BC skills.
-Liang
Ed: Also, your comments link in the dev blog doesn't work. <3 Yeah, the more I think about it the more that it bothers me to have to spend ~2.5 months retraining to fly the many, many, many battlecruisers across all races that I already fly. :|
this, not happy about having to train 6 skills to fly ships i can already fly CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
158
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:59:00 -
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Removing tiers? This might be the greatest thing ever.
I can see a lot of resistance from those who have extensively cross trained. I don't know how you will deal with that for everyone. But honestly, changing the skills just makes sense. I'm sure a lot of people will also be split on the idea to lower the requirement for capitals from BS V to BS IV.
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
91
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:00:00 -
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Will we get our battleship fives reimbursed too? |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:00:00 -
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dev blog wrote:Or the Gallente drone and dampening abilities stop with the Exequror?
wha? Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Spugg Galdon
Callidus Temple Forsaken.Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:01:00 -
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Yay for the tier system getting blown to bits. I love you!
Buckets of tears for maybe needing to train battle cruisers to 5 for the three races I choose not to put he reimbursed SP in but I am happy to take it up the arse if that's what it takes to get the role system!
A big arsed **** yeah! |
StevieTopSiders
Evolution
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:01:00 -
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Furiously buying up Probe halls in hopes of a buff.
Also, while this is a great step in the right direction, balancing this is gonna be OMGWTF difficult. Notify us about changes on SisI, let us test them and give you feedback, etc. Also, if something ends up being OP, then don't wait like 10 months to nerf it.
Also, listen to Prom. |
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
91
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:01:00 -
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For this kind of extensive renovation you should probably go ahead and reimburse pretty much every single spaceship command skillpoint |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:01:00 -
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HERE. :) now read. |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:02:00 -
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The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:02:00 -
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I'm guessing the battlecruiser/destroyer skills will be refunded as free sp as a part of this? generally fairly happy with what i can see so far otherwise... |
quygen
Acting Neutral NEM3SIS.
23
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:03:00 -
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First page \o/
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
239
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:03:00 -
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Hey, this looks like a decent change but will the new racial destroyer/bc skills take up as much SP as the current skills? I don't want to retrain in order to fly ships that I already can fly, and people are going to be pissed off because you are screwing with their remaps and stuff. |
Shandir
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:05:00 -
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This sounds like good news - people have been asking to drop the tiering system for a while. I hope you guys realise how difficult getting all this balancing right is going to be. But good luck :) |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:05:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
It goes far beyond simply unappealing. It is simply not practical. We've got dozens of battlecruisers in the wormhole we live in and potentially nobody would even be able to fly them for months. The best solution is not to reimburse BC/Destroyer SP but to give everyone the racial skills at the level they have them trained when the books are seeded.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
11
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:06:00 -
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As someone with a lot of cross training the idea of relearning skills for destroyer or battle cruisers is somehow annoying. Specially if you take into account that destroyers are of little use at this point.
Some of the ideas clearly make sense to me, than I still miss handling some points in your current schema.
New types great. I still love to see a frig or destroyer size logistic ship, for fast moving groups.
I totally miss something to counter blob warfare. Is there any incentive in this, that would counter bigger blob wins regardless of strategy? Something that actually would bring FCs to distribute their fleets?
So many interesting ideas out there (direction of hit impacts dps), sensor strength in dense formation ...
So what I see now mostly feels as if you make it more noob friendly instead of more interesting :(
Still change is good, so go on |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:06:00 -
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First thought was "awww, I'm going to have a bunch of skills to train now." Then it dawned on me that I was just complaining a week ago that I didn't know what to train next. This is a good change. Keep it up! |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
139
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:06:00 -
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Those are some HUGE-ASS images, and trust me, I know huge ass. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:06:00 -
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My gut reaction is that adding even more skilltime to the queue for new players to get into a BS is not something you want. In fact I'd rather getting INTO ships was a quicker affair than today, but actually getting to the point where you get the best out of them took longer. |
Kozmic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:07:00 -
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For those of us with all racial sub-caps, that is a lot of re-training. SP reimbursment should take that into account - if I had BC V and have race X BS V, then I should get race X BC V.
Edit: also, :ccp: |
LegendaryFrog
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:07:00 -
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I am really glad to see this level of ambition being directed at ship balancing. It was always going to be reliant on some significant changes in order to properly align all the existing ships into a role-based system that ensures each one is desirable to fly under a certain circumstance.
Sure the prospect of having to train new skills just to get into ships I can already fly perfectly with all 5's is not optimal, but if you handle that properly the benefits to the game will far outweigh those concerns. |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
26
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:07:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:...We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
Understatement of the day. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:08:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
I understand the sentiment of wanting to streamline the skill trees, but if you're going to remove the generic Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills, for those of us who have trained both of them to 5, if we don't get *all four* of the racial skills reimbursed all the way to 5, you are going to have a very, very large and angry mob on your hands. |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:09:00 -
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Great blog ! Hope we will have more informations while your brainstorming evolved to gameplay and real modification :)
Btw .. .re-training skills isn't really a problem if ships have more value ;). |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
65
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:09:00 -
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Just want to echo the concern at potentially having to spend a long time training in order to fly ships that I currently own and use with the same level of proficiency that I currently enjoy. I don't see how the new BC and destroyer skills could reasonably be reimbursed other than by giving everyone who currently has BC V all of the racial battlecruiser skills at V, for instance. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:09:00 -
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Are Cruisers and Frigates going to be buffed in Inferno as the CSM Minutes indicated.
I really like a lot of the changes you are planing to make. |
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
41
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:09:00 -
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I think lowering the rank of the new Racial Battlecruiser skill compared to the old Battlecruiser skill would alleviate some of the problems people who use multiple command ships would have. That or instead of a reimbursement, grant Racial Battlecruiser skills equal to the previous BC skill for Race that Cruiser V is trained for. |
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