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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:11:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:stoicfaux wrote:+1.0 for something that is long overdu -0.5 if we have to retrain for ships we can already fly (i.e. the BC/Destroyer skill makeover
0. which rounds up to +1
Great change, but I'm going to loathe having to train multiple BC5 skills
Fortunately, you won't. It helps to read. ;- -Liang You mean this? "Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."
I'll believe it when I see it. There's something bugging me about how you would program/implement that, but I can't put my thumb on it.
Plus, I'll probably be one of those people who will use the refund to buy "non-optimally mapped" skills and then retrain for the faction BC skills with my current Perc/Will mapping
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:11:00 -
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If you remove BS V as requirement for caps then i should be able to get it reimbursed, my capital alt does not need 30d of training for something it will never use. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
589
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:11:00 -
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Death Reactor wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129 wow
I will not spend one second training for a ship that i can already fly. If it goes through as is ill be suiciding my aeon into the sun and go play mw3.
Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom.
Yet another time, for the less than observant:
CCP Soundwave wrote: No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
61
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:12:00 -
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quygen wrote:First page \o/
Still wondering about splitting those BC skills, i trained that to lvl5 about 2,5 years ago. have to do all the training all over again.
That assumes they don't grant you all 4 x Racial BC skills at V.
Why is everyone assuming that the racial BC skills will take as much time as the generic BC skill? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
95
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:12:00 -
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Excuse me CCP but you can kindly suck my balls.
Changing prereqs isnt balancing, changing ship stats is.
Idiots. |
Tubolard
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:14:00 -
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I don't think splitting up the Destroyer and BC skill makes sense. it means you are giving both of those skills equal weight to frigates and cruisers, however when I train for example Caldari frigate to 5 i get access to multiple different ship specializations like interceptor and assault frigate, however destroyers only gives me interdictors. I feel that if the Destroyers and BC skills are split into race spacific skills more ships in these classes need to come out to make it worth it to train level five in multiple races. |
Laura Dexx
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:14:00 -
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:quygen wrote:First page \o/
Still wondering about splitting those BC skills, i trained that to lvl5 about 2,5 years ago. have to do all the training all over again. That assumes they don't grant you all 4 x Racial BC skills at V. Why is everyone assuming that the racial BC skills will take as much time as the generic BC skill?
Looks like you're the one who can't read, the blog clearly states that the racial battlecruiser skills will most likely have the same rank. |
PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:15:00 -
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For those not wanting caps to be faster trains you can easily simply crank up the capital ships training time to compensate for it.
I approve of the basing the BC skills off of the cruiser level. I have CS4 and BC V, and I want to keep both Amarr and Gallente BC V (those are what I fly). I don't want to have just some random ass Caldari BC V thrown into my queue ruining my pretty skill list. |
Bluestream3
the Goose Flock
7
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:15:00 -
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Don't overdo it with streamlining, CCP. Streamlining is ****. That is all I have to say. |
Bull Eramix
Mimidae Risk Solutions
12
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:15:00 -
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Dear CCP employees,
There are again tearz of joy ... this time because you are trying to give us more viable options for ships to fly which leads to additional strategies to be developed to utilize these ships.
I only have one albeit small issues with this devblog...
Why did you have to post it while I am at work, it's hard to explain the tearz to my coworkers, whereas my corp mates on vent would be a much better support group.
As for the fears surrounding the potential for basically there being more SP required to fly 'everything'. (Not just vets who showed concerns about command-ships, or capital ships, but new players who may require less time for an individual ship, but more SP overall to be well rounded). I'm glad that you CCP responded as quickly as you did, but at the same time you know what?
You've done so much to address concerns with the game from little things to hybrids over the past few months that I'm just going to sit back and TRUST you to make the best decision for the game/community as a whole on this one (whatever that works out to be), even if I may not personally agree with whatever you go with.
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August Hayek
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:15:00 -
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Heh,
Super Carrier and Titan pilots don't need destroyer or battlecruiser skill for now. Do I have to skill destroyer and battlecruiser with my SC char?
lulz |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
940
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:16:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: You mean this? "Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."
I'll believe it when I see it. There's something bugging me about how you would program/implement that, but I can't put my thumb on it.
Plus, I'll probably be one of those people who will use the refund to buy "non-optimally mapped" skills and then retrain for the faction BC skills with my current Perc/Will mapping
No, I mean: CCP Soundwave had this to say here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=898503#post898503
CCP Soundwave wrote: We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.
And again here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=898531#post898531
CCP Soundwave wrote:We'll sit down and have a chat about it, but what we're looking to do is create a solid ship scheme, not take things away from people. You'll be reimbursed properly.
More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=898882#post898882
CCP Soundwave wrote:No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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hrusha
Open Designs Emergent Avionics
1
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:16:00 -
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The ::lack of reading comprehension:: is strong with this crowd!
Can't wait to see how this makes the game even more exciting!
Also- make caps harder to get, we need more sub-cap ship proliferation and pewpew!
Also #2: Quote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129 wow
I will not spend one second training for a ship that i can already fly. If it goes through as is ill be suiciding my aeon into the sun and go play mw3. - PLEASE DO!
Hru |
Zabir Kal'Uragan
Sanguine Cabal
2
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:16:00 -
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Aarin Wrath wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.
Fewf. Having done some extensive cross training this was my only real fear. On the whole it honestly sounds like an incredibly good change. I just hope those of us who cross trained a lot, or have a huge amount of SP in flying space ships don't get short changed by this whole process. Keep it up CCP. You guys are kicking ass this expansion.
The devil is in the detail
If I have level 5 bc and they refund me the sp I can technically invest it in level 1 of each and therefore "fly what I could yesterday". I haven't seen a promise that I will have them trained to the same level as yesterday which is where it matters to me.
Stop screwing with the few things left in the game that arent broken. The skill tree is what it is, there's no secret internerd rules that say it has to follow some strictly logical progression, its part of what makes eve the uniquely brilliant game it is.
As for making all ships across the races have defined roles, STOP TRYING TO EFFING TURN EVE INTO WOW-IN-SPACE |
Heimdallofasgard
Blazing Celts
117
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:17:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Excuse me CCP but you can kindly suck my balls.
Changing prereqs isnt balancing, changing ship stats is.
Idiots.
You're just being short sighted... these changes enable greater iteration. |
Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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So CCP "Goonswarm" Shockwave
How will you defend the fact that you have lowered the skills required to fly capital ships knowing full well that the alliance you were part of has been attempting to get people to train bs 5 so they can get into these ships? I mean it kinda looks fishy in my personal opinion that your helping your old alliance out in anyway possible without it looking too obvious? I could care less about the other changes being made, but that sticks out like a sore thumb.
Thank you in Advance, I will be going the other route as well. |
Alastanir
NOMAD. RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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Training a carrier should be harder to get into than a marauder or black ops. I vote "nay" on lowering cap requirements to BS IV. |
Plyn
Random Jedi Industries KRYSIS.
45
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Excuse me CCP but you can kindly suck my balls.
Changing prereqs isnt balancing, changing ship stats is.
Idiots. Lulz... Somebody forgot to read both halves of the blog!!!!! Come2Nullsec |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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Zabir Kal'Uragan wrote:Aarin Wrath wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.
Fewf. Having done some extensive cross training this was my only real fear. On the whole it honestly sounds like an incredibly good change. I just hope those of us who cross trained a lot, or have a huge amount of SP in flying space ships don't get short changed by this whole process. Keep it up CCP. You guys are kicking ass this expansion. The devil is in the detail If I have level 5 bc and they refund me the sp I can technically invest it in level 1 of each and therefore "fly what I could yesterday". I haven't seen a promise that I will have them trained to the same level as yesterday which is where it matters to me. Stop screwing with the few things left in the game that arent broken. The skill tree is what it is, there's no secret internerd rules that say it has to follow some strictly logical progression, its part of what makes eve the uniquely brilliant game it is. As for making all ships across the races have defined roles, STOP TRYING TO EFFING TURN EVE INTO WOW-IN-SPACE
Quoted for truth. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
335
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:The idea is fundamentally great, but like many people have pointed out, all of us who have made sure we are crosstrained extensively are going to be mighty pissed...
So, basically what would happen is overnight I would lose the ability to fly 3/4 of the BC and destroyers entirely and have to retrain, which lets face it is complete crap. Being able to jump literally into any T1 or t2 subcap is something I made sure I am capable of. Not to single you out, but yet again... "IF YOU CAN FLY IT NOW, YOU CAN FLY IT LATER."
I probably overshot and panicked and missed that bit, thx.
I usaully trust the judgements made and go with it, but I saw red when i thought id lose the ability to fly my precious command ships of every race...
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:18:00 -
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As a suggestion I'd rather see the problem approached from a different direction.
Remove Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship and make it just Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship. Remove the Spaceship Command skill.
Then just add the skills of Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, and Gallente Spaceship Command (with maybe a slightly higher training time) etc.
It would seem to be an easier way to keep the ranks for each skill about the same across the races without having to effectively grandfather in players or else have players up in arms with worry about no longer being able to fly ships well that they could previously.
Also it would prevent you from having to go through the same mess with all T2 ship skills a year down the road.
*Edit - I missed Shin Dari's post basically suggesting the same thing. Consider this as being in support of that as well. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:19:00 -
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I think your new FiS approach is more than welcome.
While I was originally a little nervous about how skillpoint redistribution and skill reallocation will alter the ships I can currently fly, I'm very much alright with your changes and trust CCP will do us right...
I think the tiericide is very welcome, and thank you for keeping up the new and innovative changes!!! |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
61
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:20:00 -
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Akelorian wrote:CCP Soundwave to Goons: Herp Derp BS4 for Capitals CCP Soundwave to Eve: Yea we ruining your game like promised
Do Goons in Capital Ships scare you? How cute... |
ORCACommander
Astral Synthetics
5
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:20:00 -
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very interesting concept and I demand more high resolution tech tree progression images when its finalized. My one complaint is that HACs should require assault ships as a prereq as logically how can you be qualified to fly a heavier version of an assault ship if you are not qualified in the smaller version
not sure if i approve of racial battlecruiser until we have naval and pirate variants. if you do insist on this then existing players should be grandfathered into having all racial bc skills provided they have battlecruisers to begin with.
Also i demand black ops be given covert ops cloaks and the widow at least needs a larger tank and better ecm bonus so its not just on par with a falcon or rook. now to read a 23 page topic and see what others are saying |
Steelrat diGriz
X10 PUNISHM4NT
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:20:00 -
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THIS IS A STUIPED IDEA
that means i have to train battlecruisers another 2 time just so i'm in teh sam eplace i i am unless u get 1.5mil free sp for every race cruiser 5 u have if you as well as cs skills |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1179
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:21:00 -
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I find it funny that people are calling this Tiericide...I guess I missed the part where they actually removed the Tiers. Looks like they are still there to me. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Russir
the united Negative Ten.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:21:00 -
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Hugo Smith wrote:Jesus ******* christ. WHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!?
The new ship lines make sense but PLEASE dont change the skill training lines. It will anoy so many people. agreed DO NOT DO THIS ITS ******* STUIPED |
Heimdallofasgard
Blazing Celts
117
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:21:00 -
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Steelrat diGriz wrote:THIS IS A STUIPED IDEA
that means i have to train battlecruisers another 2 time just so i'm in teh sam eplace i i am unless u get 1.5mil free sp for every race cruiser 5 u have if you as well as cs skills
Once again... no likes... mad as hell |
Kale Kold
the unified Negative Ten.
59
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:22:00 -
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CCP is smoking the Incarna crack again!
So i lose BC5 and then i have to train 4 x BC5 again!?!?! or if we are 'reimursed' we get enough skillpoints for 1 BC5 then a bit for another, leaving 3 more months of training for something we already have??? This is a **** move CCP!!! Prepare for us shooting the jita monument again! GÇ£Some people call me insane for the destruction-áIGÇÖve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!GÇ¥ -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal. |
Mitauchi
NOMAD. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:22:00 -
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While I love the fact CCP is focused on revamping ships in general. I do not see how making it easier for players to get into capitals is a good idea. I have an industrial account that has trained BS5 skill only to fly a carrier. He has no conventional weapon skills that would apply to flying a T1 or T2 BS as he uses this character solely for logistics. If this change goes forward then that would mean I spent the 30 day or so training of BS5 for absolutely no reason. Unless CCP is planing on offering a refund of the SP I have wasted on training BS4 to BS5 then I feel as though I wasted an entire month where I could of applied these skills points else where.
The big question is will I get my BS5 reimbursed??? |
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