Unless something changed from CCP Ytterbium's post on the matter, linked in the op, why would you believe it to be different from what was stated there? As far as missing out, if what is granted is based on ones current capabilities and choices, it wouldn't be through any fault of CCP if you missed out. That aside, the static number of skill points should really be irrelevant to the discussion IMHO.

You are looking at it from a different direction, that being number of choices. I'm looking at it from sp requirements to get into command ships or capitals where the changes are decidedly dumbing down.

You argue with premises that aren't proven. "a good idea" according to what? Just because you think it's a good idea?

Unless I am misunderstanding...

At the moment, with both Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills, I can fly any of the four racial varieties of ships. But after the change, I will need the lesser ship classes (frigate and cruiser) trained to fly the same racial varieties I can fly now. So how will CCP decide which skills to grant to players? A blanket case where everyone gets all four racial types equivalent to their current trained level? Or depending upon your trained lower class ships whether you are given one or more skill point sets? That is, since I only have Minmatar trained, I will be given the racial variety only in skill points compared to one that trained everything who will get four times the amount of skill points.

Yes, skill points in the long run does not matter. But whereas right now I can take a Ferox and turn it into a gas mining ship, once this change goes through, if I decide I want that Ferox, I will need to train from frigate on up - spending time for something I can do right now. I will not have a grandfather clause stating I was able to fly the Ferox before but suddenly ~forgot~ now.

As for the dev's post on the matter, again I have not read the whole thread through, but from what I have seen - everyone will get everything from today into tomorrow to "we're not sure how we'll redistribute skill points". So call me a bit skeptical.

I dont like the BC and destroyer skill changes. For various reasons but i also think it will discourage people from trying other races and different play styles which brings me on to my main bug bear (and forcing people to train destroyers when there is only 1 per race is just daft)

I dont like the BC and destroyer skill changes. For various reasons but i also think it will discourage people from trying other races and different play styles which brings me on to my main bug bear (and forcing people to train destroyers when there is only 1 per race is just daft).

While balancing is never easy and some ships are used to a lesser or greater extent that is always going to be the case as different play styles (influenced by mechanics, lag and so on) become more or less popular. The changes will not stop this happening even if they go through however they may reduce the degree to which it happens and that in fact points to stagnation for the game which is a bad thing. The change will also make all the races to a larger extent much more homogeneous again something that is not good. Finally it destroys the creativity in pvp EVE. Occasionally people will take mediocre ships and make them work in new ways. Something that is fun and challenging and is best seen in the alliance tournament (which is admittedly like conducting a drug test in a lab vs in real world trials).

Don't make the game bland and predictable.

Chaos must rule

No, my point was that you were inferring that because the idea came from the "powers that be" that they were automaticially not worthy of consideration, and anyone agreeing with those ideas was doing so because of their source.

In this you are, of course, incorrect.

A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from, this is simple truth regardless of what idea's are being discussed.

Making the insinuations you did is simply trollish and undermines any legitimate points you might have made.

I think I'll let Tippia explain the realities of what your new choices would mean, and why... assuming Tip feels the need to lay it all out again.

Bolded where you aren't getting it. You say it is a good idea, therefore it must be? Again, this is your opinion, and mine differs. Neither is objectively true, still just subjectively true to each of us. You continue to "insinuate" that your favorable opinion of the changes means they are inherently good.

"my new choices" what are you talking about? I amd not introducing anything new. Instead I'm arguing against most of the proposed changes, except for the proposed replacing of the tiers with roles, which has been a long existing request on the threads (notice I didn't say majority request), and the proposed racial destroyer and BC skills are fine as they will actually increase overall sp investment in order to progress. It seems this is important to Tippia, to force choices to be made, fine. But removing skill reqs for some tech II and captial ships is a mistake.

As to the person who says what's one 30 day train for BS 5 matter (sorry tired of creating another tab and quoting). Well you see, it's not just the 30 days. It is the perception of difficulty. If that goes then way too many people become focused on Titan or bust. Regardless, every diminution, no matter it's size in the totality of training time, just makes the supercap proliferation problem worse.

What would be TRULY idiotic is for any current player, that has this knowledge, not to immediately start skilling Desy V and BC V.

I don't know how this will all play out, but CCP is basically telling you what to do to benefit from this, but only if you act.

I personally already have Desy V and BC V, however, I only have the the Amarr frig and cruiser skills to support flying those Destroyers and BC's.

Only 6 days to get the other 3 races frig and cruiser skills up to support flying their respective BC. Just in case....

If you are reading this and not preparing for the change, then you are the idiot.

Of course 4 months from now when they abandon this line of thinking there will be another 70+ page ragethread about how everyone got screwed.

Bolded where you aren't getting it. You say it is a good idea, therefore it must be? Again, this is your opinion, and mine differs. Neither is objectively true, still just subjectively true to each of us. You continue to "insinuate" that your favorable opinion of the changes means they are inherently good.

"my new choices" what are you talking about? I amd not introducing anything new. Instead I'm arguing against most of the proposed changes, except for the proposed replacing of the tiers with roles, which has been a long existing request on the threads (notice I didn't say majority request), and the proposed racial destroyer and BC skills are fine as they will actually increase overall sp investment in order to progress. It seems this is important to Tippia, to force choices to be made, fine. But removing skill reqs for some tech II and captial ships is a mistake, imo. Easy goals are not necessarilly better. What has been Eve's strength is the quest, not the summiting.

As to the person who says what's one 30 day train for BS 5 matter (sorry tired of creating another tab and quoting). Well you see, it's not just the 30 days. It is the perception of difficulty. If that goes then way too many people become focused on Titan or bust. Regardless, every diminution, no matter it's size in the totality of training time, just makes the supercap proliferation problem worse.

I was about to prepare myself for a wall of text rant about the way CCP are ******* up the balance yet again, but this actually looks fairly promising. The only problem is you're doing it on tranquility, if you want to keep the current playerbase you should make a seperate server for those who actually like this current balance system ( god knows why ) but you may as well cater to them first.

I'm actually impressed CCP, well done, just don't go the star wars galaxies route and you'll be fine.