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Steam Cat
Space Junk LLC
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:52:00 -
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I've got access to gallente and caldari cruisers,battlecruisers as well as a manticore. What fits would you recommend for taking down a dominix or other battleship sized targets?
My current thinking is the manticore is my best bet but I've got to worry about those drones and keeping a point on the target. I don't suppose I could hope to surprise them at 70km and kill them before they warp out?
Btw yes I'm a total noob. |
Ahrieman
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:04:00 -
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How many people are with you? What can they fly? What is the security of the space you are talking (high sec, low sec, null/w-space)?
A single stealth bomber will most likely have tough times with the drones. Also, you will need someone to point the Domi and there is the ever present threat of neuts.
People here could give you more feedback if we had a better understanding of exactly what you are trying to do and with what resources.
EDIT: Last night we were feeling suicidal enough to try to take down a Domi with 2 bombers and 2 Drams, but we couldn't get him to aggres or leave the gate. Sig tanking is the new black |
Steam Cat
Space Junk LLC
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:24:00 -
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Sorry. High sec, 1v1 against a pve fitted dominix in gallente space. I'm in a very small corp so can't rely on them for help. |
Ahrieman
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:38:00 -
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His dps will all come from drones and he is unlikely to be running around with neuts on his pve Domi.
First of all, you will not be able to pop a pve Domi with a bomber from 70k if he is smart enough to warp off, and he will have enough time. Based on the ships you can fly, a bomber might not be a bad choice. The trick will be making sure that you can perma run your MWD and that you are faster that Warrior II's with it on. Of you can do both of these things, then I would say it's worth trying in a bomber. A manticore would be a nice option for this and to just orbit at 18k - thus keeping your speed up and keeping him pointed, but making it hard for his drones to deal with you easily.
The other option imho, would be a dual or trip rep myrm. The main difference in your fitting though is that you will need to bring neuts along. I expect a pve domi to be running reps and you will want to neut him out to take him down. I would focus all my dps on clearing his drones while I applied my neuts to the domi. Hopefuly by the time you clear the drones, the domi will be capped out and dead in the water.
EDIT: The reason I would use a repping myrm is so that you can easily tank the drone dps until you have cleared them. I would prob use 2 neuts and 1 nos in the highs. Sig tanking is the new black |
Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:56:00 -
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PvE fitted Domi in Gal space. OK He *probably* won't have Warriors, he'll be using Hobgobs which have 75% of the MWD speed of their cousins He will be fitted for cap stability, so it's unlikely he'll have a cap booster on board It's already been mentioned he's probably not carrying neuts either
He's most likely fitted for therm/kin armour damage, so you best best is explosive damage. If he has no explosive resists at all, he'll only have about 30k EHP against it
Basically, take a Drake. Tank it for kin/therm, fit a point, and fit heavy assaults with Nova missiles
This might be a tight fit if your fitting skills suck, but, but you can play with it and use implants:
[Drake, Domi missioner killer] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II
'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior I x5
It does about 350dps, so it will take down an un-resisted (to explosive) LAR-fitted Domi in about 2.5 minutes. Make that 3.5 minutes if he's dual-repped. You'll have at least 85-90k EHP against his thermal drones, and about 200dps tank to boot.
Your main issue will be getting a decent warp-in on him. Frankly I'd sit on a gate and wait for him to jump back from a mission. You could then point him when he decloaks. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:59:00 -
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Drone baiting CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Ahrieman
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:33:00 -
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Bibosikus thanks for filling in the holes that I left. Also, good catch on the hobgoblins. I forgot that's what mission runners use. (Even when I run a PLEX, I still use warriors). I still like neuts to mess up his tank. Many mission ships suffer hard under the pressure from a neut or 2. Sig tanking is the new black |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:04:00 -
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Edit: mis-read ships you can fly. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
welsh wizard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:14:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:It does about 350dps, so it will take down an un-resisted (to explosive) LAR-fitted Domi in about 2.5 minutes. Make that 3.5 minutes if he's dual-repped. You'll have at least 85-90k EHP against his thermal drones, and about 200dps tank to boot.
Your main issue will be getting a decent warp-in on him. Frankly I'd sit on a gate and wait for him to jump back from a mission. You could then point him when he decloaks.
Um, I could be wrong as I haven't played since 2009 but isn't the Domi just going to waddle back to the gate and jump out, leaving the op with an aggression timer?
You'd need a web or two..
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welsh wizard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:15:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:It does about 350dps, so it will take down an un-resisted (to explosive) LAR-fitted Domi in about 2.5 minutes. Make that 3.5 minutes if he's dual-repped. You'll have at least 85-90k EHP against his thermal drones, and about 200dps tank to boot.
Your main issue will be getting a decent warp-in on him. Frankly I'd sit on a gate and wait for him to jump back from a mission. You could then point him when he decloaks.
Um, I could be wrong as I haven't played since 2009 but isn't the Domi just going to waddle back to the gate and jump out, leaving the op with an aggression timer?
You'd need a web or two..
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:17:00 -
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welsh wizard wrote:Bibosikus wrote:It does about 350dps, so it will take down an un-resisted (to explosive) LAR-fitted Domi in about 2.5 minutes. Make that 3.5 minutes if he's dual-repped. You'll have at least 85-90k EHP against his thermal drones, and about 200dps tank to boot.
Your main issue will be getting a decent warp-in on him. Frankly I'd sit on a gate and wait for him to jump back from a mission. You could then point him when he decloaks. Um, I could be wrong as I haven't played since 2009 but isn't the Domi just going to waddle back to the gate and jump out, leaving the op with an aggression timer? You'd need a web or two..
This is true. Catching them in the mission might be a better idea, especially as most Domi pilots probably just sit at the mission entrance. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:35:00 -
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You're absolutely right. A gate camp wouldn't work without a web & prolly a scram too
To catch him in a mission though, you'll need a buddie to probe him down. Or ask a local ninja - they're always up for a laugh :) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:16:00 -
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If you can fly it a Neuting armour Cane
Something like this
[Hurricane, Cane 1600] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hornet EC-300 x6
Between 500 & 600dps depending on ammo, 70k EHP
Neuts will shut down the tank and plenty of EHP and DPS, lucky jams with the drones will allow you to bail if needed.
Kill em all.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:50:00 -
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welsh wizard wrote:Bibosikus wrote:It does about 350dps, so it will take down an un-resisted (to explosive) LAR-fitted Domi in about 2.5 minutes. Make that 3.5 minutes if he's dual-repped. You'll have at least 85-90k EHP against his thermal drones, and about 200dps tank to boot.
Your main issue will be getting a decent warp-in on him. Frankly I'd sit on a gate and wait for him to jump back from a mission. You could then point him when he decloaks. Um, I could be wrong as I haven't played since 2009 but isn't the Domi just going to waddle back to the gate and jump out, leaving the op with an aggression timer? You'd need a web or two..
Holy ****. Welcome back man, it is great to see you. Shoot me an evemail if you need catching up.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:01:00 -
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I've occasionally considered trying to solo high sec mission runners with an active tanked close range Manticore. A nano Hound would almost certainly work better in your case, provided you catch him in a non-angel mission and he isn't one of the super lazy omnitankers.
Be careful going with a more traditional role, because he's almost certainly going to be tanked out the wazoo for Kin/Thm... and its not as though Domis are known for having a poor active tank to start with. There's a very real possibility that he will simply be able to tank you if you don't bring some way to force him to cap out (neuts).
Good luck - and post back and let us know what you used and how it turned out!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:30:00 -
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I wouldn't recommend anything without neuts (energy neutralizers) for taking on a PvE-fit ship. Neuts help you break the active tank or turn off the hardeners of any ship.
Gallente/Caldari ships tend to be a bit unfortunate for what you're trying to do, as damage type selection is very important for ganking someone who is specifically fit up to tank one type of damage. If you had access to Minmatar, the classic suggestion is the Hurricane, or the Typhoon. Both do good amounts of damage, and have spare high slots to fit neuts in.
As is, I would probably recommend the Myrmidon with a heavy/med/light drone combination for max DPS, and possibly fit with autocannons to get the damage type selection for your guns too. You can use extraneous mids to completely shut down your enemy, too. Try something like this:
Quote:[Myrmidon, gankah]
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Pulse the MWD to get point and close distance, turn it off, and let loose the neuts and damage. Once you see his reps/hardeners have turned off (the visual effect on his ship's hull stopped), turn off the neuts and just pound on him with all the damage you got.
Use the webs to help you kill his drones. You can't active tank the whole damage of a Domi, but if you kill its drones you can. Make sure to orbit him too, as you may break his tracking, further reducing his damage.
Good luck! PvE Domi is hard to gank in a sub-BS hull. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:10:00 -
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Ahrieman wrote:
EDIT: The reason I would use a repping myrm is so that you can easily tank the drone dps until you have cleared them. I would prob use 2 neuts and 1 nos in the highs.
I've done it with a vagabond before. The trick is to choose your timing well so your ship just puts it over the top on what it can tank. The vaga I was using was also a close-range fit and sig-tanked with both implants and drugs.
I think the myrmidon is a good choice too. In fact, you don't need to actively tank a myrmidon to do this. A blaster fit one with sentry drones and big passive tank is good enough if you choose your timing well. A myrm can be passively fit to tank round about 500dps which is a bit more than what a PVE Domi can dish out with guns, so you want to last long enough to kill his drones and then you have all the time in the world to kill him.
If he has a good active tank, you might want to fit a rack of neuts/nos on the myrm as well and do the damage with drones. Once his cap is empty it will drop like a stone.
Once again the trick is attack him while he's tanking a big spawn so you can get the job done quickly.
T- |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:28:00 -
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Ahrieman wrote:His dps will all come from drones and he is unlikely to be running around with neuts on his pve Domi.
Actually, this isn't necessarily true. I run missions from time to time in a Navy Dominix and it does about 470 dps with guns and another 400 or so with drones.
The difficulty with drones is that they apply consistent dps at any range. If he has sentries out then orbit the sentries at 1k and that will neutralize a lot of their dps. The Domi will *probably* be close to his sentries and if he's stupid he'll leave them out thinking they'll hit the hardest.... but they won't. not at close range.
Even if he moves out to get his guns in range then you'll have lots of time to kill the sentries before he gets maximum dps on you. If he abandons the sentries (or better yet, tries to recall them) then get up and orbit the Dominix at point blank range to neutralize dps from guns. He will undoubtedly be fit with rails, which only get dangerous outside 10k. Put blasters/neuts on him and put your drones on his drones.
T- |
Fairhand
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:23:00 -
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As a PvE Domi pilot myself, this makes interesting reading...
I agree that most Domis will be rails, active tanked and probably single LAR. You will have to deal with one or two Omnis in his mids and possibly a Mag Stab or two. I tend not to use Neuts myself but I have been playing around with a Target Painter *evil grin*.
These days, the hardest part of engaging one in High Sec is getting him to aggro in the first place! |
Steam Cat
Space Junk LLC
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Posted - 2012.03.08 04:44:00 -
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Thx for the help everyone. I'll hopefully have results soon. You are all scholars and gentlemen. |
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Fairhand
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.08 07:28:00 -
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Just be careful if approaching a Domi in an Angels mission or in Damsel in Distress... There is every possibility you will walk straight into a full rack of heavy Blasters... |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.08 07:42:00 -
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Drone baiting no longer works in hi-sec? (Looting so his drones shoot you then CONCORDokken) CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Fairhand
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.08 07:47:00 -
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These days many mission runners have Auto Target Back set to zero and drones set to Passive though you will find some AFK runners with drones on Aggressive. If I have my drones on Aggressive due to being in a Guristas mission with jamming, the FIRST thing I will do if I see probes or another ship is set to Passive. |
welsh wizard
Celestial Fish Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:55:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Holy ****. Welcome back man, it is great to see you. Shoot me an evemail if you need catching up.
-Liang
Thanks Liang, it's good to be back. Clearly a hell of a lot has changed so I'm hugging empire until I've re-learnt the ropes. Good to see the Caldari frigs getting some love though. I've already bought a few Harpys and Hawks! Not sure the Crow is up to much these days though. :/ |
Marcus Alkhaar
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2012.03.08 09:30:00 -
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welsh wizard wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
Holy ****. Welcome back man, it is great to see you. Shoot me an evemail if you need catching up.
-Liang
Thanks Liang, it's good to be back. Clearly a hell of a lot has changed so I'm hugging empire until I've re-learnt the ropes. Good to see the Caldari frigs getting some love though. I've already bought a few Harpys and Hawks! Not sure the Crow is up to much these days though. :/
WHAAAAAT UUUPPP! WELSH!!!!!! Long time No see.
If you need isk, just eve-mail me a number.
Steamcat - the easiest way to kill a mission runner is to jump into a frigate(imicus with probes!), scan down their fat battleships (level 2 and 3 skills will do) go loot their cans, get them to agress your imicus and then swap into a dominix with 3x egress port maximizer rigs so you can run your neuts permanently when you warp back to his mission.
3x heavy energy neutralizer 3x medium energy neutralizer
mwd Sensor booster (must have!) warp disruptor Heavy capacitor booster webifier / medium cap booster / webifier / second warp disruptor / sensor booster
3x 1600mm plates 2x energized adaptive nano membranes 1x damage control 1x Armor explosive hardener
I'm 100% positive that a myrmiddon cannot do the same thing as I usually ended up with 20-30% armor after a fight. the myrmiddon cannot neut the target fast enough, nor does it have enough hitpoints to withstand the usual mission runner |
Fairhand
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.08 10:00:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Drone baiting no longer works in hi-sec? (Looting so his drones shoot you then CONCORDokken)
I would actually be interested in knowing what settings control the aggro mechanic in these situations.
If the mission runner is stupid enough to shoot back at a bait ship, fair enough, but are there any settings that will cause the mission runner's drones to auto-shoot the bait ship? |
welsh wizard
Celestial Fish Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:04:00 -
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Marcus Alkhaar wrote:welsh wizard wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
Holy ****. Welcome back man, it is great to see you. Shoot me an evemail if you need catching up.
-Liang
Thanks Liang, it's good to be back. Clearly a hell of a lot has changed so I'm hugging empire until I've re-learnt the ropes. Good to see the Caldari frigs getting some love though. I've already bought a few Harpys and Hawks! Not sure the Crow is up to much these days though. :/ WHAAAAAT UUUPPP! WELSH!!!!!! Long time No see. If you need isk, just eve-mail me a number. Steamcat - the easiest way to kill a mission runner is to jump into a frigate(imicus with probes!), scan down their fat battleships (level 2 and 3 skills will do) go loot their cans, get them to agress your imicus and then swap into a dominix with 3x egress port maximizer rigs so you can run your neuts permanently when you warp back to his mission. 3x heavy energy neutralizer 3x medium energy neutralizer mwd Sensor booster (must have!) warp disruptor Heavy capacitor booster webifier / medium cap booster / webifier / second warp disruptor / sensor booster 3x 1600mm plates 2x energized adaptive nano membranes 1x damage control 1x Armor explosive hardener I'm 100% positive that a myrmiddon cannot do the same thing as I usually ended up with 20-30% armor after a fight. the myrmiddon cannot neut the target fast enough, nor does it have enough hitpoints to withstand the usual mission runner
(little finger in corner of mouth) 1 million isk!
Seriously though, thanks for the offer! Surprised you're still playing actually dude and its a good thing. Is Mech still playing? |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:11:00 -
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Drones will never aggress people for looting - if set to aggressive they only attack people who have performed a hostile action on your ship. |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:17:00 -
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Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Drones will never aggress people for looting - if set to aggressive they only attack people who have performed a hostile action on your ship.
What about with autotarget on? Anyone tried recently? CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.03.08 14:56:00 -
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If you can drive one you could try a Scorp just for the comedic value.
You know he's in a Dominix and you know he won't have ECCM fitted. 3 jammers ought to do the trick, a few neuts in the high slots, some siege launchers, explosive torpedoes.
Just go in and jam him. His drones will already be out so auto aggro wont be a problem. Neut his tank off, add your own dps (which isn't as bad as you'd think when you throw drones in as well) and wait for the explosion. You could even fit a pair of smartbombs to make sure you get his pod if you're feeling particularly spiteful. |
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