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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:45:00 -
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This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
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Korth
Serenity Technology
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:49:00 -
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Industry standards? 30 day for 14.99 is industry standard. How is 60 day for 34.99 industry standard?
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/05/2008 12:53:52
Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Sry wrangler, there is no industry standard please link the formal document for this standard please if other wise, but removing a monthly code is certainly a move away from any industry norm, the only way I could see the supposition that 60 day is a standard is by looking at WoW's pre paid game time codes but look at every other subscription based mmo and you'll find 30 & 90 day options heck theres even 15 day options for some ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
we know that sentence allready :P
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Rorin Cutter
KNIGHTS OF RYCHE
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
I think you can safely say that after 14 pages of don't do this to us, this quote is not working anymore. CCP just did a bang up job of alienating a very large portion of there player base. If thats what you wanted you did fine if not, give us back the choice of how we pay to play eve. Because in the end we all pay to play and we are the customer, not the other way around.
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Pardack
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pardack on 23/05/2008 13:01:06
Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
14 Pages of comments, some of which directly address the 'Industry Standard' fallacy and you're spewing this nonsense still? How is a $5 premium for the use of etc/gtc 'standard' in any way, shape or form? Not to mention the elimination of 30-day option which is the most versatile (and common sense option IMO) option for customers AND and an option that is also available for virtually every MMO.
If you're going to raise prices don't dance around the issue, playing games. At least treat your customers with some respect and be honest about it.
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while not changing monthly fees. Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.
If there is any change in monthly fees, they go DOWN, not up, thats the industry standard.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Industry standand is lowering first time purchase price while not changing monthly fees. Increasing a GTC price and decreasing number of available options is NOT industry standard. Not even EA does that.
If there is any change in monthly fees, they go DOWN, not up, thats the industry standard.
Could this be because the population of eve has recently peaked and the possibility the potential growth of turn over may not grow dramatically any time soon?
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Waste Land
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
This is what I call a punch in the face. Nothing better than repeating that nonsense after 14 pages? |
Karando
Random Goods
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards
Yeah, sure, INDUSTRY STANDARD. Just because Blizzard offers 60-day-GTCs for WoW it doesn't mean it's a ****in industry standard.
If industry standards are so important for you, why don't we add battlegrounds to the World of EVEcraft, eh?! Or maybe give players the opportunity to buy cool looking Tier6 dungeon armor for Ambulation?
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Sidrat Flush
Life is Experience Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Mac Maniac I am seriously considering closing my 2nd account and from what I am hearing from my corpmates; many of them as well. CCP you are heading in entirely the WRONG direction.
Yawn.
Don't worry, your threat to cancel your 'second' account has been noted and falls into a very low to non-existent likelihood of occurance. And if it were to happen, the revenue will quickly be replaced by a real dedicated player once power of two is offered once again.
Thank you CCP for starting to address real paying customers concerns of being able to play the game by 'culling' the free loaders into paying what is more appropriate for an on demand method of payment which is common everywhere else.
How are people who can only purchase codes with cash, free loaders? Sure some buy codes to sell on for ISK. They've still purchased it from a third party company, and now those companies will have to change their eve online page and prices just because CCP wants to increase the price and curtail choice.
For many people, paying direct by debit or credit card isn't an option, so we are forced (unless we stop playing eve, of course) to go through the hoops of the 3rd party resellers, when all we want is the ability to pay for the game time in bite size chunks that we can a) plan for, around personal schedules and b) afford in one lump sum, and continue playing.
It's not rocket science, and those people who have purchased 30 day codes will find they have to pay nearly 50% on top, in one go to re-activate their account.
I'm sure in time everyone will be used to it though, what I'm wondering is how much these 60 day codes will level out at for ISK.
Life is about memories the more the better.
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June K'aral
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
What industry standard?! Based on information from ShatteredCrystal.com, the only 2 MMO's I can see that use just 60 day cards is WOW and LOTRO. Sony uses 30 and 90-day card system(at least 6 MMO's here), NCSoft(City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa,...) has 15, 30, 60-day cards. Why then was the choice made of going with a system that is clearly in the minority? Why not give the players the choice? Wouldn't a system similar to NCSoft's be better? Where you'd have a 30 day for 20$(19.99$), 60 day for 30$(29.99$) and a 90 day for 40(or 38.85$ or even 39.99$). Lack of options could very well drive players away...
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Moff Tigriss
IMpAct Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:14:00 -
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Hmmm, 14 pages of messages, and finaly only one official reaction : two lines copied from the news, and nothing more. It's a joke.
I love CCP, but for the first time, i'm depited by theses manipulations.
Keep 30d and 90d GTC. That's all.
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abraheam
Finis Lumen Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: abraheam on 23/05/2008 13:18:32 The "simplify the system" are the only 3 words that matter from your sentence Wrangler. I have heard them before.
RIP Creature Handler.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Locii on 23/05/2008 13:27:05 Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included
Outside Europe Cost/month Total cost 1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40
just looking at teh 131.40 figure.. $131.40 = ú66.2449 Ç 131.40 = ú104.4179 Ç 131.40= $207.1781(yahoo fiance).
ill be buying my accounts in $ as the rest of us in europe/uk are getting screwed
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speedek
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: speedek on 23/05/2008 13:32:15 14 pages of no's here, 9 pages in Assembly Hall. (and 90% of players don't even know that yet)
Now we will see CCP's care for custumers really.
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou LOL @ The number of eternal quitters.
OH MY GOD SO MANY MORE DOLLARS, WHATEVER WILL WE DO
(Perhaps blame your government for your failing currency?)
Who do I blame when they offer me same numbers only in €? The government for not ******* up the €? This rise has nothing to do with falling dollar and everything to do with a money grab before the game goes down the drain.
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Could you point us to the industry standard? Plenty of games are doing 30+90 day GTCs and not a single one has these kind of prices. How stupid do you think your customers are?
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Lt Angus
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:41:00 -
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Wahhhh ive just discovered the rest of the world and it doesn't revolve arround me
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Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:45:00 -
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Pffftà nice way of telling us to f ourselves, if I wanted wood language I would stay at work or watch some crapy politics channel. Just say the truth, is that hard?
Say : we increased the price of GTC, so all you peeps out there paying with GTCS will have to pay 30% more to play. And yes, we use these 60 day GTC pretext so we can increase prices. We thought you are so dumb you wonÆt notice, also there were those mofos who were leaving 1 big skills to train for 1 month and then reactivate.. cheap bastards, we wanted to get those too. IÆm just appalled how you guys dare to just lie like that to us! PS: For the dummies yelling RMT, people will pay more dollars to get the same ISK from GTC, that means ISK is even more cheaper to buy from sellers and be assured there are enough around to sell it.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler This change is being done to simplify the system and attune our product offerings with industry standards, as mentioned in the news. It does not affect any of our other payment options or subscription plans; you can read about those in the FAQ.
Then you wouldn't mind returning the price/day to the same level as the old 90day GTC? ...and your not at all bothered about removing payment options from your customers?
Also: Someone didn't read the thread before posting.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:46:00 -
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Oh dear :/ It was probably not the best idea to just repeat the phrase everyone's been getting annoyed at. I'll re-iterate a post from earlier that would seem useful about now:
They've made the new GTC price in line with the european subscription price. And let's be clear, who actually relies on GTCs? There are only three types of person who buy GTCs: - Americans with no access to a credit card etc. - Europeans buying US codes to play on the cheap by taking advantage of the weak dollar and lack of tax. - Someone buying them to sell for isk in-game.
The first type can now use PayByCash to pay for their subscription and normal sub rates have not changed for US residents. If they can manage to buy a game time code (e.g. through using paypal), they can almost certainly pay ther sub using PayByCash because PayByCash themselves accept payment from sources like paypal. So the first type of person doesn't rely on GTCs at all. The second type (europeans buying cheap gtcs) shouldn't have been happening and was costing CCP a lot of lost revenue as the dollar plumetted.
The third type is the only type legitimately affected by the change, but since the value of those GTCs in isk depends roughly on their cost in dollars, the effect is that people selling GTCS for isk will see little change but those buying them will. People buying gtcs for isk are thus the only group severely affected by the change and to be clear, I'm part of that group and am not too annoyed by the price change.
What I (and I think most people complaining) are averse to is the removal of the 30d and 90d codes. The most important GTC CCP make is the 30d code as it allows players to play eve on a monthly basis without having more than 150m in their wallet. As most players hover around that mark in their wallet, it's reasonable to assume that a large number of people who buy gtcs with isk currently are going to be negatively affected and potentially will be unable to keep subscribed. The 60d gtc is a great idea on its own and it does conform with a large portion of the industry standard. The 30d and 90d codes also conform with that standard, which you can see if you check gtcs for all major mmos. If the prices change on them, people will complain but they'll get over it. I really can't see a reason why the 30d code has to be removed entirely and that's the main issue at hand which hasn't really been addressed.
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Seetesh
Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:46:00 -
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Lol nice wya of trying to word around it wrangler, we just want the variation of time codes back keep the money we want a choice.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:48:00 -
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i wonder how many people will feel the need to *attune* their number of accounts to *industry standards*..
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:50:00 -
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lol so many ppl whining you little babies.
I bet you guys spend more cash for beer in 1 week than the extra cost of EVE in 1 year
But I wouldn't mind having 120 days and bigger GTC available, having to buy every 2 months is annoying.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 23/05/2008 13:52:24
Originally by: Julian Lynq i wonder how many people will feel the need to *attune* their number of accounts to *industry standards*..
Oh zing
But seriously, not having a 30d and 90d option is almost assuredly going to harm sales and lose CCP potential profit. There's no need for it, it doesn't cost them any extra to make multiple types of code since it's a virtual good. I'm baffled as to why they would do that.
Originally by: Kur'Dekaija But I wouldn't mind having 120 days and bigger GTC available, having to buy every 2 months is annoying.
You could just buy two at a time I suppose.
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Seetesh
Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:54:00 -
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Lol yeah id support an introduction of a 120day gtc aswell btu i still would like 30 and 90days back they can easily apply a new charge for those.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Kur'Dekaija But I wouldn't mind having 120 days and bigger GTC available, having to buy every 2 months is annoying.
You could just buy two at a time I suppose.
that solves it, happy days again
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Lynq i wonder how many people will feel the need to *attune* their number of accounts to *industry standards*..
Oh dang that's a good one
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Darth Sithus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Seetesh Lol yeah id support an introduction of a 120day gtc aswell btu i still would like 30 and 90days back they can easily apply a new charge for those.
Actualy replacing 30d and 90d with 60d and 120d would be good too, but just 60d is just ****.
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