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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:53:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
SKILLS:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:54:00 -
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Don't worry. Their was a recent stealth buff.
CCP has electrified the button.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:07:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:SKILLS:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5. Bah... couldn't care less.
They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those. After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so.
Life is choices - this is an easy one.
If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming.
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David Rivard
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:11:00 -
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No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1027
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:12:00 -
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David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times You're the minority - how does it feel ?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:14:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:SKILLS:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5. Bah... couldn't care less. They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those. After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so. Life is choices - this is an easy one. If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming.
I would just like the option to opt out if it comes to that. I have some hyper specialized characters that just don't need in any way a bunch of unneeded SP in places I don't want it.
Still early yet with the SP thing and I'm sure they haven't figured it out themselves. But options are always good.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:17:00 -
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If they didn't decide to give people racial BC5 / Dessie you will suddenly have people unable to fly all their dictors or CS for up to 4 months post-patch. That sounds fun.
Luckily CCP have spoken and we will have the racial skills to 5 so its a non-issue, train them now if you want them post patch. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1027
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:SKILLS:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5. Bah... couldn't care less. They should just delete the removed skills and reimburse the skillpoints and skillbooks from those. After that people can spend the point to what ever they like. Obviously it is impossible to fly all faction BC's with the amount of points reimbursed, but that will be absolutely same for everyone. If you had trained some skill to 5, you get more skillpoints back than player who had trained some skill only to 4 ... and yes - you can put all those skillpoints even to mining upgrades skill if u please to do so. Life is choices - this is an easy one. If they give more skill points to player A than player B - there is much greater problem and much more whining coming. I would just like the option to opt out if it comes to that. I have some hyper specialized characters that just don't need in any way a bunch of unneeded SP in places I don't want it. Still early yet with the SP thing and I'm sure they haven't figured it out themselves. But options are always good. Mr Epeen
Yea... it may be that easiest option for ccp is to reimburse entire starship skill tree from the parts it is even remotely linked to the changes so people can then freely put their points back where they want to.
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David Rivard
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:25:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times You're the minority - how does it feel ? You're the minority - how does it feel? |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:32:00 -
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David Rivard wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times You're the minority - how does it feel ? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
97
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:37:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:David Rivard wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times You're the minority - how does it feel ? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:40:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:David Rivard wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times You're the minority - how does it feel ? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? You're the minority - how does it feel? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
596
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:42:00 -
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Oh shut up already, who cares about minorities... that didn't come out right.
Anyway, great idea, not sure on the quality execution until after they do it.
Also love the tier removal and rebalance. |
S0mveraa
Isotope Laboratories The Laughing Men
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:46:00 -
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Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out.
P.S. Yup, crying like a new born baby over this, i'll take my dozen or so accounts and .... |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:47:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:SKILLS:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.
As people have only spent x amount of time training them they should only get the same amount back. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
596
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:50:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote:Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out. If you can already fly the ship, you won't have to worry about a thing.
If you can't fly the ship, and wanted to, then you will just have to do a little extra training.
Anyway, the reason this has to be done is because as it stands, the skill tree is unfinished (CCP standard up until Crucible). When the added the dessies and BCs to the game, they just stuck them in without changing the other ship skill trees. They are just now finishing the job. |
Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:57:00 -
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They should have just had racial BC and Dessie in the first place.
All they need to do to fix it is let you have the SPs you've spent on BC or Destroyers and reallocate them to the specific racial ship(s) of your choice...
How is this even debatable?
You don't get free skill points just because you trained BC to 5.
Entitlement kiddies, please keep the whines to yourselves. It's kinda pathetic. |
Gilat Sumat
The Fiction Factory
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:58:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, the reason this has to be done is because as it stands, the skill tree is unfinished (CCP standard up until Crucible). When the added the dessies and BCs to the game, they just stuck them in without changing the other ship skill trees. They are just now finishing the job.
I wouldn't call it finishing the job parse, but they are doing something. How long have the dessies and BCs been in game (6 or 7 years right?) Pretty long time before coming up with an epiphany... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
596
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:00:00 -
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Shogun Archer wrote:They should have just had racial BC and Dessie in the first place.
All they need to do to fix it is let you have the SPs you've spent on BC or Destroyers and reallocate them to the specific racial ship(s) of your choice...
How is this even debatable?
You don't get free skill points just because you trained BC to 5.
Entitlement kiddies, please keep the whines to yourselves. It's kinda pathetic. No they have to (per their own admission) give the "free" skill points.
We can already fly the ships. Some of us have and use the BCs of more than one race. It would be completely moronic to expect us not to be able to use ships we have been using since their introduction.
Anyway, the SP isn't free, as the required SP doesn't yet exist. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
596
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:03:00 -
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Though my question is, how will they handle paradoxes?
For example: I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode? |
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Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:04:00 -
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No, you should just not be able to use the ships anymore.
Train it to one, and then you can use it again, then you can get over it.
Of course CCP will cave to the softies, but they shouldn't. The best way to handle it is to just strip the BC/Destroyer skils, give back the spent skill points and put in the new skills.
The REAL oversight was when they implemented the singular BC/Destroyer skill in the first place. That was the mistake. Now they are doing it correctly. |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:06:00 -
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S0mveraa wrote:Tier removal and re-balancing of ships is awesome. What in the hell is wrong with a generic BC and destroyer skill tho? Other then making me have to train destroyers to atleast 4 on multiple accounts, in multiple different races now, even tho i don't even USE a destroyer on any of them. I've played eve for 5 years, if this happens as stated in the dev blog, i'm out.
P.S. Yup, crying like a new born baby over this, i'll take my dozen or so accounts and ....
You don't need to train anything.
It would only affect new skills being learnt.
Skill prerequisites are only checked on injection. once injected, you can train at will.
Ship prerequisites are only checked at one level.
So a cruiser, has racial cruiser as a prereq. It doesn't actually check if you have racial frigate too. (as it's impossible to get, right now. no point in walking the tree). The insertion of destroyers will make no difference, unless there's a cruiser skill you don't yet have, and want. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3384
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:18:00 -
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Why in the heck are people still complaining?
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:43:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Why in the heck are people still complaining?
Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:48:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Why in the heck are people still complaining? Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog.
I've read the blog and as far as splitting up destroyers and BC skills are concerned. It's just bull.
Maybe CCP think by creating more skills from the skills we have they're adding content. |
Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:52:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Why in the heck are people still complaining? Because they suffer from ADD and cant bother comprehending such a long blog. I've read the blog and as far as splitting up destroyers and BC skills are concerned. It's just bull. Maybe CCP think by creating more skills from the skills we have they're adding content.
"It's just bull."
Ok, well you turned me around on my way of thinking. Holy hell, hard to argue against your logic there.
Thanks. |
Indy Rider
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:
For example: I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?
Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC. |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
12
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:54:00 -
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David Rivard wrote:No. The entire IDEA that they should remove the generic battlecruiser and destroyer skills in favor of more race specific training is abhorrent and short sited.
I clicked unsub four times
We dont want Whinney babies like you anyways. Go hang yourself. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
86
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:59:00 -
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Indy Rider wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:
For example: I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?
Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC.
Had you read the blog
"Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."
Their principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today" |
Indy Rider
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:06:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Indy Rider wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:
For example: I do not have any Gallente ship skills. But, following their plan, I would then have the skills for the dessie and BC of Gallente without the prerequisites. Will this cause the server to explode?
Thats what I want to know. Though personally I find it more likely that in that case you wouldn't get Gallente BC. Had you read the blog "Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers."
Yes. The part I'm not entirely clear on, is for example, consider that someone never had the pre reqs Minmatar Frigate and Cruiser to the required levels to fly the Hurricane in the first place, yet had BC5 to fly the Harbinger. Therefore, they couldn't fly a Hurricane today, so they have no reason to get given Minmatar Battlecruiser V. It seems, with BC5 people will get racial BC5, they've also said no need to retrain, what if they never trained those skills in the first place? |
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