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Karl Wyvern
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:28:00 -
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I have read different schools of thought about a Raven kitted for Torps and for Cruise. I fly a CNR for lvl 4's, what is the best weapons system to earn decent isk?
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:30:00 -
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You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
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Mordican
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mordican on 23/05/2008 16:43:57 If your talking PvE... stick with Cruise missles. You can shoot at stuff at your max targeting range while they close on you. You also have rats that will orbit at 50km+ that you would otherwise have to close range with for torps. At max skills in a CNR I believe the range is 35ish KM. If you could us a MWD in deadspace then maybe, but you cannot.
If you KNOW that the bulk of the large ships will be attacking you at close range, then you can switch to Torps for the mission, something like the Damsel in Distress where the BS's are all close range fighters.
I fly CNR on my Caldari alt as well so that is from personal expirence.
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L337hax0r Altposter
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:45:00 -
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CNR with tech2 siege launchers, would have around 300pg left after fitting 7 launchers, with all relevant skills at level 5, so you'd need a fitting module or 2 to fit some kind of a tank, and raven's slow, so you might want afterburner on it aswell, which takes even more pg.
Golem and regular raven are much better suited for torps than the cnr
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mordican If your talking PvE... stick with Cruise missles. You can shoot at stuff at your max targeting range while they close on you. You also have rats that will orbit at 50km+ that you would otherwise have to close range with for torps. At max skills in a CNR I believe the range is 35ish KM. If you could us a MWD in deadspace then maybe, but you cannot.
If you KNOW that the bulk of the large ships will be attacking you at close range, then you can switch to Torps for the mission, something like the Damsel in Distress where the BS's are all close range fighters.
Most mission torp setups do best with the option to use Javelins, which requires T2 launchers. However, the CNR will have a helluva time finding the cpu to fit a full load of T2 launchers. With T1 launchers, you would want missile rigs, which jack up the cpu requirement too. It's a very tight fit to say the least.
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ThaDollaGenerale
Endless Destruction Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: Boz Well You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
Um... ok.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:19:00 -
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If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
:facepalm:
Someone's not got the slightest clue about Siege launchers and Ravens...
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: Boz Well You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
WTF!? Did you know that if I fit 6 (only 6!) neutron blaster II's on my domi, that I'm short 1500 grid - and that's with all skills at level 5!
Man, bosot the domi because its grid sucks plx kthxby -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Boz Well on 24/05/2008 04:02:20
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: Boz Well You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
WTF!? Did you know that if I fit 6 (only 6!) neutron blaster II's on my domi, that I'm short 1500 grid - and that's with all skills at level 5!
Man, bosot the domi because its grid sucks plx kthxby
Edit: Sigh. Drunken Boz put the :lol: in the middle of the quote... trying this again
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:05:00 -
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Gotta love drunk liang poasts.. ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: Boz Well You're going to have a helluva time fitting torps on your CNR. I'd go with cruise, and if you want to use torps, train for golem.
If you have reasonable fitting skills, you should never have a helluva time fitting the main pvp weapon system on the platform it was designed for.
WTF!? Did you know that if I fit 6 (only 6!) neutron blaster II's on my domi, that I'm short 1500 grid - and that's with all skills at level 5!
Man, bosot the domi because its grid sucks plx kthxby
Quoting, because he's so drunk he forgot to sign his post
-Liang
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic Quoting, because he's so drunk he forgot to sign his post
-Liang
***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:16:00 -
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Cruise all the way baby. But anyway, back to the point... I'm awesome :D |
Gabriel Virtus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:39:00 -
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Fitting torps on the CNR is possible, but you will run into fitting problems even with your fitting skills at 5. I have tried using torps, but they are simply TOO short range. You cannot use a MWD in missions, so you are relegated to AB. Trust me, it takes TOO long, especially if you are looking for high isk/hour, to get within range of many other ships ( especially those bastard t2 cruisers and battleships that fly away from you...). Stick with the cruise missiles. Even though the dps is lower, you will be able to shoot from long distances (distances when your torps couldn't be used). The time it takes to get within range in missions makes them impractical to use. Stick with the cruises.
Fly Safe -Gabriel
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Fitting torps on the CNR is possible, but you will run into fitting problems even with your fitting skills at 5. I have tried using torps, but they are simply TOO short range. You cannot use a MWD in missions, so you are relegated to AB. Trust me, it takes TOO long, especially if you are looking for high isk/hour, to get within range of many other ships ( especially those bastard t2 cruisers and battleships that fly away from you...). Stick with the cruise missiles. Even though the dps is lower, you will be able to shoot from long distances (distances when your torps couldn't be used). The time it takes to get within range in missions makes them impractical to use. Stick with the cruises.
Fly Safe -Gabriel
Torp range is perfectly fine with Javs and range rigs. Nothing for the low skilled though.
Make suicide ganking more difficult!
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Gabriel Virtus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 24/05/2008 13:06:30
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Fitting torps on the CNR is possible, but you will run into fitting problems even with your fitting skills at 5. I have tried using torps, but they are simply TOO short range. You cannot use a MWD in missions, so you are relegated to AB. Trust me, it takes TOO long, especially if you are looking for high isk/hour, to get within range of many other ships ( especially those bastard t2 cruisers and battleships that fly away from you...). Stick with the cruise missiles. Even though the dps is lower, you will be able to shoot from long distances (distances when your torps couldn't be used). The time it takes to get within range in missions makes them impractical to use. Stick with the cruises.
Fly Safe -Gabriel
Torp range is perfectly fine with Javs and range rigs. Nothing for the low skilled though.
Which is why I listed fitting problems as well. Even with t2 javelins, you are not going to be hitting groups of mobs that are 100km away... Their is still are significant difference between the ranges. The best set up depends on what missions you are flying. Missions that are spread out, cruises will do much better than torps. Most lvl 4 missions ARE spread out or will be when the mobs are aggro'd. In order to make torps relevent, you will need a ton of SP. Cruises at medium skills are much better than torps on a CNR. You will get better isk/hour in cruises on avg than torps.
-Gabriel
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MrRookie
Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:22:00 -
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I used the CRN with torps before I could afford the golem. If you have launcher rigging lvl 4, navy hardners, Domi/Caldari Navy booster and BCUs it should work. The problem is the CPU not the grid. On the other hand cruise missiles work probably just aswell on the CNR. Not to mention you gonna spend alot of Javelin missiles. But if you like torps, by all means go ahead.
Fitt it like you normaly would, except with a missile speed and a missile flight time rig. + a ccc rig. Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: MrRookie I used the CRN with torps before I could afford the golem. If you have launcher rigging lvl 4, navy hardners, Domi/Caldari Navy booster and BCUs it should work. The problem is the CPU not the grid. On the other hand cruise missiles work probably just aswell on the CNR. Not to mention you gonna spend alot of Javelin missiles. But if you like torps, by all means go ahead.
Fitt it like you normaly would, except with a missile speed and a missile flight time rig. + a ccc rig.
You're going to need a good bit of faction gear to make it work and top notch skills. The CPU is too tight to get by with T2 gear. Just slapping some things together, this will come out at 899.36/900 CPU with max fitting skills. I personally love torps, and it's doable to fit them on a CNR. However, it's still a challenge.
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:58:00 -
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Assuming you could afford it, wouldn't it be better to have a Torp Golem and a Cruise CNR? You could use then the right ship for the mission.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Assuming you could afford it, wouldn't it be better to have a Torp Golem and a Cruise CNR? You could use then the right ship for the mission.
Yes. Although, you could have 2 golems for maximum laziness factor. One with torps, one with cruises. With the main difference being tank/dmg and rigs.
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Rellana
DAB THE VILLAGE PE0PLE
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:52:00 -
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That setup screams "gank me" in high-sec and in 0.0.One guy scanning your fittings and you'd have a gang trying to scan you out shortly,so watch out.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rellana That setup screams "gank me" in high-sec and in 0.0.One guy scanning your fittings and you'd have a gang trying to scan you out shortly,so watch out.
That's why I fit cruise on CNR
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Assuming you could afford it, wouldn't it be better to have a Torp Golem and a Cruise CNR? You could use then the right ship for the mission.
Yes. Although, you could have 2 golems for maximum laziness factor. One with torps, one with cruises. With the main difference being tank/dmg and rigs.
I thought that CNR was better with Cruises than the Golem.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Assuming you could afford it, wouldn't it be better to have a Torp Golem and a Cruise CNR? You could use then the right ship for the mission.
Yes. Although, you could have 2 golems for maximum laziness factor. One with torps, one with cruises. With the main difference being tank/dmg and rigs.
I thought that CNR was better with Cruises than the Golem.
CNR can't use 40km tractors, IE laziness factor.
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Deschenus Maximus
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
CNR can't use 40km tractors, IE laziness factor.
Fair point lol
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Steyr Daghan
thx for all the fish Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Wyvern I have read different schools of thought about a Raven kitted for Torps and for Cruise. I fly a CNR for lvl 4's, what is the best weapons system to earn decent isk?
Did you buy isk for real money or something?
Because it seems unlikely that anyone would be able to earn the iskies for a cnr without at the same time getting enough of a clue to answer this question.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:45:00 -
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7 siege II 1 medium unstable neutralizer
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Originally by: Karl Wyvern I have read different schools of thought about a Raven kitted for Torps and for Cruise. I fly a CNR for lvl 4's, what is the best weapons system to earn decent isk?
Did you buy isk for real money or something?
Because it seems unlikely that anyone would be able to earn the iskies for a cnr without at the same time getting enough of a clue to answer this question.
Meh, the answer isn't completely clear cut. I don't think he was considering rockets versus cruise. And it's possible to use torps, it's just not cheap/easy.
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Steyr Daghan
thx for all the fish Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Did you buy isk for real money or something?
Because it seems unlikely that anyone would be able to earn the iskies for a cnr without at the same time getting enough of a clue to answer this question.
Meh, the answer isn't completely clear cut. I don't think he was considering rockets versus cruise. And it's possible to use torps, it's just not cheap/easy.
Actually for the cnr I'd say it is pretty clear cut. But that wasn't even my point.
The point was that unless he bought the cnr before ever running a level 4 in a vanilla raven, he shouldn't have to ask. Anyone who's done enough l4s to want a cnr simply has to be able to a) look at the numbers and make an educated guess at what will work b) try it out in a mission, c) evaluate the result and d) come to a conclusion.
Hence the post is silly and sounds like someone who bought the cnr before his first ever solo lvl 4.
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