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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:15:00 -
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Ive been mission scamming with some friends for a while and this is what happen they negatived one my alts wallet was negative 300 then i asked them to do a further investigation of my wallet and then i come back like day later I was minus 1,7 bill on trainingbras and 1.9 on lynisle they took the isk i received from people that i killed while mission scamming and they said Further investigation of all your accounts revealed that you had in fact bought substantially more ISK. This player sat docked for his entire EVE carrier, receiving large amounts of cash from macro ratters, miners, account hacker...etc and its kinda bs hard earned isk :) shouldent i get my isk back that i ransomed from the people in ships then they blew up :) so yeh tell me what you all think.
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Flipout
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle Ive been mission scamming with some friends for a while and this is what happen they negatived one my alts wallet was negative 300 then i asked them to do a further investigation of my wallet and then i come back like day later I was minus 1,7 bill on trainingbras and 1.9 on lynisle they took the isk i received from people that i killed while mission scamming and they said Further investigation of all your accounts revealed that you had in fact bought substantially more ISK. This player sat docked for his entire EVE carrier, receiving large amounts of cash from macro ratters, miners, account hacker...etc and its kinda bs hard earned isk :) shouldent i get my isk back that i ransomed from the people in ships then they blew up :) so yeh tell me what you all think.
That's why you don't ransom macro haulers etc ;) I believe I saw a post on here awhile ago, cant remember if it was GM/Player but it said something like if you can show proof that the money was from ransom (Screencap?Logs?) that it may be returned.
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:25:00 -
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i didnt i ransomed every one we killed
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Flipout
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle i didnt i ransomed every one we killed
Yeah and if they were isk buyers/farmers or w/e its tainted isk in your wallet.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:30:00 -
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email CCP about it.
either your being for real, or you used ransoming as an excuse for isk buying?
or, you got your isk form people that bought or farmed isk.
I would send them your logs, you should have all of those chats saved on your computer.
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:33:00 -
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my comp got fried but i havent played eve for like 4 or 3 months been wating on new comp but have my harddrive gota hook it up for chat logs
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:58:00 -
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I do recall seeing a post from CCP about this so having them look at it again cannt hurt. I dont know how they can go about checking this, but then its not my job to know. Good luck.
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Aquidus Nefron
Department of Defence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:03:00 -
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they need to quit punishing players for macro'ers. If they can prove you bought isk then yes, but this isn't the first time I have heard of this happining, when dealing with ppl to later find out that were/are macro'ers.
I had 2 frieds quit a while back because 1(who was filthy rich) gave large amounts of isk to the other. They knew each other in real life, so it wasn't a big deal. Well CCP took all the isk away saying the 1 was a macro'er, and banned his account.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:04:00 -
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The secstatus hit logs (for attacking them) should be easily corroborated with paid ransoms. Keep escalating until the issue is solved. IF you did what you claim you did (and wasn't just trying to conceal an ISK buy by pretending to ransom), then you should be exhonerated eventually and have the ISK returned.
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The secstatus hit logs (for attacking them) should be easily corroborated with paid ransoms. Keep escalating until the issue is solved. IF you did what you claim you did (and wasn't just trying to conceal an ISK buy by pretending to ransom), then you should be exhonerated eventually and have the ISK returned.
This
There are always logs, you just need to make sure that you are looking for the right things.
If you got the ISK from a legitmate randsom, then it should be fairly obvious from the history of your game play and your ISK should be returned to you.
If the randsom was a cover up, then it should be fairly obvious, and there is no point lieing about it.
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Tyrantus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 04:50:00 -
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To the OP. Next time don't accept your isk from a reseller by 'ransoming' him. Future Member Of The 24th Imperial |
Slate Fistcrunch
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Posted - 2008.05.24 05:03:00 -
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I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. 1.7 + 1.9 + 0.3 = 3.9 billion isk You say you were doing "mission scamming" and they took the isk "you received from people that you killed". Clarify this for me.
Are you saying that you successfully ransomed 3.9 billion worth of isk from people? Was this 78 instances of 50m isk ransoms or like 3 ransoms of 1 billion each (in which case I want to hear the story)?
Or are you saying you killed ships in missions and got 3.9 billion in dropped module loot? If this is the case, I see no reason that CCP would suspect isk buying since you have no guarantee valuable mods will survive the wreck.
If I understand you correctly, it seems like you are saying you ransomed 3.9 billion and blew up their ships. If so, there should be logs of some very nice ships exploding (no one will pay high ransom for crappy ship).
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Zurrar
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:11:00 -
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i uhh, randsomed some noob in eve for this 23 million dollars... i know nothing of the bank robery!
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:18:00 -
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If you think i should get my isk back say I i have logs of the chats but I have to find them, I have kills on battle clinic of the ships ive ransomed and killed you guys can look Just put an I if you think i should get my isk back
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:34:00 -
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Who really cares what anyone posting in the forums think? CCP isn't going to come check the forum and add up the votes and then decided to give you the isk back or not. You might not like it but your going to have to get a senior GM to review everything and your going to have to maybe help them along by providing them information I think. Kind of pointing them in the right direction sort of speak.
Really if you blew up 3 or 4 ships for 4 billion I am going to have to say I think your trying to beat the system and buy ISK. If you have 75 to 100 kills or more where you blew up ships and ransom pods and all that pirate related stuff then I think you have a good chance of getting CCP to see the light.
I personnel don't care enough to check your kills and ask to see your logs. I feel that you will either get CCP to review it and say gee we made a mistake or they will just say so sad to bad.
Now if your not guilty of anything other then being a pirate I hope this works out for ya.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:43:00 -
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If you "casually" have ransomed only or almost only isk sellers, no hope, if you can prove that ransoming and killing the ship is your usual activity and only occasionally you have done that to isk sellers probably you will get your isk back.
On a less related topic: nice way to eliminate your targets first ransom then killing. Then you are surprised if they don't return.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 24/05/2008 06:51:19 Thing is... I have done ransoming of ISK farmers in Empire... and the way I did it was w/o asking/accepting ISK. Because I know for a fact that CCP has no way of verifying that someone did not buying ISK.... all they see is a transfer of funds from character X to character Y, with character X being part of the RMT effort.
The way to do it is to make them jettison all the ore, and take their ore, or kill and loot their ships, nothing more. If you accept ISK from an RMT element as ransom, you thus further their effort in EVE, because, after all, for them that 100 mill is nothing... they have hundreds of low wage game slaves harvesting this ISK, and if 100 Mill or 1 Bill buys them peace of mind that you will not bother them again, well, then so be it.
Of course, if CCP did this to you, and you were ransoming/scamming RMT interests, CCP should do it to those Alliances that ran the "Scam the RMT" deal for a long long time in 0.0... since they would accept ISK from the group of RMT farmers, get them to 0.0 have them settle in comfortably and they would slaughter them by the dozens...
Yes, an excellent way to scam ISK farmer, but then they should also loose the ISK... and be put in the negative...
Edit: I would like to know exactly HOW you managed to ransom whatever billions CCP took away from you... really, tell us your technique, since I am sure myself and many other people who are aware of many EVE mechanics will be able to tell if this is BS or has a modicum of truth to it.
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle Ive been mission scamming with some friends for a while and this is what happen they negatived one my alts wallet was negative 300 then i asked them to do a further investigation of my wallet and then i come back like day later I was minus 1,7 bill on trainingbras and 1.9 on lynisle they took the isk i received from people that i killed while mission scamming and they said Further investigation of all your accounts revealed that you had in fact bought substantially more ISK. This player sat docked for his entire EVE carrier, receiving large amounts of cash from macro ratters, miners, account hacker...etc and its kinda bs hard earned isk :) shouldent i get my isk back that i ransomed from the people in ships then they blew up :) so yeh tell me what you all think.
CCP has set the precedent. If you are lying they have the right to come to the forums and humiliate you. Especially since your insistence on an investigation brought the hammer down.
The fact that you admit getting cash from account hackers puts a large size dent in your credibility. And since your idea of scamming is sitting in a station and receiving tribute your case is already looking very shaky. Finally, four billion is a lot of ransom - a suspiciously large amount.
If you did take a security hit, I suspect you thought that you could buy ISK safely by shooting the sellers ship - making it look like there was a ransom. CCP has many faults - but they are smart enough to see if a ransom is way out of proportion for the ships you shot at. They probably also have access to what those ships were carrying.
Now, if you are telling the truth than I hope you get your money back. But given the fact that you openly admit to receiving cash from hacked accounts I think it is much more likely you deserve a far more serious punishment than you got.
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Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:15:00 -
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Nubs, Nubs, Nubs!!!!
The all of you! Christ I can't believe, Nubs!!!!
You all hereby revoked of your forum privelagedges, Nubs! all of you!
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:16:00 -
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http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-Out-Rage-kills.html
ALL of my scams are posted there.
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Joy
Originally by: Lynisle Ive been mission scamming with some friends for a while and this is what happen they negatived one my alts wallet was negative 300 then i asked them to do a further investigation of my wallet and then i come back like day later I was minus 1,7 bill on trainingbras and 1.9 on lynisle they took the isk i received from people that i killed while mission scamming and they said Further investigation of all your accounts revealed that you had in fact bought substantially more ISK. This player sat docked for his entire EVE carrier, receiving large amounts of cash from macro ratters, miners, account hacker...etc and its kinda bs hard earned isk :) shouldent i get my isk back that i ransomed from the people in ships then they blew up :) so yeh tell me what you all think.
CCP has set the precedent. If you are lying they have the right to come to the forums and humiliate you. Especially since your insistence on an investigation brought the hammer down.
The fact that you admit getting cash from account hackers puts a large size dent in your credibility. And since your idea of scamming is sitting in a station and receiving tribute your case is already looking very shaky. Finally, four billion is a lot of ransom - a suspiciously large amount.
If you did take a security hit, I suspect you thought that you could buy ISK safely by shooting the sellers ship - making it look like there was a ransom. CCP has many faults - but they are smart enough to see if a ransom is way out of proportion for the ships you shot at. They probably also have access to what those ships were carrying.
Now, if you are telling the truth than I hope you get your money back. But given the fact that you openly admit to receiving cash from hacked accounts I think it is much more likely you deserve a far more serious punishment than you got.
Your dumb, I never admitted anything and you can't read... I posted what they said in the petition reply.
and when you ransom Freighters it's not hard to get 4bill
If you go ask "Selene D'Celeste" in game she will tell you herself that we ransomed her in Motsu(Caldari Space).
Her killmail is here
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Out-Rage&id=3223726&page=6&filter=kills#mail
We have other freighter kills on our Battleclinic boards as well if you would like to check them.
You will find those here Out-Rage Killboards
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spanky herman
Gulfonodi Industries Shadow Donkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle
and when you ransom Freighters it's not hard to get 4bill
If you go ask "Selene D'Celeste" in game she will tell you herself that we ransomed her in Motsu(Caldari Space).
Her killmail is here
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Out-Rage&id=3223726&page=6&filter=kills#mail
We have other freighter kills on our Battleclinic boards as well if you would like to check them.
You will find those here Out-Rage Killboards
Wouldn't it be more informative to post the kills and the wallet to show the contributions? I hate to ask but did any of the others you do this with get their isk seized? I really hate to add anything to this thread to make it longer, posting here wont solve your problem - petition, provide evidence, use the channels CCP has.
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker Edited by: Jinx Barker on 24/05/2008 06:51:19 Thing is... I have done ransoming of ISK farmers in Empire... and the way I did it was w/o asking/accepting ISK. Because I know for a fact that CCP has no way of verifying that someone did not buying ISK.... all they see is a transfer of funds from character X to character Y, with character X being part of the RMT effort.
The way to do it is to make them jettison all the ore, and take their ore, or kill and loot their ships, nothing more. If you accept ISK from an RMT element as ransom, you thus further their effort in EVE, because, after all, for them that 100 mill is nothing... they have hundreds of low wage game slaves harvesting this ISK, and if 100 Mill or 1 Bill buys them peace of mind that you will not bother them again, well, then so be it.
Of course, if CCP did this to you, and you were ransoming/scamming RMT interests, CCP should do it to those Alliances that ran the "Scam the RMT" deal for a long long time in 0.0... since they would accept ISK from the group of RMT farmers, get them to 0.0 have them settle in comfortably and they would slaughter them by the dozens...
Yes, an excellent way to scam ISK farmer, but then they should also loose the ISK... and be put in the negative...
Edit: I would like to know exactly HOW you managed to ransom whatever billions CCP took away from you... really, tell us your technique, since I am sure myself and many other people who are aware of many EVE mechanics will be able to tell if this is BS or has a modicum of truth to it.
I have 2 corporations and 1 alt.
I have Corporation A at war with Corporation B. I then use my alt to roam around looking for people to help me with mission/missions and get them to join my gang. Once they are in gang I warp them to a safe spot where Corporation A is waiting. I then invite a member from Corporation B into my gang which then makes the guy who is helping me on the mission a valid WAR TARGET to Corporation A. Once you join a gang who is at war, you become a war target and it's the same thing if you invite someone into your gang while you already have a gang made. If you have a gang made and you invite someone to it that is at war, your entire gang becomes valid war targets to the corporation there at war with. Once we warp in upon the safe spot, I have my friends in Corporation A waiting there with a fast locking frigate fitted with 1-2 senor boosters and has everyone else has there drones on assist to the fast locking frigate so that when the frigate attacks all the drones that are on assist attack to. This way ALL gang members gain aggro and there are no CONCORD mistakes. EVERYONE gains aggro and because drones are smart if the player leaves gang before he can make the attack only the frig gets CONCORDED not anyone else.
Once we have all engaged we take the victim down to about half armor or just all his armor and a bit way into structure and then ransom. We take the ransom and then kill the victim. The post I just posted about the Freighter kill, we ransomed her for 900mill then killed her and made 3.2bill in loot
If you check the kill boards you will see we have MULTIPLE kills in Dodixie and also in Motsu.
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Mother Drone
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:04:00 -
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Stop whining. You really have to be more optimistic. Seriously. Eve is a sandbox game - that's what people like you are always stating. You scammed helpless mission runner and CCP scammed you. Use it as a possibilty to experience your victim's feelings and become stronger, hehe.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle ...stuff... (basic war dec trap)
Ok, I figured it had to be something like that. So in other words you are using a basic "War Dec" trap on those who do not know, do not want to know, do not read forums, or want to learn about EVE mechanics.
So, it had to be that those people whom you ransomed/ganked bought ISK, and have transfered the ISK to you and yours when they were trapped. As such, as others have suggested above, it is pretty imperative to locate the logs and prove to CCP that it was not bought ISK/RMT transfers.
What I am wondering about is if, a well known player who practice(s)(d) this tactic for a very long time, Lofty, has ever been hit with something like this... because certainly he caused enough stir on this here forums from dozens of people on whom he used that tactic... and as far as I know ganked hundreds of people in Mission Hubs - but also, as far as I know, has never fallen victim to a misfortune like being accused of buying ISK by CCP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle lofty scam with a twist
People STILL fall for that ?
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Lynisle ...stuff... (basic war dec trap)
Ok, I figured it had to be something like that. So in other words you are using a basic "War Dec" trap on those who do not know, do not want to know, do not read forums, or want to learn about EVE mechanics.
So, it had to be that those people whom you ransomed/ganked bought ISK, and have transfered the ISK to you and yours when they were trapped. As such, as others have suggested above, it is pretty imperative to locate the logs and prove to CCP that it was not bought ISK/RMT transfers.
What I am wondering about is if, a well known player who practice(s)(d) this tactic for a very long time, Lofty, has ever been hit with something like this... because certainly he caused enough stir on this here forums from dozens of people on whom he used that tactic... and as far as I know ganked hundreds of people in Mission Hubs - but also, as far as I know, has never fallen victim to a misfortune like being accused of buying ISK by CCP.
Honestly I find very hard to believe that isk sellers characters will fall for a Lofty scam.
Macro farmers/sweatshop workers coming to the rescue or helping a player to complete a mission? Seriously, where you find them?
They have absolutely no reason to help you. It is possible that you have ransomed players that have brought isk, but that is not coherent with CCP answer to your petition.
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5pinDizzy
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 24/05/2008 09:03:15
If you're lying, I'm not surprised, I find it very hard to believe you myself. You're nearly always apparently ransoming an isk seller/hacker etc... And your alt has never undocked according to CCP. Which makes me wonder why you even bother having an alt for anything legitimate.
IF you're telling the truth, you said you killed everyone you ransomed, the recorded killmail timestamps should tally up pretty darn close to the ransoms given ... should be timed within at least a few minutes of each other, and the amounts given from each ship loss should make sense.
What I suspect is this was a laundering operation by giving obscene amounts over worth many times the ship that was supposedely being ransomed.
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Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:02:00 -
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One of my alts had its wallet set into -4b once because my main send the iskies. A week later my alt was banned because i removed the -4b by adding another 8b.
2 weeks later my alt was unbanned and wallet reset to propper amounts because CCP saw their mistake.
Patience and being civil gets you futher then crying and whining. -- Real men corpse tank Fallout Project Forums The Chaotic Order Forums |
Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lynisle on 24/05/2008 10:02:38 Edited by: Lynisle on 24/05/2008 09:58:27 Well considering I just logged in an checked my losses. I found this one and I actually remember this scam because he was in a nighthawk and got concorded.
2008.03.15 21:11:00
Victim: Trainingbras Alliance: NONE Corp: Black Knights Rage Destroyed: Capsule System: Motsu Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 346
Involved parties:
Name: Sir Kerry (laid the final blow) Security: -2.5 Alliance: Sylph Alliance Corp: Phoenix Industries Ship: Capsule Weapon: Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Damage Done: 346
What I am confused about is, if Trainingbras has stayed docked his ENTIRE EVE CARRIER... how did he die in his pod? and what about the other 12 losses on the character? Did BOB come along or maby GoonSwarm and like blow the station up while I was sleeping? o.0 Noooo I don't think so.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Sir+Kerry&id=3249612&page=1&filter=losses#mail
There's Sir Kerry's loss to prove he died, if u click "Original" you will see CONCORD Commander was involved to prove he did get CONCORDED for killing my alt who supposedly stayed docked her entire EVE life.
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