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Weer Treyt
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:04:00 -
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So you are screaming "unfair" at CCP? You, pulling the lofty scheme regularly? I have no idea why this is funny to me...
Weer Treyt
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:14:00 -
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Why hasn't anyone asked for the API key yet?
Quit the stories, show evidence.
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Squirrrel
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Weer Treyt So you are screaming "unfair" at CCP? You, pulling the lofty scheme regularly? I have no idea why this is funny to me...
Weer Treyt
Maybe because one of them appears to be in the rules/mechanics of the game and is legal, fair and well published to those that bother to read and don't think they can just play without looking for information....
... and the other that appears (on the face of it) to be guilty until proven innocent which I think most people would agree is largely unfair.
With so much ISK changing hands on the server every single day, how do any of us know if the isk is tainted or not? Maybe that guy that bought that mod off you, got it with bought isk. That would make you liable too. You really want that?
I would imagine its funny to you because you're a carebear or just a googy-goody who think he should make the rules. Laugh it up, just hope you're not next up having to prove your innocence...
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle
Originally by: Jinx Barker Edited by: Jinx Barker on 24/05/2008 06:51:19 Thing is... I have done ransoming of ISK farmers in Empire... and the way I did it was w/o asking/accepting ISK. Because I know for a fact that CCP has no way of verifying that someone did not buying ISK.... all they see is a transfer of funds from character X to character Y, with character X being part of the RMT effort.
The way to do it is to make them jettison all the ore, and take their ore, or kill and loot their ships, nothing more. If you accept ISK from an RMT element as ransom, you thus further their effort in EVE, because, after all, for them that 100 mill is nothing... they have hundreds of low wage game slaves harvesting this ISK, and if 100 Mill or 1 Bill buys them peace of mind that you will not bother them again, well, then so be it.
Of course, if CCP did this to you, and you were ransoming/scamming RMT interests, CCP should do it to those Alliances that ran the "Scam the RMT" deal for a long long time in 0.0... since they would accept ISK from the group of RMT farmers, get them to 0.0 have them settle in comfortably and they would slaughter them by the dozens...
Yes, an excellent way to scam ISK farmer, but then they should also loose the ISK... and be put in the negative...
Edit: I would like to know exactly HOW you managed to ransom whatever billions CCP took away from you... really, tell us your technique, since I am sure myself and many other people who are aware of many EVE mechanics will be able to tell if this is BS or has a modicum of truth to it.
I have 2 corporations and 1 alt.
I have Corporation A at war with Corporation B. I then use my alt to roam around looking for people to help me with mission/missions and get them to join my gang. Once they are in gang I warp them to a safe spot where Corporation A is waiting. I then invite a member from Corporation B into my gang which then makes the guy who is helping me on the mission a valid WAR TARGET to Corporation A. Once you join a gang who is at war, you become a war target and it's the same thing if you invite someone into your gang while you already have a gang made. If you have a gang made and you invite someone to it that is at war, your entire gang becomes valid war targets to the corporation there at war with. Once we warp in upon the safe spot, I have my friends in Corporation A waiting there with a fast locking frigate fitted with 1-2 senor boosters and has everyone else has there drones on assist to the fast locking frigate so that when the frigate attacks all the drones that are on assist attack to. This way ALL gang members gain aggro and there are no CONCORD mistakes. EVERYONE gains aggro and because drones are smart if the player leaves gang before he can make the attack only the frig gets CONCORDED not anyone else.
Once we have all engaged we take the victim down to about half armor or just all his armor and a bit way into structure and then ransom. We take the ransom and then kill the victim. The post I just posted about the Freighter kill, we ransomed her for 900mill then killed her and made 3.2bill in loot
If you check the kill boards you will see we have MULTIPLE kills in Dodixie and also in Motsu.
Dont expect anyone to pay up ransoms after reading this lol, your supposed to let them go after they pay up.
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Ivorian
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:04:00 -
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You just fell for the anti scam scam.
Person A buying ISK with a new char, getting into a ransom on purpose, giving you the bought money, and bang. you are the one who is getting caught for ISK buying :).
i dont see anything bad in it. its a new profession. Scam he Scammer. Really good one
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ivorian You just fell for the anti scam scam.
Person A buying ISK with a new char, getting into a ransom on purpose, giving you the bought money, and bang. you are the one who is getting caught for ISK buying :).
i dont see anything bad in it. its a new profession. Scam he Scammer. Really good one
Hope to god you're just trolling.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:07:00 -
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The day someone explain to me how he get a sweatshop farmer to help him in a mission so he can do a Lofty I will believe Lynisle claims have some value.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:14:00 -
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I'm 95% certain that you're lying. Just because the GMs make the odd mistake doesn't make them incompetant. If they trace down a load of isk sellers and find that you've "ransomed" a dozen of them for stupidly large amounts of isk, it's obvious that you were buying isk and trying to cover it up with legitimate gameplay. Since details of GM actions are private, nobody else can verify if the people you ransomed were all isk-sellers. We have to take the GM's word on it and I'd believe the word of someone who could lose their job for making a mistake over yours any day.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:22:00 -
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there is one hole in your story , you claim to use the old lofty trick to scam&gank mission runners , you also claim you have done that to freighters, now i haven't checked your links to the kill board so i don't know how did it was played ,but i doubt it very much that any freighter pilot will join your gang to help you on a mission .
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Aesheera
Malum Crusis
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:23:00 -
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Let me get this straight (didt read the whole thread im afraid): You have KILLMAILS from the people you succesfully RANSOMED? Aside from this, I dont really think the majority of things told by the Op are that truthful... but thats just a feeling im getting.
But if you did indeed kill those you ransomed, you got what you should get right now.
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Blutreiter
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Blutreiter on 24/05/2008 13:32:40 Just one comment to this.
Remember the other people some weeks ago who whined because CCP removed their ISK "without reason"?
Be very very careful what you ask for... CCP has a history of removing the ISK from the correct people.
Edit: If you feel that you are really innocent, the playerbase aren't the ones who can help you, so take your stuff to the GMs, not the forums.
Nuff said.
Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sh*t up
Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
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Axel Yulaw
Yulaw Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle Ive been mission scamming with some friends for a while and this is what happen they negatived one my alts wallet was negative 300 then i asked them to do a further investigation of my wallet and then i come back like day later I was minus 1,7 bill on trainingbras and 1.9 on lynisle they took the isk i received from people that i killed while mission scamming and they said Further investigation of all your accounts revealed that you had in fact bought substantially more ISK. This player sat docked for his entire EVE carrier, receiving large amounts of cash from macro ratters, miners, account hacker...etc and its kinda bs hard earned isk :) shouldent i get my isk back that i ransomed from the people in ships then they blew up :) so yeh tell me what you all think.
Maybe CCP didn't want to read all of the email in one "breathe"? -- Punctuation is your friend!
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Van Steiza
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:08:00 -
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Some of you are really a bunch of ***s you know that.
I know lyn personaly and I know he does mission scamming and sometimes noob corp chars DO ACCEPT gang invites EVEN people in freighters SOME PEOPLE are Just THAT STUPID.
I KNOW he doenst buy isk.
AND I find it ridiculous that it was tainted on his account from ransoming in mission scams. Its not his fault that****got in the caldari navy raven had bought all his money with RMT.
You cant always be sure the people ur ransoming are not RMT's
Hey Bra Im just here to show some support bro.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Van Steiza I KNOW he doenst buy isk.
And you know this how?
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Van Steiza I KNOW he doenst buy isk.
And you know this how?
Well Duhhh, thats lyn's alt.
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Blydchyld
Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:52:00 -
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Who cares, you got scammed.
You failed at intermawebbie spaceship lies.
Tried wow?
I LIKE ARK!
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Amaron Ghant
Pierre Vorvuden Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:53:00 -
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Got as far as "kill mails from those we ransomed" and lost all interest. |
Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lynisle ...
Your dumb, I never admitted anything and you can't read... I posted what they said in the petition reply.
and when you ransom Freighters it's not hard to get 4bill
If you go ask "Selene D'Celeste" in game she will tell you herself that we ransomed her in Motsu(Caldari Space).
Her killmail is here
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Out-Rage&id=3223726&page=6&filter=kills#mail
We have other freighter kills on our Battleclinic boards as well if you would like to check them.
You will find those here Out-Rage Killboards
I read just fine, and will happily match my English language skills against yours any day of the week.
I highlighted your admission in bold. It is there for the world to read. At no point do you say that is what the GM claimed - you say "This player... " which in English means you are talking about yourself. A Freudian slip perhaps?
Do keep on posting though - I am amused by the way your story keeps changing.
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Feilamya on 24/05/2008 16:04:29 If this whole story is true, then it shows one things:
CCP are able to able to identify ISK farmers as such, or at least they think they are, and they claim that certain characters are farmers and others are not.
So how come these KNOWN farmers are not simply getting banned? It's because
CCP tolerate these farmers in the game, until some poor sob somehow manages to get ISK from them (whether this happens by buying it for real money or by valid game mechanics, doesn't seem to matter much to CCP ... or does it?)
Furthermore, we have no evidence that actual ISK buyers are being punished by CCP. We only hear about it if someone thinks he was punished unrightfully.
Are CCP tolerating AND protecting ISK sellers with their policy?
Discuss.
Furthermore, we see lots of these threads all the time, and contradicting opinions by players about what CCP's policy actually is. If you did ransom an ISK farmer, and you can prove it to CCP, will they take the ISK from you or not? Who knows for sure? Threads like these keep coming, and they spread fear, uncertainty and doubt among players. But what are CCP doing about it? Are misinformation, FUD, rumors and ignorance in the community part of CCP's information policy?
Also, whatever CCP's policy actually is, I have a clear opinion about what it should be, and I am sure I'm not alone:
If I obtain ISK from anyone in the game through ANY valid game mechanics, it is NOT my business to figure out whether he is a farmer or not. If any ISK from farmers makes it into the economic circle of EVE, then CCP has failed, and there is no way to repair the damage without causing more damage. Maybe, banning the known farmers would be a start to really do something about the problem?
Yes, I have read the dev blog about RMT. About 90% of it was basically advertising for the GTC program (something I have chosen to ignore and tolerate - I don't buy or sell ISK legally or illegally, and I don't care if others do it and how they do it, and if someone starts a GTC discussion because I mentioned them, send your flames to him, not me). The only useful information in this dev blog was: "RMT is bad - unless you do it with GTCs, m'kay?"
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:03:00 -
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You deserved your ISK taken away because you probably did buy it.
Even if you didn't purchase your ISK--I don't really care.
Attempting to read your post wracked my brain. That kind of writing alone is enough to warrant your wallet being dumped out.
P.S. I have burgled over 100 billion ISK, and I have no problems with a negative wallet.
Maybe you are doing it wrong.
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya If this whole story is true, then it shows one things:
CCP are able to able to identify ISK farmers as such, or at least they think they are, and they claim that certain characters are farmers and others are not.
So how come these KNOWN farmers are not simply getting banned? It's because
CCP tolerate these farmers in the game, until some poor sob somehow manages to get ISK from them (whether this happens by buying it for real money or by valid game mechanics, doesn't seem to matter much to CCP ... or does it?)
Furthermore, we have no evidence that actual ISK buyers are being punished by CCP. We only hear about it if someone thinks he was punished unrightfully.
Are CCP tolerating AND protecting ISK sellers with their policy?
Discuss.
Furthermore, we see lots of these threads all the time, and contradicting opinions by players about what CCP's policy actually is. If you did ransom an ISK farmer, and you can prove it to CCP, will they take the ISK from you or not? Who knows for sure? Threads like these keep coming, and they spread fear, uncertainty and doubt among players. But what are CCP doing about it? Are misinformation, FUD, rumors and ignorance in the community part of CCP's information policy?
Also, whatever CCP's policy actually is, I have a clear opinion about what it should be, and I am sure I'm not alone:
If I obtain ISK from anyone in the game through ANY valid game mechanics, it is NOT my business to figure out whether he is a farmer or not. If any ISK from farmers makes it into the economic circle of EVE, then CCP has failed, and there is no way to repair the damage without causing more damage. Maybe, banning the known farmers would be a start to really do something about the problem?
Yes, I have read the dev blog about RMT. About 90% of it was basically advertising for the GTC program (something I have chosen to ignore and tolerate - don't buy or sell ISK legally or illegally, and I don't care if others do it and how they do it, and if someone starts a GTC discussion because I mentioned them, send your flames to him, not me). The only useful information in this dev blog was: "RMT is bad - unless you do it with GTCs, m'kay?"
I applaud your tin foil hattery, but it's been done before.
3/10 on the troll scale.
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Lynisle
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:29:00 -
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lynisle 2142987 bHdm7LRdqnuaf55GgFJA2dPdAn4OlNU751rjekbcDfisbP0q1wTTIdvj8rU7RUwq api :)
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Taua Roqa
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:33:00 -
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beep beep smackalt detected vis api key :o
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Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:39:00 -
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I wouldnt be surprised if CCP allows isk sellers to continue, looking at ammount of macro haulers we see in some systems.
I would do the same in their position. If you know the isk seller, it is very easy to trace the isk and remove it from the buyers.
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Pak Seongsu
Out-Rage
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:58:00 -
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I find this vary sad considering Lynisle is my real life friend that I goto school with. He's only 17 and has no job and pays for his account WITH ISK by buying GTC's. Now that this is been done he will more then likely be forced to quit EVE. I think CCP made a big mistake because answer me this?
How can someone buy ISK... when you have no job = no income. He is under the age of 18 and cant have a credit card because he couldn't apply for one without having his parents sign for it. and if CCP was smart they would look at his logs and see that he has paid for his account with ISK since the day he started.
Honestly now... If my friend had money to buy ISK... why would he buy ISK? Why not just pay the $14.99 fee to play for the month or how ever long it is that he wants to play. It's pure logic and quite sad that CCP today is going down the drain.
I've been playing EVE for awhile now and have had multiple alts etc.. One of the things I've noticed in CCP is there GM's are pure CRAP and I mean this to. There are few select that actually help you and fix what ever issues you may have. The rest honestly don't care and also another thing thats making CCP go down is the whole change with 60 day time cards and getting rid of 30's 90's 50's and 100 days. I wouldn't doubt if EVE lasts hmm 2 maby 3 more years? 5 at lest most. If EVE lives on then awesome I love the game and I love the PVP and alot of other aspects but CCP really has to make some better changes.
Now some of you might ask, How do we really know he's 17. Well you might not know but CCP does as when you register your account you have to have a valid b-day and other information that is registered with your account. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "In order to understand something, one must study all its aspects" |
SCSPOOK
16th Interspacial Dynasty The 11th Hour
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:15:00 -
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<<<----- Reaches for the tissue box
Originally by: Pak Seongsu I find this vary sad considering Lynisle is my real life friend that I goto school with. He's only 17 and has no job and pays for his account WITH ISK by buying GTC's. Now that this is been done he will more then likely be forced to quit EVE. I think CCP made a big mistake because answer me this?
How can someone buy ISK... when you have no job = no income. He is under the age of 18 and cant have a credit card because he couldn't apply for one without having his parents sign for it. and if CCP was smart they would look at his logs and see that he has paid for his account with ISK since the day he started.
Honestly now... If my friend had money to buy ISK... why would he buy ISK? Why not just pay the $14.99 fee to play for the month or how ever long it is that he wants to play. It's pure logic and quite sad that CCP today is going down the drain.
I've been playing EVE for awhile now and have had multiple alts etc.. One of the things I've noticed in CCP is there GM's are pure CRAP and I mean this to. There are few select that actually help you and fix what ever issues you may have. The rest honestly don't care and also another thing thats making CCP go down is the whole change with 60 day time cards and getting rid of 30's 90's 50's and 100 days. I wouldn't doubt if EVE lasts hmm 2 maby 3 more years? 5 at lest most. If EVE lives on then awesome I love the game and I love the PVP and alot of other aspects but CCP really has to make some better changes.
Now some of you might ask, How do we really know he's 17. Well you might not know but CCP does as when you register your account you have to have a valid b-day and other information that is registered with your account.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pak Seongsu He's only 17 and has no job and pays for his account WITH ISK by buying GTC's.
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Why should we feel sorry for him because he is 17?
CCP are more than capable of looking into the situation. I doubt for a second that he has told you the complete truth. His story changes with each post.
The bit about a freighter loaded with modules ganging up to help a mission runner is priceless lol.
Don't do business with isk sellers, no matter how much they try to convince you that it is untraceable
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Pak Seongsu
Out-Rage
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Pak Seongsu He's only 17 and has no job and pays for his account WITH ISK by buying GTC's.
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Why should we feel sorry for him because he is 17?
CCP are more than capable of looking into the situation. I doubt for a second that he has told you the complete truth. His story changes with each post.
The bit about a freighter loaded with modules ganging up to help a mission runner is priceless lol.
Don't do business with isk sellers, no matter how much they try to convince you that it is untraceable
Quote: The bit about a freighter loaded with modules ganging up to help a mission runner is priceless lol.
If you look at the kill mail I was involved on it as I helped ransom the freighter and with those its a bit different.
When we scammed freighters we said we had a POS and that we needed help moving some stuff. We invite them to gang and give them the password to our POS and boom instead of warping to a POS they warp to a SS in space where we gank them.
also if you read Lyn's post it says You can convo the freighter pilot and ask her yourself and she will tell you yes we ransomed her then killed her. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "In order to understand something, one must study all its aspects" |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Karma on 24/05/2008 23:35:45 Have you ever heard the phrase
"methinks the lady does protest to much"
If you have a valid case, CCP will address it, but in the mean time, you just sound like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and is blaming his sister.
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Princess Morenta
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pak Seongsu
Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 24/05/2008 23:35:45 Have you ever heard the phrase
"methinks the lady does protest to much"
If you have a valid case, CCP will address it, but in the mean time, you just sound like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and is blaming his sister.
This quote screams of Epic I cant believe the lengths that some will goto... CCP dont often get it wrong ;)
I never said you had to feel sorry for it either... I am trying to say that, its kinda hard that a 17 year old kid can buy isk with no job or anything... I mean whats he do pull the cash out his a$$?
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