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Riethe Invictus Sovereignty	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Stop being an ass. Seriously? You're really this uptight? I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it. Have women troubles?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:50:00 - [92] Hrm...much of anything I could say has already been said by Akita T and others, to be honest. I'll chime in anyway: Women aren't impossible to understand, but they think in ways that most men are thoroughly confused by. Though, like men, they go from point A to point B, they may reach that conclusion by way of points X, G, and I. This means that occasionally we men get incredibly confused trying to follow their train of thought. This is made worse by the fact that women are much, much better at using subtle visual queues/wording/expressions to express their ideas and men miss out on much of this, so a lot can get lost in translation. Since women do this translating automatically, it tends to annoy the hell out of them until they get to know the other person enough to understand what they do and don't get. This miscommunication is responsible for - in my opinion - between 50-75% of the time. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:03:00 - [93] Originally by: Havok Dryke Methinks you're violating rule #1 of relationships. Don't try to understand your woman. You'll fail. Always. Don't eve need top read the rest of the posts because this is about it in a nut shell. That being said I will read the rst because I am sure there are some other gut busters withint. My Opinion is that if you are thrown off your line of thought/argument or whatever then she wins since you have lost your point.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:04:00 - [94] Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:11:30 Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?), i'll fight anyone who starts on me first, and i won't be giving up in a hurry as there is usually no set tactic in winning in a schoolyard fight, you need to adapt fast and not lose control over your body, yeah i know how people can lose track of what the topic is about and start having a go at one another because they can't believe they could be wrong.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:08:00 - [95] Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:17:20 Throwing a man off what he was thinking proves that the man can't keep up with the conversation. I think what Tarminic is saying is partly right, woman often use analegies and body language, it's not their fault if men don't understand them at the time. Cipher7- it's already been said that yes some woman are liars and manipulators, so are some men also.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:18:00 - [96] Quote: I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it. I enjoy this thread, it's a great parody of misogyny __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:21:00 - [97] Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?) Like them as you may, acting like that you'll never understand them Though, it's my solemn opinion that you're no more than an internet tough guy. 族---族 Latest Video : Relentless
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:30:00 - [98] I see what you are all doing, i see strait through this, Stop shifting the subject, this thread is about talking about woman, not having a go at each other for trying, goto the complaining room if you want to complain about something, you cannot monopolize the conversation and you can't make me lose focus, i see you as someone asking for help, like anyone else who has a go at me.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:30:00 - [99] Goto the "give up" room<.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:38:00 - [100] Oh yeah, an internet tough guy would say "owned" alot.

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:40:00 - [101] Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough Oh yeah, an internet tough guy would say "owned" alot. Its called the edit button, use it please.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:42:00 - [102] I try but i thought those 2 posts should be seperate.
nahtoh Bull Industries	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:11:00 - [103] Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 22:17:20 Throwing a man off what he was thinking proves that the man can't keep up with the conversation. I think what Tarminic is saying is partly right, woman often use analegies and body language, it's not their fault if men don't understand them at the time. Cipher7- it's already been said that yes some woman are liars and manipulators, so are some men also. Hmm so your saying that teh communicator is never at fault when they are unable to phrase their communications in a way that the target of the aforementioned communication can understand? I just trying to figure out if its been one to many hits on the bong or one to many blows to the head that you suffer from... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:19:00 - [104] Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 27/05/2008 23:20:45 nah, sometimes the woman may lose her train of thought also but she is trying to maintain focus, some woman are just liars and manipulators also, it's being able to tell when she is manipulating that can help you out, sometimes they get mad at other things and the best thing you can do is be calm and patient and not abandon them. I don't smoke anything.
Mavrix Able M0NEY SH0T	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:34:00 - [105] Riethe it might be your topic but you still do sound kinda like an ass. Anyways. I heard on the news and subsequently read in the papers about a female writer, who, as an experiment disguised herself as a man 24/7 for a year I think it was. She applied for a job as a man, got collegues as a man, went drinking and bowling, the full monty. I believe she lasted 8 months before she had to quit and start seeing a shrink, she wound up almost loosing her mind. The book which was a prodcut of the experiment has been released as far as I know but I haven't read it, although I'd like to. Although being undercover itself is a stressful thing, I still think this goes to show just how different men an women are. -NWS/Mav
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.27 23:41:00 - [106] that tells me what i already think, woman seem to use their heart more, men seem to use their head more. but would there be as many wars and muggings if men used their heart more?
nahtoh Bull Industries	Posted - 2008.05.28 00:13:00 - [107] Originally by: Mavrix Able Edited by: Mavrix Able on 27/05/2008 23:41:24 Riethe it might be your topic but you still do sound kinda like an ass. Anyways. I heard on the news and subsequently read in the papers about a female writer, who, as an experiment disguised herself as a man 24/7 for a year I think it was. She applied for a job as a man, got collegues as a man, went drinking and bowling, the full monty. I believe she lasted 8 months before she had to quit and start seeing a shrink, she wound up almost loosing her mind. The book which was a prodcut of the experiment has been released as far as I know but I haven't read it, although I'd like to. Although being undercover itself is a stressful thing, I still think this goes to show just how different men an women are. Found the book: Self Made Man -NWS/Mav So someone spent a year basicly living a lie and this is suprising that she screwed herself up? The only thing it suggests to me is be true to yourself or you just mess stuff up... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Monkey Saturday SAS Elite Ops Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.05.28 01:21:00 - [108] I've never won a fight with my wife. Why? Because if she can't win the fight with logic she wins it by crying which makes me feel like an ass for arguing whatever stupid point I had. The make-up sex is nice tho.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.28 02:54:00 - [109] Bit harsh but well said nahtoh.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:05:00 - [110] Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough but would there be as many wars and muggings if men used their heart more? Ive heard this statement used far too many times. The answer is kindof, wars would be fought differently(to what end im not sure)but a war is a war. Lets make this hypothetical, a mans war vs a womans war(ie arguement turned to action). A man's war would consist of ALOT of straightforward fighting, rifles grenades and bombs...Anything that gets the job done asap. A woman's war would be fought with money, deceit, and soft war(ie infiltrate the enemy government and change their system). Ofcourse with both genders you have exceptions but thats the just of it.... Now which war do you think is more affective?

rotweiler Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:52:00 - [111] Originally by: Riethe When you guys are arguing with your girlfriends/wives, do you ever feel like you just made the most badass point ever, and then she just says something completely stupid ******** ridiculous and your point is wasted? And you're just like, "HUH WHAT?" I've been with my current for awhile, and blocked out a lot of my past relationships so I don't really have a base of reference anymore. Is it just me, or are women really just quite bad at arguing? I feel like I'll be talking about something, or say something pretty good to back myself up, and then her response won't even be relevant. The thing is I can argue with a male friend and we can bullshot back and forth and no problem, it all makes sense, points are considered... it doesn't feel like bizzaro world. Seriously. Come on. Anyone else? Generalising from a set of personal (see: limited) experience, generally leads to stereotypes that heuristically steer your behaviour and thinking even further away from the need to understand and communicate with the other half. try to avoid it and instead try to see the MESSAGE she tries to get across. Dont just stop on the actual words, see whats going on in the actual communication there.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.28 07:08:00 - [112] Edited by: AdamDavidWoolnough on 28/05/2008 07:10:10 Good one rotweiler. I'm leaving this topic alone now as too many people are getting silly, good luck with the woman guys. should make a few of you happy for some unknown reason.
Larice Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:29:00 - [113] Originally by: AdamDavidWoolnough Hi again, you think i don't like girls or something? lol, i asked 3 girls out the other week (how many did you ask?), i'll fight anyone who starts on me first, and i won't be giving up in a hurry as there is usually no set tactic in winning in a schoolyard fight, you need to adapt fast and not lose control over your body, yeah i know how people can lose track of what the topic is about and start having a go at one another because they can't believe they could be wrong. I got asked out by three different girls the other week. And I don't need to ask out three girls to increase my chances, one will do. There are plenty of people on the forums and in this thread that have years of experience with women and are even married. You are not the judge of this thread and no matter what you will say, that is what you are trying to be. Men have a straightforward and logical way of communicating and arguing, which is clearly superior in any situation that is worth arguing about. Any argument that doesn't need a functional approach is not worth arguing about.
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Larice Men have a straightforward and logical way of communicating and arguing, which is clearly superior in any situation that is worth arguing about. Any argument that doesn't need a functional approach is not worth arguing about. The Truth! I'm putting that on a t-shirt. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:50:00 - [115] Bah. I don't argue. I simply work from a defensible space and expect the same from my partner. If she's wrong, I expect her to admit it. If I'm wrong, I admit it. Otherwise we agree to disagree. We're compatible for most things, so we can do so without trying to kill each other. We often shelve our disagreements because we don't approach issues from different viewpoints. Also, neither of us get too attached to our perspectives. Admittedly, I did have to make her realize she would be sleeping on the sofa if she couldn't act like an adult; that was a bit of a shock to her. After she started to be mature, that point marked a turning point in our relationship. Likely, the problem with many relationships is men tolerate women acting like royalty instead of people. Mutual respect is much more important than "communication"... you can live together well AND disagree as long as you view the other individual as a person.
AdamDavidWoolnough	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:58:00 - [116] I'm not commenting in this thread anymore but you should take a look at my thread sometime. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=777560
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:25:00 - [117] <]=================<<<< Hey! Look at that! I'm not an exclamation point any more! Yay Me! Uh, oh yeah, the reason I wrote this post ... A few things. 1) Women use subtle communications so that they can deny it all later. "No. I never said that!" That way they can change their minds as often as they like. If they just came flat out and said what they thought they couldn't go back on it. It isn't a superior form of communication it's a cover my ass form of communication. 2) A war run by women would be fought by men. That's how women have always fought their wars. The get some man (men) to go do the killing for them. 3) ADW - Dude, if you really are one, you argue like a woman. Sorry but you do. Oh and my last little bit of advice on dealing with women. Never treat a woman as an equal. Women have such an ingrained sense of inferiority (cause they're weak, inconsistent, liars) that if you treat a woman as an equal - she is NOT going to think "Hey, what a great guy. He treats me like I'm as good as he is." No. That is NOT what she is going to think. If you treat a woman as an equal she'd going to think "He treats me as an equal. He must be as screwed up as I am." And! Oh yeah: Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Quote: I made this thread for enjoyment. Everyone but you seem to be enjoying it. I enjoy this thread, it's a great parody of misogyny No. This isn't a parady of misogyny. This IS misogyny. Once upon a time, like a really long time ago, I was really big on womens liberation. I was always attracted to strong, intelligent, capable women and I figured that aside from the obvious brute strength advantage we men had a woman's brain was just as good as a mans. Then I learned. After a while I realized ... I didn't know any liberated women. I knew some femi-**'s but I'd hardly consider them "liberated" they were mostly just ugly chicks who hated men because they couldn't get one. I watched the strong, intelligent, capable women I knew and for about half of them, the stronger, more capable and more intelligent they were - the bigger the *** they ended up sleeping with. Thus my Bigger ***** Theory. They didn't just want to be dominated - they NEEDED to be dominated. They wanted some guy who'd step up and take all the responsibility even if they were strong enough, smart enough and capable enough to have done it themselves. They didn't want to be oppressed (although oppression is frequently what they got) but they did want to be responsibility free. You see if you try and do something, you can screw up. So, better to get the man to try and do it, that way you (as the woman) don't ever appear to have been the one to make a mistake. Thus all the hinting and such, trying to get the man to make the decision they want him to make. If things go badly - "Hey!" she says, "I never told you to do that!" Oh yeah. The other half of those strong, capable women ... they eneded up with nice guys who were dumber than they were so they could manipulate them at will.
Riethe Invictus Sovereignty	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:42:00 - [118] Most of the rash generalizations of both genders posted here are completely ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the women here trying to defend their entire gender. If you people honestly believe it is so black and white you are poorly mistaken. Miscommunication may be common--but categorizing traits like you all have is unrealistic. There are far too many contributing factors to just say "all women are X," "all men do Y"
Kusha'an RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.05.28 12:25:00 - [119] In all my years of marriage, I've learned one thing about how women communicate: They project their true feelings into manipulative questions. These are real life examples: "Are you hungry?" Translation: I'm hungry. "What are you hungry for?" Translation: You need to make up to twenty guesses to find out what I'm hungry for. "Are you ready to go?" Translation: I'll be ready in 10 minutes. "What are you doing?" Translation: I want you to do something else. (This sometimes can be accomplished with a simple dirty look peeking into the room as you're playing Eve.) "What are you doing tonight?" Translation: I want you to do something for/with me. "I'm going to my mother's this weekend. Would you like to go?" Translation: You'd better go with me. I've learned to respond to these questions with a simple response: "Rather than getting into all that, why don't you just tell me what you want and we'll go from there." ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.05.28 12:35:00 - [120] Yeah most of this stuff is generalization made on a posting board not an academic thesis being approved by a scholastic committee. But, that doesn't mean that women don't have a tendency to do these things. Sure, some women are different than others, just as some men are different than others but it's mostly a question of degree. Men and Women do have certain tendencies and it is accurate to discuss them in general ways. What is inaccurate is to specify from the general or generalize from the specific. Thus saying "Women tend to be more manipulative than men," is an accurate statement. Saying "Women are more manipulative than men, therefore YOU Sally Ann are a manipulator," is jumping to a conclusion. Sally Ann may well be a manipulator but there isn't a certainty of that just because she's a woman only a probability. Saying "Sally Ann is a known manipulator, there for all women are manipulators" is also inaccurate. Just because Sally Ann is anything doesn't mean that ALL women are like Sally Ann. Also saying: All women are more manipulative than all men. or All men are straightforward and honest. Are absolute statements, which tend to be inaccurate. However, for the purposes of a posting board where most of the people with brains understand the general nature of the discussion, some relatively sloppy, unqualified statements are fine. Most of the men posting here don't actually hate women, they just find them to be a giant pain in the ass (for the most part). <<====<<<< See the qualifying statement there at the end?

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