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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5318
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:42:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I specifically stated that scamming to get elected to an OUT OF GAME NON-SANDBOX entity should get you banned, and yet you try to pin on me that I am against scamming in general? Try reading. I hear it helps.
Yes, you stated that, and I said that vote buying and selling is allowed and scamming is allowed, so there is zero grounds for any bans, and that people who engage in any of this represent the player base so excluding them from the CSM (much less banning them) because they don't doesn't make any sense.
Why should they be banned when they're doing nothing wrong? Why should there be no seats for them when they're doing exactly what is asked of a CSM candidate? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:48:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:They are a real life entity that is supposed to represent the community in a game. The game is full of anti-social sociopaths. Darius has made himself out to be the perfect representative for them, in the game, the game that we play, for fun.
And your argument is?
Valentyn3 wrote:You know, when it comes to a point where you can no longer differentiate between a game for fun and serious business, there are perhaps time to scale back and seek some professional help.
Oh but I can. You see, when i start the EVE client, I know I have logged into a video game called EVE Online. A game I play for fun. In which I do stuff i would never do IRL.
And when I log off the client, I am no longer playing the video game called EVE Online for fun, but may instead devote my time to other activities, like engaging in duscussion about how the developer can make the game better and more fun. And yes, that very activity is indeed seriouss business.
You see? In-game - out of game. Its not hard. You should try it. |
Cipher Jones
342
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:49:00 -
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Iceland is for the lose, CSM is for the lose, and getting emails from you fucks every year is the real lose.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
197
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Why should they be banned when they're doing nothing wrong? Why should there be no seats for them when they're doing exactly what is asked of a CSM candidate?
Agreed.
I mean, I dislike what he is doing, but I don't think its against the rules and regulations set forth by CCP for CSM candidates. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I specifically stated that scamming to get elected to an OUT OF GAME NON-SANDBOX entity should get you banned, and yet you try to pin on me that I am against scamming in general? Try reading. I hear it helps. Yes, you stated that, and I said that vote buying and selling is allowed and scamming is allowed, so there is zero grounds for any bans, and that people who engage in any of this represent the player base so excluding them from the CSM (much less banning them) because they don't doesn't make any sense. Why should they be banned when they're doing nothing wrong? Why should there be no seats for them when they're doing exactly what is asked of a CSM candidate?
Try reading, I hear it helps.
I will repeat myself for your benefit, my dimwitted friend:
I. Dont. Care. What. The. Current. Rules. State.
I am talking about how it SHOULD be. Cant you get ythat into your bonehead now? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5318
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:54:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I. Dont. Care. What. The. Current. Rules. State. For someone who doesn't care, you sure kick up quite a fuss about itGǪ
Quote:I am talking about how it SHOULD be. GǪand the question you keep missing is: why should it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:55:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote: Oh but I can. You see, when i start the EVE client, I know I have logged into a video game called EVE Online. A game I play for fun. In which I do stuff i would never do IRL.
And when I log off the client, I am no longer playing the video game called EVE Online for fun, but may instead devote my time to other activities, like engaging in duscussion about how the developer can make the game better and more fun. And yes, that very activity is indeed seriouss business.
You see? In-game - out of game. Its not hard. You should try it.
As I recall, the discussion went like this: According to you, CSM representatives from the CFC were advocating a tech moon nerf because even though it would negatively impact them, it would impact rival alliances even more. However, CSM representatives from those same rival alliances who advocated the same tech moon nerf were doing so out of a selfless desire to improve the game.
In other words, you're a loon, and no one should listen to you. But I know that won't stop you from posting. In fact, I'm counting on it. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
198
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:06:00 -
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Why anybody would put their beer in a soda stream is beyond me. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I. Dont. Care. What. The. Current. Rules. State. For someone who doesn't care, you sure kick up quite a fuss about itGǪ You seem to confuse my not caring for the current CSM rules, with me not caring for the issue about eligibility. How is that even possible? I am amazed tbh. Quote:I am talking about how it SHOULD be. GǪand the question you keep missing is: why should it?
I have told you why it should. the CSM is a real life body - originating from - but NOT part of the videogame called EVE Online. Its job is to represent the best interest of the playerbase in helping the games deveoper develop the games different playstyles (yes include scams, suicide ganks, piracy etc) to the best of their ability - so that the game is enjoyable for the playerbase for yeras to come.
in this picture, the is NO PLACE for real life trolls like Joseph W Morris, who only want to get free trips to Iceland, get girls, cheap drinks and general troll the f*ck out of the developer on THEIR EXPENSE. And besides that dont give a f''ck about the games development, CCP or CSM.
Now tell me why we as a playerbase should be happy to see our subscription money fund that kind of behavoiur. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
198
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:08:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Stuff.
Vote for somebody else then? |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:08:00 -
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If only there were a mechanism you could use to express your displeasure with Joseph W. Morris in a way that would decrease his chances of being on the next CSM and put a person more to your liking in his place.
Edit: I feel like the answer to this dilemma is floating right above my head. Well, above and to my left a little bit. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
838
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:13:00 -
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I just heard saying that if you set mail fees to 1M scamers and bots leave you alone |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5320
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:20:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I have told you why it should. the CSM is a real life body - originating from - but NOT part of the videogame called EVE Online. Its job is to represent the best interest of the playerbase in helping the games deveoper develop the games different playstyles (yes include scams, suicide ganks, piracy etc) to the best of their ability - so that the game is enjoyable for the playerbase for years to come. GǪand what about what's presented here disqualifies anyone from being such a representative?
Quote:And besides that dont give a f''ck about the games development, CCP or CSM, and who doesnt contribute i any shape or form to what the CSM is supposed to do. GǪand you base this assessment on, what, exactly?
Quote:You seem to confuse my not caring for the current CSM rules, with me not caring for the issue about eligibility Since the rules are what determine the eligibility, not caring about one but not the other is rather paradoxical. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
BrutalButFair
Fleet of the Damned Ace of Spades.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:28:00 -
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Who is Darius and why should i care? |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
92
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:30:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:They are a real life entity that is supposed to represent the community in a game. The game is full of anti-social sociopaths. Darius has made himself out to be the perfect representative for them, in the game, the game that we play, for fun.
And your argument is? Valentyn3 wrote:You know, when it comes to a point where you can no longer differentiate between a game for fun and serious business, there are perhaps time to scale back and seek some professional help. Oh but I can. You see, when i start the EVE client, I know I have logged into a video game called EVE Online. A game I play for fun. In which I do stuff i would never do IRL. And when I log off the client, I am no longer playing the video game called EVE Online for fun, but may instead devote my time to other activities, like engaging in duscussion about how the developer can make the game better and more fun. And yes, that very activity is indeed seriouss business. You see? In-game - out of game. Its not hard. You should try it. And yet you still act as though the CSM is some entity separate from the game.
*Spoiler* It isn't.
Oh and by all means continue to use ad hominems in your arguments. It makes it so much easier to point out that you have nothing to stand on. I mean, Tippia pretty much just invalidated your whole argument and you are still going strong. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
397
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:34:00 -
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1) Corruption = Valid gameplay
2) my vote is for sale.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I have told you why it should. the CSM is a real life body - originating from - but NOT part of the videogame called EVE Online. Its job is to represent the best interest of the playerbase in helping the games deveoper develop the games different playstyles (yes include scams, suicide ganks, piracy etc) to the best of their ability - so that the game is enjoyable for the playerbase for years to come. GǪand what about what's presented here disqualifies anyone from being such a representative? Quote:And besides that dont give a f''ck about the games development, CCP or CSM, and who doesnt contribute i any shape or form to what the CSM is supposed to do. GǪand you base this assessment on, what, exactly?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70407&find=unread
Tippia wrote:Since the rules are what determine the eligibility, not caring about one but not the other is rather paradoxical.
You seem to be confused about the meaning of the word paradox too. Seeing an issue as important while at the same time view the current rules governing the handling of that issue sub-optimal is not a paradox.
And you avoid answering my question: Why should we as a playerbase should be happy to see our subscription money fund that kind of behavoiur displayed in the link above? |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:54:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote: And yet you still act as though the CSM is some entity separate from the game.
*Spoiler* It isn't.
Oh and by all means continue to use ad hominems in your arguments. It makes it so much easier to point out that you have nothing to stand on. I mean, Tippia pretty much just invalidated your whole argument and you are still going strong.
Spoiler: it is. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
92
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:01:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Valentyn3 wrote: And yet you still act as though the CSM is some entity separate from the game.
*Spoiler* It isn't.
Oh and by all means continue to use ad hominems in your arguments. It makes it so much easier to point out that you have nothing to stand on. I mean, Tippia pretty much just invalidated your whole argument and you are still going strong.
Spoiler: it is.
Guess that's why they post the character name and the avatar picture in the voting menu along with all that alliance gobledy **** that should have no bearing on an out of game team right?. I figure they would just stick to the real name and use a real picture since it's so antithetical to the game and such legitimate business. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
198
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:04:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:
Guess that's why they post the character name and the avatar picture in the voting menu along with all that alliance gobledy **** that should have no bearing on an out of game team right?. I figure they would just stick to the real name and use a real picture since it's so antithetical to the game and such legitimate business.
Well when they post the election results after the vote is tallied, they do in fact list the individuals real name as well as their country of origin.
But regardless, that still doesn't support the OP's point. |
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
92
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:06:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:
Guess that's why they post the character name and the avatar picture in the voting menu along with all that alliance gobledy **** that should have no bearing on an out of game team right?. I figure they would just stick to the real name and use a real picture since it's so antithetical to the game and such legitimate business.
Well when they post the election results after the vote is tallied, they do in fact list the individuals real name as well as their country of origin. But regardless, that still doesn't support the OP's point.
All that information is available in the voting menu as well. It really shouldn't matter much but they provide it none the less. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:08:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:
Guess that's why they post the character name and the avatar picture in the voting menu along with all that alliance gobledy **** that should have no bearing on an out of game team right?. I figure they would just stick to the real name and use a real picture since it's so antithetical to the game and such legitimate business.
yes. CCP post character name and avatars and clearly expects the avatars to travel to iceland too. To bad the connection between new eden and earth was severed all those years ago. Oh well. |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
70
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:11:00 -
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The more you talk about how bad a man Darius is, the more I like him. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
432
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:12:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:The more you talk about how bad a man Darius is, the more I like him.
Then by all means, vote him in. After all, thats what you really want. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5326
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:14:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70407&find=unread So nothing of what's presented disqualifies him. Also, the question remains: how does he not represent the player base?
Quote:You seem to be confused about the meaning of the word paradox too. Seeing an issue as important while at the same time view the current rules governing the handling of that issue sub-optimal is not a paradox. But that's not what you said, is it? You said you didn't care about the rules. At the same time, you say you care about eligibility GÇö i.e. what the rules regulate. This is indeed a paradox since caring about one inherently means you care about the other.
Quote:Why should we as a playerbase be happy to see our subscription money fund this kind of behavoiur? Because it's what the playerbase wants (should he get elected). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
92
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:15:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:
Guess that's why they post the character name and the avatar picture in the voting menu along with all that alliance gobledy **** that should have no bearing on an out of game team right?. I figure they would just stick to the real name and use a real picture since it's so antithetical to the game and such legitimate business.
yes. CCP post character name and avatars and clearly expects the avatars to travel to iceland too. To bad the connection between new eden and earth was severed all those years ago. Oh well.
Woaw now, I was under the impression that you held the belief that Eve and real life were very much not the same thing. Which is it? I will not stand for flip foppery. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
433
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So nothing of what's presented disqualifies him. Also, the question remains: how does he not represent the player base?
If thats how you feel,fine. We disagree. And i'm pretty sure most players dont like to see their subscription money thrown out of the window funding free trips to iceland for non-working real life trolls like this d**ebag. Including the rest of CSM 6.
After all, you are not who I appeal to. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5327
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:32:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:And i'm pretty sure most players dont like to see their subscription money thrown out of the window funding free trips to iceland for non-working real life trolls like this d**ebag. Well, good. Then there's no problem, now is there? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
92
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:And i'm pretty sure most players dont like to see their subscription money thrown out of the window funding free trips to iceland for non-working real life trolls like this d**ebag. Well, good. Then there's no problem, now is there?
You'd think so, wouldn't you? EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:35:00 -
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I voted for the only female candidate. Eve and the CSM needs moar females. |
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