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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.20 03:38:00 -
[451]
Originally by: SK Rooster
Originally by: Yorda
The Naglfar:
In order to compete, the Naglfar needs to spend four of it's low slots on damage modules leaving it with a 5 slot shield tank. Unfortunatly it cannot target to sniping range without a sensor booster, so it is left with a 4 slot shield tank. This leaves it with the weakest tank and lowest effective hp of the four dreads. On top of this, it needs two co-processors to fit everything.
this is YOUR opinion, just because minmatar doesnt fit into your cookie cutter setup, doesnt mean it is useless. if you dont like the ship, train for another race that is more your style. this is not necessarily a matter of what race is 'better' but obviously more one of different from your playstyle.
that being said yes the naglfar sucks. how about get creative and put a triple trimark with 1x damage mod, and 1x captial armor rep. then you can put all the fukken sensor boosters you want. you are going to get outdamaged with 4x damage mods any way, so stop trying.
Amazingly enough I was taking the best possible fit for the naglfar in comparison with the others. Yes, you can armor tank it and you don't need fitting mods but then you get literally half the damage of every other dread while having a weaker tank that's more cap stable. I know the appeal of doing the damage of a blaster mega while tanking as much as a chimera might appeal to you, but for 1.6 billion isk I'd rather actually get something out of my dread.
---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.20 04:19:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Maraleith Guys
As I have posted before.
Please. Just stop whining.
Please. Just stop reading.
The only way we, as a player base, can display that we do care about this issue and consider it to be of high priority is to state such.
If you don't agree - fine. Telling us that you agree, but we need to shut up because nothing has been done yet, is idiotic. Feel free to avoid this thread if you think it is such a waste of time
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Wu Jiaqiu
Tian-di Regime
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Posted - 2009.02.20 04:39:00 -
[453]
Can't argue against that.
Supported.
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jimmybeech
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Posted - 2009.02.20 12:09:00 -
[454]
minmatar caps need lovin. Nag's slot layout and split weapons config needs looking at. Surely a dread should be totally focused tool of destruction, Jack of all trades master of none just doesn't cut next to a Rev or a moros.
signed/
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Ris Dnalor
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.02.21 06:45:00 -
[455]
o/
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pyklet uk1
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:01:00 -
[456]
Love the RUST,
Pls don't make me train shiney gold stuff's, they use kittens to polish them don't you know! ______________________________
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Vertical Axis
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Posted - 2009.02.21 21:29:00 -
[457]
Edited by: Vertical Axis on 21/02/2009 21:29:08 The fact that it's been 9 months with no response other than a completely generalized "we are looking at all capital ships" response ticks me off to an insane degree. It's horrible PR and it indicates a complete lack of caring.
Get off your a**es and do something, CCP.
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Zenethalos
Minmatar Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 08:05:00 -
[458]
Edited by: Zenethalos on 22/02/2009 08:06:45
Originally by: Vertical Axis Edited by: Vertical Axis on 21/02/2009 21:29:08 The fact that it's been 9 months with no response other than a completely generalized "we are looking at all capital ships" response ticks me off to an insane degree. It's horrible PR and it indicates a complete lack of caring.
Get off your a**es and do something, CCP.
^this I'm sure most of us have given up by now and started training for the Rev. With Dreads being such a prominent force on the for front of large scale 0.0 combat you think they would take a serious look at this issue. Maybe they are just waiting for every nag pilot to give up and cross train to another race like most of us seem to have.
Don't forget that going nuts with the nurf bat can be very tiring. I'm sure they are just relaxing off the taxing act of not doing any thing productive.
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:46:00 -
[459]
Perhaps most upsetting, a naglfar fix would be incredibly simple to implement. They can spare enough man-power to implement walking in stations, but can't have one guy go adjust the attributes of a ship???
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Yaay
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 03:48:00 -
[460]
Nag has the highest dps of all caps if set for gank. I think it's a good tradeoff for what the ship does. You don't want gank, train for another ship, it's the beauty of the game.
It's the Economy Stupid |
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 04:41:00 -
[461]
Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14 Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw. ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
Yaay
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:44:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Yorda Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14 Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw.
this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more. The phoenix is **** yet half of goons fly those right? PL at least got that one right when they banned them.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 08:29:00 -
[463]
Quote:
tl;dr Fix the naglfar and nidhoggur.
good enough. :) -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:09:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Yaay So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me
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Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:13:00 -
[465]
If we give up then nothing will happen. I for one will keep posting till they change the damn thing or delete the post. Then I will start another. I cant let getting ignored make me give up. Or at the very least grow some balls and say screw you guys its not changing.
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Yaay
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:51:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Shai 'Hulud
Originally by: Yaay So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me
Somewhere in the lostness, I pointed out the obsurdity of the whines. The ship does what it does, like it or hate it.
If it does get a boost, I think the only viable one is to tweak capital missle damage. Short of hitting a slow flying yet oddly stationary brick wall, capital missiles are fubar.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 02:41:00 -
[467]
Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 02:43:05
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Yorda Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14 Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw.
this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more. The phoenix is **** yet half of goons fly those right? PL at least got that one right when they banned them.
I'm amazed by how stupid you are every time you post, and I've seen you FC!
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Shai 'Hulud
Originally by: Yaay So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me
Somewhere in the lostness, I pointed out the obsurdity of the whines. The ship does what it does, like it or hate it.
If it does get a boost, I think the only viable one is to tweak capital missle damage. Short of hitting a slow flying yet oddly stationary brick wall, capital missiles are fubar.
Hmm, yes CCP please boost missile damage so the phoenix I'm training for is even stronger tia. ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:16:00 -
[468]
Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 07:23:56 If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:
1. You're a complete idiot 2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without clones both do more 3. You're a complete idiot 4. Get out of my thread. ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:43:00 -
[469]
Edited by: Dianeces on 24/02/2009 07:47:46
Originally by: Yorda Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 07:23:56 If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:
1. You're a complete idiot 2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without clones both do more 3. You're a complete idiot 4. Get out of my thread.
5. Your intel sucks. (PL hasn't banned Phoenixes.)
Edit: No wonder you guys are losing so bad right now.
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lahoj
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:20:00 -
[470]
yes
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Blih Nox
For Great Justice
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:25:00 -
[471]
signed
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w00tle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:59:00 -
[472]
Edited by: w00tle on 25/02/2009 14:03:22 hurry the hell up and do something about this
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Rek Esket
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:06:00 -
[473]
This
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Yaay
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.26 03:56:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 24/02/2009 07:47:46
Originally by: Yorda Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 07:23:56 If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:
1. You're a complete idiot 2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without clones both do more 3. You're a complete idiot 4. Get out of my thread.
5. Your intel sucks. (PL hasn't banned Phoenixes.)
Edit: No wonder you guys are losing so bad right now.
My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.
Yorda:
Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.
As for being an idiot, meh.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:21:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Yaay
My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.
Yorda:
Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.
As for being an idiot, meh.
I think you missed point 4. ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
Efrim Black
Gallente Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:32:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Yaay
My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.
Yorda:
Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.
As for being an idiot, meh.
I think you missed point 4.
Stop it Yorda, I don't want to like a Goon.
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Yaay
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.26 20:49:00 -
[477]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Yaay
My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.
Yorda:
Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.
As for being an idiot, meh.
I think you missed point 4.
I'd have to give your thoughts relevance to truly care about point 4, so meh.
It's the Economy Stupid |
Triest
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:11:00 -
[478]
I would say it's pretty clear at this stage that close range dreadnought fittings are inappropriate for use in any sort of situation where they might get hot-dropped, as evidenced by the multiple, highly one-sided capital ship engagements with sniping dreads. Which actually highlights another disadvantage of the Naglfar, in that there's no practical way to get adequate range with both weapon systems, so you're limited in a sniping fit to either guns OR missiles, and usually it ends up being the guns. The result is that (once again) the Nag ends up by far the lowest in terms of damage output, assuming the FC is able to get the Phoenixes to shoot targets appropriately.
If nothing else, the Naglfar at least needs a 3/3 turret/missile hardpoint allocation, even if the number of highs/mids/lows aren't altered. And it could definitely use more CPU.
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pred2
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Posted - 2009.02.28 00:08:00 -
[479]
signed
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.28 04:45:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: Yorda
I think you missed point 4.
Stop it Yorda, I don't want to like a Goon.
As many people will point out, I'm not a goon :)
As for sniping setups with the nag, it's not terribly hard to get it sniping with both weapons (missile rigs + 1 TE/tracking computer) but it suffers from the same problem as a regular nag in that it has the weakest tank by far and the least dps. The real problem is that sniping with cap torps means you have to shoot a different primary (in order to give your missiles time to hit the target, such as firing at the secondary / tertiary) while your guns should be on the primary. You can obviously just say **** it and fire your guns at the same target but with more than handful of nags this means you really need 3 different primaries.
Anyone with half a brain (sorry Yaay you don't count) can see that the nag is the worst dread by a large margin, combine this with the fact that minmatar bses are completely terrible in fleets and you really have no reason to train for minmatar caps (unless you're an awesome person who actually likes suicide triage repping poses and feel like wasting a bs V for it). All 3 other dreads are unique and have different reasons for people training for them, the nag does not. If you're in a nidhoggur pilot it's actually faster in training time to train for a revelation/moros and then you have amazing bses and t2 large guns for a decent race of battleships (not to mention a dread that's almost literally twice as good). I can not think of a SINGLE reason anyone would want to train for a naglfar. ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up |
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