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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:46:00 -
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/supported
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Kai Wooglin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:19:00 -
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Agree with a worthwhile Yorda post.
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:34:00 -
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/signed
Insane skill req's for crappy ships make me a sad panda. :(
EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
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Czanthria
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.05.30 03:58:00 -
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-- Knowledge is Power! |
mucklavee
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 23:50:00 -
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wtf!! only 24 supporters so far!! this proves everyone hates us minmatar we should just make a post to eradicate the minmatar race and see how many people support that
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.05.31 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: mucklavee wtf!! only 24 supporters so far!! this proves everyone hates us minmatar we should just make a post to eradicate the minmatar race and see how many people support that
actually, by the standards of this forum thats a lot. it seems theres like 50 people that come here total.
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maya ibuki2
54th Knights Templar THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.31 01:08:00 -
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the goons got it right, we need balancing, having a fail ship that needs twice the skillage is ok when your in frigates (breachers suck too much though) but for caps and supercaps? maya ibuki2-currently dmc pvper, proud member of the 54th knights templar and genral shooty type |
Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:32:00 -
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They might look at artillery again to. Its also the main reason this character stopped training matar after cruisers. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Buck Starchaser
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:08:00 -
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I agree, minmatar ships are terrific!
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:52:00 -
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-------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
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Owl Algernon
Starving Hearts of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.05.31 14:45:00 -
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Very much signed.
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Stefan F
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.31 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Stefan F on 31/05/2008 18:45:07 Bull****.
Minnie gets great small ships for pvp and sucky large ones Amarr gets sucky small ships for pvp and great large ones.
You should have trained amarr now go whine somewhere else please.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.31 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stefan F Edited by: Stefan F on 31/05/2008 18:45:07 Bull****.
Minnie gets great small ships for pvp and sucky large ones Amarr gets sucky small ships for pvp and great large ones.
You should have trained amarr now go whine somewhere else please.
Um... amarr interceptors are fine, the sac and zealot are awsome, the curse is okay, the interdictor is fine for bubbling, their battleships are awsome, and their commandships/battlecruisers are okay. I really dont see these "sucky small ships".
Everything above cruisers for minmatar arn't even worth training.
I'd love for some CSM support for minmatar capitals.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.31 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Stefan F Edited by: Stefan F on 31/05/2008 18:45:07 Bull****.
Minnie gets great small ships for pvp and sucky large ones Amarr gets sucky small ships for pvp and great large ones.
You should have trained amarr now go whine somewhere else please.
Um... amarr interceptors are fine, the sac and zealot are awsome, the curse is okay, the interdictor is fine for bubbling, their battleships are awsome, and their commandships/battlecruisers are okay. I really dont see these "sucky small ships".
Everything above cruisers for minmatar arn't even worth training.
I'd love for some CSM support for minmatar capitals.
So Amarrian HACs, BC's, CSes, BBs, and capitals are good, but nothing below that rates better than a "fine"(and one of those fines is for a dictor being able to bubble)? I think you just proved his point.
Also, I'm rather a fan of the Sleip and the Mael - I don't fly Minmatar, but they looks really sweet on EFT, and my Min-flying buddies agree. That said, the capitals are definitely crap. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Yorda on 31/05/2008 22:18:33
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
So Amarrian HACs, BC's, CSes, BBs, and capitals are good, but nothing below that rates better than a "fine"(and one of those fines is for a dictor being able to bubble)? I think you just proved his point.
Also, I'm rather a fan of the Sleip and the Mael - I don't fly Minmatar, but they looks really sweet on EFT, and my Min-flying buddies agree. That said, the capitals are definitely crap.
All AFs suck, destroyers for all races are terrible, t1 frigs are basically the same, the new omen is a decent t1 cruiser, the pilgrim is terrible but I wouldn't say amarr has it so much worse than minmatar that it deserves it's capitals to be vastly better than minmatar's.
The Sleip is one of those ships that you have to put a decent amount of money down on to make good, and is only really good in very small fights. The Mael is an okay PvE ship but I'd take a tempest over it in most PvP fights.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda All AFs suck, destroyers for all races are terrible, t1 frigs are basically the same, the new omen is a decent t1 cruiser, the pilgrim is terrible but I wouldn't say amarr has it so much worse than minmatar that it deserves it's capitals to be vastly better than minmatar's.
The Sleip is one of those ships that you have to put a decent amount of money down on to make good, and is only really good in very small fights. The Mael is an okay PvE ship but I'd take a tempest over it in most PvP fights.
I didn't say Amarr deserved to have pwnmobile capitals while Minmatar got crap. I agree, there's some rebalancing needed there - I did support this thread, after all. I'm just saying, from what I can tell, the Minmatar are very good at subcapital fighting.
As for the Sleip and Mael, yeah, they're not for all situations, though I think you're a bit quick to write off the Mael for PvP. But the raw numbers they put out are terrifying. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Fergus Malfy
Gemini Sun Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.06.01 00:29:00 -
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As a Naglfar pilot I fully support this thread. Minie caps esp. the Nag require TLC.
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Lilith lafolle
Beehive Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.01 21:17:00 -
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/signed
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
I didn't say Amarr deserved to have pwnmobile capitals while Minmatar got crap. I agree, there's some rebalancing needed there - I did support this thread, after all. I'm just saying, from what I can tell, the Minmatar are very good at subcapital fighting.
As for the Sleip and Mael, yeah, they're not for all situations, though I think you're a bit quick to write off the Mael for PvP. But the raw numbers they put out are terrifying.
As a Min BS V pilot, the mael does something like 6-7% more damage than the tempest. It's just not worth justifying the loss of 2 utility highslots and a 50mil price mark up. I could see it a bit better for small gangs where you might be able to tank better, but most the time small gangs are more nano friendly (another reason why everyone loves minmatar, especially with the rapier and huginn) and there isn't much place for a slow battleship.
I really think projectile guns in general could use a bit of a boost too, but even with that the naglfar would still need a significant change to make it a worthwhile dread.
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Efa Morgan
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Posted - 2008.06.02 16:54:00 -
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makanesi
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:30:00 -
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LaFond
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:15:00 -
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Minmatar capitals definately need to be looked at and brought on par with the other races. |
DrElJefeMD
The Singularity Amalgamation
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:29:00 -
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/signed
As someone who will become minnie capital capable in about 60 days, they could use some lovin right about now
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MentaFox
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.06.02 21:37:00 -
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Very good post, defintately gets a support from me. However minmatar have the ZOMFG ITS FREKKIN' VERTICAL, DUDE!!1!!1111!11!!-advantage.. ----------------------
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Jeats Cheats
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.03 00:18:00 -
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I like these proposed changes
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Yorda on 03/06/2008 01:05:19
Originally by: Jeats Cheats I like these proposed changes
After thinking about it for a bit, I dont think the nidhoggur changes will change it to be a better shield tank than armor tank. It will however give it better cap regen, the nidhoggur doesn't really need as big a boost than the naglfar and without significant changes to cap recharges / CPRs vs. PDS it probably wont ever be shield tanked.
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Lopin Acheteur
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Posted - 2008.06.03 03:38:00 -
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The naglfar does more damage than any of the other dreads at an effective POS siege range (all the others only have 4 high slots, 3 for weapons, the naglfar has 5 high slots, for 4 weapons.). You are forgetting that the Naglfar can fit close range weapons and still be effective, while blasters and pulses tend to come in under the range required to be effective in a POS siege and useless unless you are ontop of enemy capitals in a capital fight.
If you were to balance it to require just guns, you would need to remove a high slot like all the other dreads, then you could give double damage bonuses instead of the current split bonuses. There is a danger of making all the dreads too generic though, I did like the flavour the split system gave. The phoenix does the lowest damage, but it is forgiving of range. The Moros does excellent drone damage, but it can't use blasters effectively in most situations, it also has a weaker tank than the revelation. The Revelation is probably the best dread out there for sieges, not requiring you to keep pressing fire, having a good range and tanking well.
The Nidhoggur is already arguably the best carrier out there for the usual remote repping circlejerk setups that you see these days, giving it an extra mid would be unbalanced, it had one removed to give it an extra low. I personally think this was a mistake, given that there are already two armor tanking carriers, and this as you point out means training another skillset, although being minmatar you should probably be used to this. Faster regen on the Nidhoggur also suits its role as the best remote repping carrier out there, being as the cap trick doesn't really work on capital ships, it will easily out rep the other carriers, the Thanatos's damage bonus isn't hugely significant anymore (in days of assigned fighters from behind POS shields it was). With the change to an armor tank, the CPU isn't really an issue, as it isn't on the archon or thanatos.
ALL capital ships need more CPU, especially the ones that shield tank you need fitting mods on the Phoenix/Chimera still also, which for a capital ship is ridiculous. Grid as far as I'm aware is a total non issue, I've never seen anyone run out of grid on any potential capital ship fit.
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The Hardman
Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe
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Posted - 2008.06.03 07:43:00 -
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Supported.
(and pulse have greater range than ACs)
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:25:00 -
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Just a quick question.
The op states that the Nag needs to use 4 damage mods to compete with the other Dreads
How can this be when the Nag starts with 33% more firepower than other dreads due to 4 weapons instead of 3 ?
Assuming tech II modules.
With todays stacking penalties 3 bcu on a phoenix would only give a total damage modifier of 1.57 3 weapons * 1.57 = 4.71
Compared to a nagflar with 1 bcu and 1 gyro 4 weapons * 1.2 = 4.8
So now you 2 extra slots for tanking whether you go shield or armor I dont know.
But do you still say the Nag needs love ?. |
Karze Dywine
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:48:00 -
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/signed
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