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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 25/05/2008 01:51:10
[Low] Overdrive Injector II Overdrive Injector II Nanofiber Structure II
[Med] Faint Warp Inhibitor I (1 point) 1MN MWD II Small Capacitor Battery II
[High] 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
[Rigs] Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I
With my skills I get a 10.6km range on my rockets, 7643 m/s, 54 dps, and cap stable. Is this cutting it too close or should I sacrifice some speed and go for Standard Missiles? _
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:01:00 -
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Yes, no, maybe?
Anyone :( _
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Major Smoke
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:01:00 -
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Nah, rockets the way to go if you ask me.
but train your missiles lenght skills a little more to get out of web range. my rockets go 14km with my skills.
Plus remove a Overdrive injector for another Nano. i know you lose speed but its all about orbit speed, thats where you need to tank.
And train your cap skills, you shouldnt need a cap battery, i go a micro warp, scram and web, and i can run them at 55% cap. a web will save you when you least expect it.
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Li Wren
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:10:00 -
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I'd recommend using Standard Missiles as appose to Rockets as having to stay inside web range is kind of asking for it. You shouldn't need the cap battery, I'd suggest training up cap skills so you can swap in a webber.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:12:00 -
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Alright, I guess another ship I have to store until I get better cap skills. _
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E Vile
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.25 08:52:00 -
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I wouldn't use nano structures with poly rigs. Use inerta stab considering that nano is nerf stacked with the polys. (2 poly rigs, 2 overdrives, 1 inert stab) For a cheaper fit use nozzle rigs and a nano structure with 2 overdrives. I use a mix of these 2 by using-1 poly rig, 1 nozzle rig, 1 nano structure, and 2 overdrives. Keeps the cost down. A extra 50 mil when the items are nerf stacked just isnt worth it for me.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.25 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns Yes, no, maybe?
Anyone :(
I don't know, could you repeat the question?
*waits to see if anyone gets it*
Silly question for you - if you're already going over 7km/s, what's your speed like with T2 Javelin rockets? You should still be able to go over 6.5km/s with them, and they give you a range of about 45km.
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Ryusoath Orillian
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Posted - 2008.05.25 09:45:00 -
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Stand back boys i'm(my main is) a hardcore crow pilot.
Quote: [Low] Overdrive Injector II - fine Overdrive Injector II - fine Nanofiber Structure II - fine
[Med] Faint Warp Inhibitor I (1 point) - ok. 1MN MWD II - poly's but the MWD isn't faction+. Crazy. Small Capacitor Battery II - WTF ?
[High] 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
[Rigs] Polycarbon Engine Housing I -jesus, Polycarbon Engine Housing I you like throwing money away ?
See notes ^
common setup [Low] Overdrive Injector II Overdrive Injector II Nanofiber Structure II
[Med] fleeting warp scrambler gistii b-type 1MN MWD fleeting propulsion inhibtor
[High] 'Arbalest' missile Launcher I x3
[Rigs] none .
that setup is very common, and it works well, its cap stable with proper cap skills. change OD with a DCU and stick a aux thruster rig on and its a better ship to use in a very small inti gang or even solo. or change one OD for a BCU and rig it . that would be tasty too. the web is not a great idea when tackling big guys, but great when you are already ahead in fight with small ships.
personally i don't fit a web.
and rockets work if you have high missile range skills , being so close to web range isn't a good idea.
CROW EFT WARRIOR
free rig slot on that too. (yes i know its not cap stable)
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wi ownYoo
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: wi ownYoo on 25/05/2008 10:27:57 Edited by: wi ownYoo on 25/05/2008 10:26:20
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Raymond Sterns Yes, no, maybe?
Anyone :(
I don't know, could you repeat the question?
*waits to see if anyone gets it*
You're not the boss of me now You're not the boss of me now You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big
Did i get it? :)
//edit:Try at least to get rid of the injector, try a cap recharger and stick with standart launchers till you have godly missile and cap skills.
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Niffetin
Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:27:00 -
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Crow sucks, Rocket-Crow sucks even more.
Fly something else.
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Ryusoath Orillian
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Niffetin Crow sucks, Rocket-Crow sucks even more.
Fly something else.
Go **** yourself.
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Jade190
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:44:00 -
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Putting a web on a ship that DOESN'T want to get into web range seems unwise.... ------ Fighting stupidity since before you were stupid. |
Jadiin
Mindstar Technology The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jade190 Putting a web on a ship that DOESN'T want to get into web range seems unwise....
A web on a crow is there as a life line in case anything gets close to you.
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TII Noob
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade190 Putting a web on a ship that DOESN'T want to get into web range seems unwise....
so you never flew crow huh?
crow with webs has chance to kill all other ceptors + nano hacs. without web you cant.
so you fail
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade190 Putting a web on a ship that DOESN'T want to get into web range seems unwise....
WTS clue. With the recent inty boost there is no need for a cap recharger in the 3rd mid so you might as well stick a web there. Good for fighting other crows and catching nano HACs.
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Lrrp
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:39:00 -
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Also improve all your nav skills. With (2)thruster rigs, (1) t2 OD, (2) T2 nano's and a t2 Mwd, I get 7.6k m/s. Poly's are way too expensive for this ship unless you are lighting up your stogies with burning isk
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De Vito
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 25/05/2008 01:51:10
[Low] Overdrive Injector II Overdrive Injector II Nanofiber Structure II
[Med] Faint Warp Inhibitor I (1 point) 1MN MWD II Small Capacitor Battery II
[High] 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
[Rigs] Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I
With my skills I get a 10.6km range on my rockets, 7643 m/s, 54 dps, and cap stable. Is this cutting it too close or should I sacrifice some speed and go for Standard Missiles?
hm.. not bad.. but too expensive..
why not?
Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II
TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay,Dread Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay,Dread Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay,Dread Guristas Bloodclaw Light Missile 75mm Gatling Rail II,Caldari Navy Iron Charge S
Auxiliary Thrusters I Auxiliary Thrusters I
6950 m/s 62 DPS and cost only 40m :)
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MentaFox
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:35:00 -
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use standard launchers, and replace the cap battery with a web/maybe a sensorbooster, if you arent the only inty in a gang, and/or if you arent trying to catch frigs and pods etc. ----------------------
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Monticore D'Muertos
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 26/05/2008 00:43:07 3x standard t2, 1x 150mm t2 ac t2 mwd, t2 web, t2 disruptor t2 pdu, t2 od, t2 nano 2x aux rigs
about 45m isk, 6400m/s, 83dps if your dogfighting another crow well you need to web him or him web you or nobody dies that extra 20dps from the ac can help.
the extra shield helps, can perma run mwd/disruptor
rockets seem good for the extra dps but other short ranged ceptors have more dps and more tank. with 13km heated web range fighting at 14km seems too risky
the difference between a 6km/s crow and a 12km/s crow the later is better at running away.but if your smart you shouldnt die in the 6km/s 1 either and its gonna hurt less.
if your going to invest isk into a crow, faction web for dualing ceptors, faction disruptor for tackling bs outisde neut range would be a beter way to invest 100m
and always keep your web pre heated (mostly for defence)if if hes faster than you that xtra 3km helps. the web also helps vs slow ceptors doing fly by webs so your missile will hit.
get on test and practice flying crows are easy, dying in them even easier.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:36:00 -
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Putting Polycarbs on a Crow and not investing the 25mil for a Gistii B-type MWD is a crime ...
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Kyusoath Orillian
UK Corp Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 26/05/2008 13:53:21
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Putting Polycarbs on a Crow and not investing the 25mil for a Gistii B-type MWD is a crime
QFT
edit : damn ignore sig its out of date now. _________________________________________________
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Durzel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 26/05/2008 14:49:44 So, out of curiosity, what's this "invulnerable 5bn Crow" setup that I've heard people talking of recently? Just curious really as I have neither the ISK nor the skills nor am I likely to for quite some time.
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Vardemis
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 26/05/2008 14:49:44 So, out of curiosity, what's this "invulnerable 5bn Crow" setup that I've heard people talking of recently? Just curious really as I have neither the ISK nor the skills nor am I likely to for quite some time.
A-Type MWD 2x Faction Overdrive 1x Faction Nanofiber 2x T2 Polycarbon Engine Housing
Snake Set 7% Speed Hardwiring 5% Hardwirings for the other slots
Strong X-Instinct Booster
Buddy in a Claymore with maxed skills.
Should get you to around 50km/s or so. At least that is what the EFT warriors say. The other slots can be used as you see fit, but just using a ship that fast will be a challenge in itself, since the normal delay of command will probably result in you being off grid or far far away of the target already. So I would rather not use the expensive implants, use a less expensive MWD, basic T2 mods, maybe T1 rigs and you will still be ridiculously fast with a Claymore in gang and active drugs in your system.
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Erocitnom
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Erocitnom on 26/05/2008 16:52:22
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 26/05/2008 14:49:44 So, out of curiosity, what's this "invulnerable 5bn Crow" setup that I've heard people talking of recently? Just curious really as I have neither the ISK nor the skills nor am I likely to for quite some time.
maybe this 1?http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Evil+Edna&id=3348774&page=1&filter=losses#fitting
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Maeltstome
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:47:00 -
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I prefer t2 rocket launchers + web for crow fitting.
Bad crow pilots use rockets, get close and shoot. Average Crow pilots use standards and sit at 20km. Outstanding crow pilots use rockets and know when to use the web, and when to stay out of range.
Javelins are fun for nailing big ships with little active tank and poor tracking.
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Durzel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vardemis
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 26/05/2008 14:49:44 So, out of curiosity, what's this "invulnerable 5bn Crow" setup that I've heard people talking of recently? Just curious really as I have neither the ISK nor the skills nor am I likely to for quite some time.
A-Type MWD 2x Faction Overdrive 1x Faction Nanofiber 2x T2 Polycarbon Engine Housing
Snake Set 7% Speed Hardwiring 5% Hardwirings for the other slots
Strong X-Instinct Booster
Buddy in a Claymore with maxed skills.
Should get you to around 50km/s or so. At least that is what the EFT warriors say. The other slots can be used as you see fit, but just using a ship that fast will be a challenge in itself, since the normal delay of command will probably result in you being off grid or far far away of the target already. So I would rather not use the expensive implants, use a less expensive MWD, basic T2 mods, maybe T1 rigs and you will still be ridiculously fast with a Claymore in gang and active drugs in your system.
Thanks, interesting setup.
It strikes me that this sort of ship would be a bit of a glass cannon? Is speed tanking really that effective? Who would you actually be fighting in a ship like that, or would you be purely fleet support?
(total PvP noob so go easy )
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vardemis
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 26/05/2008 14:49:44 So, out of curiosity, what's this "invulnerable 5bn Crow" setup that I've heard people talking of recently? Just curious really as I have neither the ISK nor the skills nor am I likely to for quite some time.
A-Type MWD 2x Faction Overdrive 1x Faction Nanofiber 2x T2 Polycarbon Engine Housing
Snake Set 7% Speed Hardwiring 5% Hardwirings for the other slots
Strong X-Instinct Booster
Buddy in a Claymore with maxed skills.
Should get you to around 50km/s or so. At least that is what the EFT warriors say. The other slots can be used as you see fit, but just using a ship that fast will be a challenge in itself, since the normal delay of command will probably result in you being off grid or far far away of the target already. So I would rather not use the expensive implants, use a less expensive MWD, basic T2 mods, maybe T1 rigs and you will still be ridiculously fast with a Claymore in gang and active drugs in your system.
Well out of experience i can say that everything above 30k is pretty much poitnless. Its surley a good laugh when you zoom around the grid but i doubt you are able to takle anything while going that fast. Also its quiet stresful when you load the grid and then end up being 500km away from everything.
about the crow in general, with the nano boost and all ceptors expect the ranis/claw (SR) going more then 6k the crow has ended its better days. even with precission missles you are not going to kill anyone also those make you more vunerable to the ranis and crusader. My adive is that the crow is an okisch takler but there is a tons of better ones.
Fitting whise i would go with something like
standard missle launcher x3 doenst have to be t2 cause the dps is ****ty anway. mwd t2, distrubtor t2, and depending on your cap skills t2 webber or cap recharger 2 overdrive, 1 nano
when you are going in for long range and are not pimped with imps or rigs you shouldnt need an istab.
About speedtanking when you manage to get over 8k nothing can touch you, except bad transversal or a huggin/rapier.
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Tuis Ryche
Free Collective The OSS
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:10:00 -
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Webs are not a bad idea because I'll trade a Crow for a nanoHAC anyday in a gang and if I can slow the thing down enough for the gang, then yay
"May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't." ---Gen . George S. Patton, Jr. |
Maeltstome
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tuis Ryche Webs are not a bad idea because I'll trade a Crow for a nanoHAC anyday in a gang and if I can slow the thing down enough for the gang, then yay
I'm still waiting for the speed-demons to realised that it's cheaper and about 10000x more effective to spend 80mil on a domi web - rather than 200mil on a gistii a-type mwd...
Oh well, they will learn the hard way. -------
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:18:00 -
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How about this fit - I've been a cheapass in the past, but my wallet has reached the point where I can PvP in style now.
If anyone says "too expensive", I really couldn't care less, I'm not a cheapass anymore!
I'd like to hear opinions about if this is a solid quality fit is all really, and/or suggestions:
[LOWS] -2 x Overdrive Injector System II -1 x Capacitor Power Relay II
[MIDS] -1 x Domination 1MN MicroWarpdrive -1 x Warp Disruptor II -1 x Stasis Webifier II
[HIGHS] -3 x 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher [Caldari Navy Light Missiles]
[RIGS] -2 x Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Estimated cost would be about 150 million. With my skills, it can go 7733m/s and perma-run all modules. DPS is only 55 though - however the Crow sucks on damage anyways, and that damage is never put to full use unless your in a nanofag swarm where the combined sucky damage becomes formidable behind the safety of speed fits.
Even if I wanted extra damage, I would have to use Rockets which would give a extra 13-16dps and have a 10-11km range - and unfortunately I am not that stupid nor insane to do that.
I kinda envisioned it to be a typical crow that would play the role as a tackler and/or as a countermeasure to other nanos - not really interested in damage on cepters in general anyways, unless I want assurance that in a ceptor vs ceptor fight, I live. ____________________
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