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Draximus Cane
Infected.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:39:00 -
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Privitears?
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Efdi
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke And, just as importantly, the people making the wardec more expensive for you, are also paying more.
Sry, nop. You must've missed the part where he said they made the wars mutual.
The wars are not mutual. If they were mutual, they would not be counted towards active wars to determine war fees for a newly declared war.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider ::blah blah:: [snip] ... You have been interfering with the Uni's mission, which benefits all of Eve. ::blah blah:: [snip]
Don't kid yourself ... you just taught ... "if don't like the rules .. bend them" ...GREAT BENEFIT to eve ..
A BIG THANK-YOU my saviors ...
Thanks,
PB
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider You have been interfering with the Uni's mission, which benefits all of Eve.
EVE University and its mission do not benefit me, my corporation or my alliance.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Marak Diero
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Cosmic Raider ::blah blah:: [snip] ... You have been interfering with the Uni's mission, which benefits all of Eve. ::blah blah:: [snip]
Don't kid yourself ... you just taught ... "if don't like the rules .. bend them" ...GREAT BENEFIT to eve ..
A BIG THANK-YOU my saviors ...
I think it's quite funny to read all that Privateer Whine
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Ker HarSol
Zip - I
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Cosmic Raider ::blah blah:: [snip] ... You have been interfering with the Uni's mission, which benefits all of Eve. ::blah blah:: [snip]
Don't kid yourself ... you just taught ... "if don't like the rules .. bend them" ...GREAT BENEFIT to eve ..
A BIG THANK-YOU my saviors ...
Haha! Really, that is a good laugh. Privateers and complaining about bending rules. All is fine as long as only you bend the rules, eh? But as soon as you are on the recieving end it is suddenly exploit, cheating and just destroying Eve?
LOL
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:10:00 -
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Eve University is a pathetic entity and must be destroyed and removed from Eve.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ker HarSol Haha! Really, that is a good laugh. Privateers and complaining about bending rules. All is fine as long as only you bend the rules, eh? But as soon as you are on the recieving end it is suddenly exploit, cheating and just destroying Eve?
LOL
When did PRVTR bend the rules? Once upon a time, there were 4 noobs who joined a corp called jR Mafia (Yeah, I know, should've known better to begin with). There was a disagreement with the CEO and he kept giving and removing roles, to lock us into the corporation so he could freely gank us with his Rapier (we were all under 2M SP and flying poorly fitted cruisers at the time, about 2 weeks into the game for all of us... he never did manage to catch and kill any of us despite this). So, we each petitioned for Harassment and were moved to the NPC corp by the GMs - okay, great.
We then decided that, instead of risk joining another corp and having another complete jerk like that for a CEO, we'd just do our own thing... so we make our own new corp. Well, doesn't that jerk wardec us, with the intent being nothing more than to continue his harassment and/or griefing. So, we petitioned it... the GM reply was "You may wardec for any reason or no reason at all. This isn't harassment. Regards, GM xxxxxx" This was before the P-Alliance nerf patch that made the wardec system what it is now.
This was a sobering reality check about EVE-Online. It took a few days, but I was able to get the dude to chill the hell out for ten minutes so we could talk the issue out, clear the air, and he ended up retracting the wardec and leaving us alone.
The POINT here is, even when they wardec'd all of EVE, PRVTR weren't bending or even breaking any rules. They still aren't.
Ivy League, on the other hand, might just be. Look at iMune Empire. When they did what they did, they petitioned the GM staff and asked if what they were doing was okay, and they were told 'yes, this is fine - it's within the game mechanics.' Then, they actually did it. And what happened then is well-known history: it was declared to be an exploit of the game mechanics. It was stated that, even though it was within the game mechanics to do what iMune Empire was doing, that game mechanic was never intended to be used to avoid conflict, but only to allow smaller entities to merge into larger entities in order to get help in fighting through their conflict. The banstick was brandished and people stopped doing it.
Is what Ivy League is doing here with their 18 or however many 1-man alt corps an exploit? That is, are they using a game mechanic that was designed to keep people from declaring war on all of EVE to prevent people from declaring war on themselves, thus using a game mechanic in a way that is very much contrary to the intent of the developers? I think that's a very obvious 'yes'.
Will it be changed just for this? To be honest, I doubt it. However, I do believe that as more and more people use this trick to make wardec'ing them cost 1b or more per week, thus rendering the Corporation War system completely inert, it will be changed. It's only a matter of time and how widely abused it is.
So enjoy it while it lasts... as much as you're enjoying PRVTR's 'tears' now, they'll be enjoying yours even more a few months from now.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:24:00 -
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Translation:
Privateer Alliance: "WAAAHHH! Someone figured out a way to make our gank wars against noobs COST us enough ISK to hurt, WAAAH CCP, make them go away so we can go back to pretending to be great pvp'ers when we only can kill empire haulers and noobs in T1 frigates.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej Is what Ivy League is doing here with their 18 or however many 1-man alt corps an exploit? That is, are they using a game mechanic that was designed to keep people from declaring war on all of EVE to prevent people from declaring war on themselves, thus using a game mechanic in a way that is very much contrary to the intent of the developers? I think that's a very obvious 'yes'.
Ivy's unique approach does not prevent any war. All it does is make it more expensive.
In an interesting way, it actually makes wars more market driven.
Tormenta Noche
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej When did PRVTR bend the rules? Once upon a time, there were 4 noobs who joined a corp called jR Mafia (Yeah, I know, should've known better to begin with). There was a disagreement with the CEO and he kept giving and removing roles, to lock us into the corporation so he could freely gank us with his Rapier (we were all under 2M SP and flying poorly fitted cruisers at the time, about 2 weeks into the game for all of us... he never did manage to catch and kill any of us despite this). So, we each petitioned for Harassment and were moved to the NPC corp by the GMs - okay, great.
We then decided that, instead of risk joining another corp and having another complete jerk like that for a CEO, we'd just do our own thing... so we make our own new corp. Well, doesn't that jerk wardec us, with the intent being nothing more than to continue his harassment and/or griefing. So, we petitioned it... the GM reply was "You may wardec for any reason or no reason at all. This isn't harassment. Regards, GM xxxxxx" This was before the P-Alliance nerf patch that made the wardec system what it is now.
This was a sobering reality check about EVE-Online. It took a few days, but I was able to get the dude to chill the hell out for ten minutes so we could talk the issue out, clear the air, and he ended up retracting the wardec and leaving us alone.
The POINT here is, even when they wardec'd all of EVE, PRVTR weren't bending or even breaking any rules. They still aren't.
Ivy League, on the other hand, might just be. Look at iMune Empire. When they did what they did, they petitioned the GM staff and asked if what they were doing was okay, and they were told 'yes, this is fine - it's within the game mechanics.' Then, they actually did it. And what happened then is well-known history: it was declared to be an exploit of the game mechanics. It was stated that, even though it was within the game mechanics to do what iMune Empire was doing, that game mechanic was never intended to be used to avoid conflict, but only to allow smaller entities to merge into larger entities in order to get help in fighting through their conflict. The banstick was brandished and people stopped doing it.
Is what Ivy League is doing here with their 18 or however many 1-man alt corps an exploit? That is, are they using a game mechanic that was designed to keep people from declaring war on all of EVE to prevent people from declaring war on themselves, thus using a game mechanic in a way that is very much contrary to the intent of the developers? I think that's a very obvious 'yes'.
Will it be changed just for this? To be honest, I doubt it. However, I do believe that as more and more people use this trick to make wardec'ing them cost 1b or more per week, thus rendering the Corporation War system completely inert, it will be changed. It's only a matter of time and how widely abused it is.
So enjoy it while it lasts... as much as you're enjoying PRVTR's 'tears' now, they'll be enjoying yours even more a few months from now.
FINALLY someone besides a douche bag alt spouting off at the mouth because they have an axe to grind against Privateer Alliance ...
PROPS for the most intelligent response to this thread
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Mortuus
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:43:00 -
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So what happens when a major alliance does the same but with 60 alt corps? Or 500? That could easily be made in just ratting taxes and make them all immune to empire wars. Occassus Republica <3 |
Patri Andari
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:44:00 -
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Travesty indeed sir. Let me see if I got this correct.
1. Many corps declare war on target corps not in alliances for less than the amount for an alliance to declare war.
2. The corps then join an alliance and transfer the wars to the alliance.
3. Alliance gets multiple wars for far less then the alliance rate.
4 Corps drop alliance when wars end.
5. Rinse & repeat.
6. Profit?
This is outrageous! THIS clearly was not the Developers intent! THIS should be looked into before it destroys the very fabric of EVE! THIS...This...this was not the tactic you were posting about, huh?
Ooops my bad. I meant to say:
Developers look into the tactics used by Eve-Uni to increase the cost of war! But please do not concern yourself with the Privateers harmless war cost reduction sch...uh..err..program.
That is all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus So what happens when a major alliance does the same but with 60 alt corps? Or 500? That could easily be made in just ratting taxes and make them all immune to empire wars.
Pirates who wardec 0.0 alliances are also immune. Mainly because they don't have the guts to leave empire and actually fight. PA is a great example. So why not?
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jakke Logan
Originally by: Mortuus So what happens when a major alliance does the same but with 60 alt corps? Or 500? That could easily be made in just ratting taxes and make them all immune to empire wars.
Pirates who wardec 0.0 alliances are also immune. Mainly because they don't have the guts to leave empire and actually fight. PA is a great example. So why not?
You're pretty stupid, you know that? Are you going through puberty?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch Hooch, voice crying in the wilderness
At least he finally admits it.
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Keeves
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:01:00 -
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Christ, you guys adapted before, do it again and stop whining. There is an assload of cheap tactics used to avoid wars and pvp, its game mechanics and are overused by every carebearing corps out there. But now E-Uni does it to you and oh dear God we have ourselves an exploit. There is ways around it... But as your previous mathematical knowledge has shown, your not the brightest bulb in the hardware store.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:11:00 -
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Please continue discussion in this thread.
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