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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:10:00 -
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Well this is pretty simple question and was hoping a dev could answer this quickly and professionally. What i am asking has come about cause of the removal of GTC's. Yea there is a post about that but this is not about that. This has only become a problem cause of gtc card changes. Pretty Simply i just want CPP to explain why it costs more for ppl in Europe than it does in the US
Here is the sub plans for a year if ur in europe and if ur in US
1 year subsciption (if outside of US) 131 Euro's
1 Year subsciption (Inside the US) 131 Dollars thats 83 Euro's !!!!!!
So Please Devs Explain why u like American players more than us european players. Can someone please explain this to me as i cant even see CPP's reason for doing this. Also why should i have to pay more than an american am i not as welcome. CPP say that are standardising payments but they aren't why is it fair that my american friend is allowed to nearly get an extra half a year for free.
Plz i just want the reason why we as europeans are getting a hard deal.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:14:00 -
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CCP personally hate you and want you to quit. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Lafe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lafe on 25/05/2008 22:15:22 Linkage
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:16:00 -
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hehe yea seems that way or maybe they just hates all europeans :D.
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Ion Knight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:17:00 -
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Actually EVE doesn't follow under VAT so there is no excuise.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:18:00 -
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And anyway even if that was VAT that isnt Correct it would be for us 100 Euros so where does the other 30 comes from. Next time check how much vat is before u make stupid comments
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:19:00 -
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The reason: VAT and the dollar dropping like rock. The problem: US players are paying less than they should. The solution: Raise USD subscription prices.
If this is done, what will it have helped you? You want all US players to be screwed because you're getting a 'hard deal'?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:19:00 -
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Because prices were set back in the day when USD+VAT=EUR. The USD tanked against the EUR, quite heavily. If you keep the same prices, EU people cry that "it's not fair they should pay more", like it happens already. If you hike up non-EU prices, the rest cry that "why the hell have you increased the subscription, I'm quitting". No matter what they do, somebody whines.
Personally, I'd like it to have an unique price in EUR (without VAT), then they should charge different VAT rates according to EU country of the subscriber (like they should), and for non-EU countries, exchange in local currency and apply the appropriate taxes (if any).
BUT... I wouldn't put my hopes up.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight hehe yea seems that way or maybe they just hates all europeans :D.
Since I suppose very little of CCP's expenses are in USD, they shouldn't be happy either with the earnings they get when they charge in USD. If they change anything, americans and generaly ppl paying in USD should be charged more, not euro paying customers be charged less. Boink! |
Lafe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight And anyway even if that was VAT that isnt Correct it would be for us 100 Euros so where does the other 30 comes from. Next time check how much vat is before u make stupid comments
Uhm, easy there emo nublet.
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:25:00 -
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Well they had to make up for the Marshall plan somehow.
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Tellenta
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:26:00 -
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Seriously who cares about Europeans anyways?
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Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 22:31:00 1) already threads on this subject. 2) Billing is not what devs are here for. 3) Would you rather they used some weird second-by-second exchange rate, making prices for all subs fluctuate constantly? Thats just foolish.
Will you also be whining when the Dollar makes a comeback? "I demand CCP charge me more, so I am not getting cheaper rates then those Americans!" I doubt it.
<tinfoil hat*> either that, or this noise on the forum is from RMT'er alts and Macro operators, who rely on having lots of GTCs flowing in the market to operate their accounts cheaply? </tinfoil hat>
EDIT: In the always easy to understand words of Akita T:
Originally by: Akita T
No matter what they do, somebody whines.
*tinfoil hattery is almost as silly as Euro whines.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:31:00 -
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Akita thank you for an actual useful response unlike some ppl. To Estel Arador yes i think u should pay the same as everyone else peroid.
Akita got it on the nail in terms of what i want. I want everyone to either PAY in EURO or everyone pay in dollars (so everyone pays the same).
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight Akita thank you for an actual useful response unlike some ppl. To Estel Arador yes i think u should pay the same as everyone else peroid.
Akita got it on the nail in terms of what i want. I want everyone to either PAY in EURO or everyone pay in dollars (so everyone pays the same).
Quite the communist aren't you. CCP's billing procedures are *literally* their own business, and you should leave it to them to figure it out. That you whine like a spoiled child about something that doesn't even effect you is disgusting.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tek'a Rain <tinfoil hat*> either that, or this noise on the forum is from RMT'er alts and Macro operators, who rely on having lots of GTCs flowing in the market to operate their accounts cheaply?</tinfoil hat>
I don't know… the step between tinfoil hats and nails' heads can be surprisingly short at times.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:42:14 Well the fact that is does as i am a EUROPEAN so out course it effects me.
So Gamer4liff u called me spoiled little child cause im annoyed that i have to pay alot more than other ppl. Typical flamer who actually brings nothing to the table apart from being a ****** and just trying to act clever
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight Well the fact that is does as i am a EUROPEAN so out course it effects me.
How
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:44:20 Well i pay 131 euro u pay 83 euros u do the math. Also there billing procedures are all our problems as we the customer has a right to fair pricing
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight Well i pay 131 euro u pay 83 euros u do the math
I don't see your point. You want us to pay equal to what you pay? If that happened you still wouldn't been effected, but others would. All I see is spite.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:47:25 Yes i dont care what the price is whether i pay less or u pay more i just want an equal pricing system. Why should u pay less ?
The fact that we used to be able to come close to getting the same price as US SUB by using GTC's meant this problem never came up now there is no benefit to them why should we pay extra ?
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight Yes i dont care what the price is whether i pay less or u pay more i just want an equal pricing system. Why should u pay less ?
Why shouldn't I? It doesn't make a bit of difference. CCP's pricing systems are their own.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:51:11 "Why shouldn't I? It doesn't make a bit of difference. CCP's pricing systems are their own."
Well ur obviously american no doubt. Of course it makes a difference European players are paying so that US players can have it cheaper!!. CPP pricing system is their own yes doesnt mean its correct. As a customer of CPP i have a right to complain about an unfair billing system.
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Barbens
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador The reason: VAT and the dollar dropping like rock. The problem: US players are paying less than they should. The solution: Raise USD subscription prices.
If this is done, what will it have helped you? You want all US players to be screwed because you're getting a 'hard deal'?
We're paying the same we've always paid. Your paying the same you've always paid. Do i notice in my every day life the dollar had devalued? nope. Do you notice in your everyday life the euro has gotten stronger? Probably not. So you pay your $15 and I'll pay my $15 and eve will continue on.
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: IonKnight Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:51:11 "Why shouldn't I? It doesn't make a bit of difference. CCP's pricing systems are their own."
Well ur obviously american no doubt. Of course it makes a difference European players are paying so that US players can have it cheaper!!. CPP pricing system is their own yes doesnt mean its correct. As a customer of CPP i have a right to complain about an unfair billing system.
As you clearly have the intellect of a jelly donut I don't think I'll respond after this post.
Oh, and if it makes you feel better, I play for $0.00 a year(GTC).
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Ga'len
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador The reason: VAT and the dollar dropping like rock. The problem: US players are paying less than they should. The solution: Raise USD subscription prices.
If this is done, what will it have helped you? You want all US players to be screwed because you're getting a 'hard deal'?
They already have raised them. I live in the US and I am now paying $15.40 USD instead of the old $14.95. We have to pay a currency conversion fee in many banks due to the dollar being weaker against the Icelandic Kronor.
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Tanis Sundowner
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:06:00 -
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Next month or 3 months from now or 6 or 12 when something happens with the US or EU economy causing the dollar to skyrocket or the euro to drop and americans start paying more than europeans are you going to be back on here lobbying for CCP to change the pricing again because those poor americans are now paying more than you. For some reason I don't think I would see you on here if the situation reversed, again, yes I say again becasue the currencies values are always in flux and it wasn't that long ago that americans were paying more than you when the dollar was stronger than the euro.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:06:00 -
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Well looks like the forums trolls are about i was hoping for an actual intelligent answer guess thats too hard.
Firstly Barbens just cause the subsciption is the same doesnt mean $15 and 15 euros are the same worth. So why should it be?
Gamer4liff great go back to ur GTC's thats great for u (lol even thought ur now screwed since they are getting rid of 30 and 90 day cards so will make it harder for u to pay that way).
"They already have raised them. I live in the US and I am now paying $15.40 USD instead of the old $14.95. We have to pay a currency conversion fee in many banks due to the dollar being weaker against the Icelandic Kronor."
So u think that adding 40 cents to ur subsciption even outs, trust me it doesn't. Put it simply it doesnt for example u might pay $14.95 for ur subsciption i pay $23.64. So how is that correct.
What i am asking is that CPP standardise there website so everyone pays in the same currency whether it be Icelandic Kronor, USD or the EURO.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:10:00 -
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The answer is simple... the US is better
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 23:14:22 hehe knew someone was gonna say that :D. I just don't like seeing ppl get screwed over when the solution to the problem is sooooo simple CPP Charge in ONE CURRENCY AND ONE CURRENCY only. Then no matter what the currency is neither the customer or CPP will lose out on money (aslong as the Icelandic Krona doesnt change) but then thats either no there.
Well actually them might lose a little money(as the european subsciption is so high). However it will mean they will make a standardised profit instead more profit from one player than another.
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