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ShadowMaiden
Metal Machine
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:20:00 -
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EVE is a universe where everyone has guns and wants everyone else's money. The centre is crawling with police. Surrounding the centre is an area where the police are afraid to leave major travel routes because it is crawling with extremely violent gangs. On the outskirts (0.0), we have exclusive clans trying to build picket fences around their homes. Insurance fraud is common.
So you see, Americans pay less because they aren't necessarily getting a unique experience from EVE.
I wish I was a 3ft Doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Azuraito
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:27:00 -
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Simple answer is:
Buy GTC's from US based companies, i recommend Shattered crystal |
Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 26/05/2008 00:23:57 I dunno if it's just me but all I can seem to get from this thread is this:
Euro: Waah waaah wah I pay more waah waah USA pays less waaah waah I'm ignoring the fact that before the dollar tanked, the US players actually paid more than I did because CCP takes care of VAT with their flat rate, yet I didn't see those silly americans complain like I am now waah waah.
Why dont you concentrate on your own country huh? Complain to your government officals about the VAT tax and quit trying to change foreign economic policy on an online gaming forum.
Your power of comprehension is amazing
USD is lower than EURO for quite some time now... CCP has to pay VAT for their income. Maybe USD subs are treated like export.. but still.
The difference between EURO subs and USD subs is bigger than the tax. (use calc and check for 24% and 19%, still a nice difference)
Make a complaint agains CCP for unfair pratice / customer discrimination. Forum is not going to solve this. . Bounty system
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Quelque Chose Just for kicks I looked up the single month WoW subscription rates. Here's the skinny:
USD 14.99/ month EUR 12.99/ month
EUR 12.99 = USD 20.48 per today's exchange rate.
You guys also pay more for petroleum products, cigarettes, alcohol and electric guitars... which, when piled onto video games pretty much accounts for everything that makes life worth living doesn't it? Sucks to be you. But hey, look at it this way: you're not neurotic about sex, your beer isn't "like making love in a canoe," relatively few of you think the Earth is only 6000 years old and Germany has no speed limit (assuming you can actually afford a license). Isn't that worth a little extra?
enjoy your recession
q1 measured growth
what recession?
oh and in Europe whats the cost of loaf of bread pound of chicken, beef (.45359237 kilograms) gallon of milk, gas (3.785 l) 2l of coke (or say a 20oz approx 600ml) xbox360/ps3 a night out, say going out for a dinner and movie various quantities of alcohol beer, wine, liquor
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I never stated where I live. Our cities were built primarily before the age of oil, yours were not. Interesting times for a country built on the consumption of an ever rarer resource. Europe will be fine.
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval Europe will be fine.
Well then what's all the ruckus about? ___________________________________________
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Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/05/2008 07:24:42
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton oh and in Europe whats the cost of...
Romania, in the EU but not "on the Euro" yet. All prices are aproximate final prices at supermarkets, all possible taxes included, and exchanged from local currency into USD, units of measure converted in pounds/gallons.
loaf of bread -> from 0.7$ per pound chicken legs with bone -> from 1.5$ per pound chicken breast, boneless -> from 3.2$ per pound ground pork meat -> from 1.75$ per pound prime pork meat -> from 3$ per pound beef -> from 2.4$ per pound (not so much in demand around here) milk -> from 3.25$ per gallon at the farmer's market, from 4$ per gallon at the supermarket gas -> almost 6$ per gallon
up to here, I can be pretty sure the prices are about on par with just about any EU "main-land" country, might be higher in the UK below however, things change, and I suppose it's cheaper than in the rest of the EU
2l of coke -> 1.5$ a night out, say going out for a dinner and movie -> from 20$ for a couple of ("choosy") students (you could make due with 6$ per person in a pinch), can easily go up towards 60$ or more for a couple of nitpicky adults beer -> usually sold in 0.5l size (bit under 17oz) : 0.6$ to 1.1$ for non-import beer wine -> usually sold in 0.7 or 0.75l bottles (24-25 oz) : from 1.75$ to 8.5$ (depending on age, 2-7 years range listed) cheap "bulk" liquor (40 degrees / 80 proof) -> from around 20$ per gallon
Minimum wage : aprox 190$/month (aprox 1.15$/hour) Average wage : aprox 600$/month (aprox 3.75$/hour)
Rent per MONTH : between 3$ per square meter in smaller towns, up to 10$ per square meter in large towns, for an average quality, average location apartment Housing purchase price : between 500$ and 2200 $ per square meter, same conditions as above
Nice work doing all that, and to be be honest i don't look to carefully at the prices i pay for food but you would need to double all thoes prices to get the to the uk rates
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 26/05/2008 12:49:10 As usual this topic has become a USvsTHEM thread. As usual the American's people here have come on here whining that i have pointed out a massive difference in price. I actually had to check this with an actual accountant and the simply fact is she said that the price difference has nothing to do with VAT (she checked every high vat in europe).
So to put it simply i have the information i need. Its pretty pointless any other of u american's writing here as i have stopped reading ur pointless comments. Some of u have come up with good comments however u are let down by the large amount of idiots who have posted stupid things like "it's cause america's better" and a loaf of bread costs more here.
SIMPLY it seems that not a single american (i might have missed one or two out there) wants to think about this at all. The Aim of this thread was to begin a discussion on why do american's pay less thats all. However as usual loads of ppl have just come on here to flame without actually reading other peoples comments ( mind u i didnt read the stupid ones).
Well ahh well thanks for all the useful comments and to all the people just postings the same stuff over and over again just get a life.
If come down to the decision American's pay less quite simply cause there a bunch of whining bastards (hehe well thats what ive seen from this thread). Also to the people have gone completely off topic saying thats things cost more in American. THAT IS NOT AN EXCUISE WHY EVE IS MORE EXPENSIVE. CPP DON'T GO OH THE USD IS DOWN LETS cut prices. I wanted to know what the actual price difference was for as no tax covers it. So to put it simply i think it's just down to EVE realising that if they change anything now (even thought they are losing alot of money from americans) they will just get a load of moaning american's saying why do we have to pay more it's not our fault the usd is **** (and also cause they can get away with it).
So i think pretty much CPP has done this just to cover there asses christ if i got this many moaning from posting a valid question about price differnces. I can't imagine what it would be like if they actually put in a flat rate for the game.
I probably wont write anything else unless someone writes something intelligent and to the point (US ECONMICS doesnt have anything to do with the price of eve btw).
Anyway thanks again for the intelligent posts. But as no surprise about 1/3 was intelligent comments another 1/3 was just off topic or funny and the rest were just damm right abusive.
Regards Your friendly Neightbour pirate
Now all go watch this and chukkle http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lj9Zmir79bs
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Hellspawn666
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:48:00 -
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First this is getting a wee off topic and is going to end up a EU versus US smackfest im just waiting for someone to bring up world war 2 then we can all get the thread locked.
As for the US people who keep stating that the amount of money they pay is fair since other companies charge the same for WOW etc in the US and most the US players would quit if they put it on level with EU costs thats complete bull, can you honestly say that most people would quit the game if ccp rised subscription costs... poeple dont choose this game over wow for that reason and nor would they.
Also im not sure if you've actually played the game latly but the game is almost growing too fast then actually running out of players, and tbh ild rather they charged the same in the US lose a few players so less people = same amount of revenue, ccp would pretty much gain in this sense since the servers would have less strain requireing less upgrading.
Now as for those that state that its rediculas to set the costs of the game based on exchange rate, i dont think anyone here is suggesting that they constantly change the cost for the sake of a few cents, but the EU people here are stating that the difference is large enough now that the US should be paying eqaual to the rest of the world. Stop suggeesting its because of our tax system that it costs this much anyone who knows about the tax's in the EU would realise the numbers certainly dont even come close to equal. As a brit i realise i will always lose out since they wont let me pay in sterling but at the end of the day do you really think that CCP has done this becuase they are worried about losing american business or because they just havent looked at the numbers yet, im more likly to go with the 2nd.
Can any american or in fact anyone from the world tell me why you believe it is fair that americans should pay less then the rest of the world not just the EU. Its clear that the exchange rate isnt going to get any better for the US anytime soon with the future for the economy looking weak so it should really be changed everytime the cost is more then 25% out of sync with the rest of the world. Were paying for the same product i see no reason why anyone should pay more or less feel free to include VAT in the costs but still make it equal please.
Just my two cents/pennys.
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Hellspawn666
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tek'a Rain Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 22:31:00 1) already threads on this subject. 2) Billing is not what devs are here for. 3) Would you rather they used some weird second-by-second exchange rate, making prices for all subs fluctuate constantly? Thats just foolish.
Will you also be whining when the Dollar makes a comeback? "I demand CCP charge me more, so I am not getting cheaper rates then those Americans!" I doubt it.
<tinfoil hat*> either that, or this noise on the forum is from RMT'er alts and Macro operators, who rely on having lots of GTCs flowing in the market to operate their accounts cheaply? </tinfoil hat>
EDIT: In the always easy to understand words of Akita T:
Originally by: Akita T
No matter what they do, somebody whines.
*tinfoil hattery is almost as silly as Euro whines.
Seen alot of these posts here saying the EU players wont campaign for a price change if the conversion means that we pay cheaper but thats fairly obvious, we wont campaign for to lose more money nor would the US players want to pay more but the point is i would expect CCP to change both sides equally so if at some point we do pay less by 25% then change it equally.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:53:00 -
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Hellspawn666 ur right there dude u have pretty much hit what ive been trying to say from the beginning sadly this has turned into a US against the world thread so i think A dev should close it.
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Sicariidae
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:55:00 -
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Why? Because they are a "For Profit Company" and they can charge what ever they want. It's thier decision to do so, and it's people decision to pay or not.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:02:00 -
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Hmm.
Well I can see this from both sides. What we're basically seeing is the European players subsidizing the americans. People who ask 'why do you care, all you would get is US players paying more, which doesn't help you in any way'. Actually, if the US players paid more, it would help us. More revenue means more ability for CCP to hire devs or buy shiny new toys that make the servers lag less. Stuff that affects me
On the other hand, we might as well get used to subsidizing the US, with the policies they've been following in the past few years they'll be a third world country soon enough if they continue on the same path.
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Ion Knight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:04:00 -
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Yes many ppl have said that but it doesn't mean that its right Sicariidae. We were simply pointing out the fact that as Europeans we are getting a worse deal simple (maybe its down to eve trying to cover there US costs who knows). However its also out decision to ask questions Sicariidae.
Anyway everyone knows that even if they did change the prices none of us would leave as we didnt join this game cause of the cheap sub (cause it just isnt cheap).
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: IonKnight on 26/05/2008 13:08:50 Edited by: IonKnight on 26/05/2008 13:08:25 Another person thinking objectively "Hmm.
Well I can see this from both sides. What we're basically seeing is the European players subsidizing the americans. People who ask 'why do you care, all you would get is US players paying more, which doesn't help you in any way'. Actually, if the US players paid more, it would help us. More revenue means more ability for CCP to hire devs or buy shiny new toys that make the servers lag less. Stuff that affects me
On the other hand, we might as well get used to subsidizing the US, with the policies they've been following in the past few years they'll be a third world country soon enough if they continue on the same path."
He has a point there but then again most of it has been said already. However i see a horde of post coming up saying more US vs the world crap. As i said this is a discussion not a non US bashing thread.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Salas Edited by: Alex Salas on 26/05/2008 00:13:51
Originally by: IonKnight It just seems crazy when im paying more for a thing that doesnt cost that much even with tax.
I am not referring to just taxes. Businesses by law have to extend sweeter benefits to its European employees when compared to the US.
Benefits cost money and CCP will have to recoup it somehow vis-a-vis charging more.
Nope, the expenses of CCP have nothing to do with their customers. Even if they had 500k Romanian subscribers, that does not mean they even need 1 employee that has to abide by Romanian wage/labour laws. CCPs costs are dependent on Icelandic and probably British laws (considering the servers are in London). If it were more expensive for CCP to have a EU customer than a US customer (aside from the VAT) then you'd have a point, but with an MMO that is not the case.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Salas
3. Assuming the dollar strengthens I doubt you will champion that the US customers should pay less.
It depends. For temporary and small fluctuations it benefits noone to move prices up and down each month. But if we had a sustained development, then yes I would expect prices to react, eventually. There will probably be a point at which CCP cannot afford to keep the current 1-1 USD-Euro ratio. What would happen if it gets to a point where its 5 USD to 1 Euro? Would you expect CCP to maintain equal pricing if it meant that effectively US players would pay 3 euro, and EU players paid 15?
One saving grace at the moment might be that CCP went into a partnership with WW and is developing a game in Atlanta. That means they actually have a use for USD at the moment, which makes it less of a problem if they don't adjust pricing.
Of course the biggest potential problem is Iceland going broke if their banking sector crashes, but that is a whole different issue
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:22:00 -
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Thanks Malachon Draco for spelling it out to these ppl. This is a digital product it costs no more to ship it to american as it does anywhere else. Mind u something i didnt know is the servers are in UK (damm CPP change countries that must be costing u a bomb with there exchange rate).
So people if u dont understand the European Tax system don't posts comments on it. This thread was created for discussion on why it costs so much more nothing more nothing less
Anyway i say each person should go watch this link and laugh :D http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lj9Zmir79bs
From your friendly neightbour pirate
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Sweet Laylah
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:41:00 -
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LOL sux tbu op.
Us aussies have it good, we are billed in US dollars which varies daily according to the exchange rate set by our banks.
As the US dollar falls against the aussie dollar eve just keeps getting cheaper .. significantly cheaper.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:42:00 -
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Hehe damm u aussies :D
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Tellenta
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Laylah LOL sux tbu op.
Us aussies have it good, we are billed in US dollars which varies daily according to the exchange rate set by our banks.
As the US dollar falls against the aussie dollar eve just keeps getting cheaper .. significantly cheaper.
Die US dollar die!!
I demand you pay more!!!! Thats what the thread is about right? Making people in other countries pay more for their subscriptions? Or this is a thread on why you should emmigrate to Australia. I like this thread to be honest it has brought out some silly people.
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:56:00 -
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Wow another idiot called Tellenta if u actually read this whole thread instead of just reading like one section u would understand that ur comments were very idiotic
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:07:00 -
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Here's a nice ingame example, true story too.
I had a manufacturing run finish up this morning and I just dropped it off at a couple of my favorite retail locations. Being a clever little weasel, I build in an area that's close to about 4 regional borders -- I'm literally an international businessman in this game.
I'm selling that product at a 50% markup over mineral cost in Region A, but at about a 25% markup in Region B -- three jumps away. Three jumps. Exact same product. In Region A my sale price is one of the lowest in the region but in Region B I'm cutting pretty close to the point where I'd have to fly way out into the sticks to get a better price and it would probably take me forever to sell out of that stock.
Is that fair? Hell no it's not. But that's what the market is telling me I can get away with doing, so I'm sure as hell doing it. Is the Eve economy a complex, accurate simulation of the real economy? Nope. But the principle is roughly the same here inasmuch as people will sell **** to other people for what they can get for it. I'm sure if CCP thought they could claw 20 bones/ month out of multiple busloads of Americans they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Why won't a lot of us pay that much? Same reason the people in Region B won't pay me as much for my crappy module as the people in Region A will: because for whatever reason we don't have to. If CCP won't sell us our MMO grind for $15 somebody else will. Hell, if this gets too expensive for me I'll just go back to playing shooters... for $0/ month.
Again, it's not fair, it's global capitalism. Those two concepts are mutually exclusive so stop asking about it. ___________________________________________
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Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Alex Salas Edited by: Alex Salas on 26/05/2008 00:13:51
Originally by: IonKnight It just seems crazy when im paying more for a thing that doesnt cost that much even with tax.
I am not referring to just taxes. Businesses by law have to extend sweeter benefits to its European employees when compared to the US.
Benefits cost money and CCP will have to recoup it somehow vis-a-vis charging more.
Nope, the expenses of CCP have nothing to do with their customers. Even if they had 500k Romanian subscribers, that does not mean they even need 1 employee that has to abide by Romanian wage/labour laws. CCPs costs are dependent on Icelandic and probably British laws (considering the servers are in London). If it were more expensive for CCP to have a EU customer than a US customer (aside from the VAT) then you'd have a point, but with an MMO that is not the case.
The direct costs to develop EVE are the most part fixed. By your logic wages, benefits, compliance and the rest of overhead expense are the same? Try telling that to a car wielder in Detroit, Michigan USA who has had their jobs outsourced to China. Or if you are from Europe why does job creation seem to happen more in the Eastern part as opposed to the West. Your argument does not hold water Malachon.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose Here's a nice ingame example, true story too.
I had a manufacturing run finish up this morning and I just dropped it off at a couple of my favorite retail locations. Being a clever little weasel, I build in an area that's close to about 4 regional borders -- I'm literally an international businessman in this game.
I'm selling that product at a 50% markup over mineral cost in Region A, but at about a 25% markup in Region B -- three jumps away. Three jumps. Exact same product. In Region A my sale price is one of the lowest in the region but in Region B I'm cutting pretty close to the point where I'd have to fly way out into the sticks to get a better price and it would probably take me forever to sell out of that stock.
Is that fair? Hell no it's not. But that's what the market is telling me I can get away with doing, so I'm sure as hell doing it. Is the Eve economy a complex, accurate simulation of the real economy? Nope. But the principle is roughly the same here inasmuch as people will sell **** to other people for what they can get for it. I'm sure if CCP thought they could claw 20 bones/ month out of multiple busloads of Americans they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Why won't a lot of us pay that much? Same reason the people in Region B won't pay me as much for my crappy module as the people in Region A will: because for whatever reason we don't have to. If CCP won't sell us our MMO grind for $15 somebody else will. Hell, if this gets too expensive for me I'll just go back to playing shooters... for $0/ month.
Again, it's not fair, it's global capitalism. Those two concepts are mutually exclusive so stop asking about it.
What you're doing is very natural, but it also depends on certain circumstances. One of them is the availability of information, secondly is transport costs, thirdly is the question of whether its a 'repeat buy' or a 'one time buy'. All of these make it possible and worthwhile for you to do what you do.
Availability of information, if everyone could check prices all over Eve instead of just 1 region, you would have less profit from differentiating pricing.
Transport costs, if it were free/instant to get stuff from other regions instead of a hassle of moving stuff across the galaxy, you would have less profit.
Repeat buy vs one time buy, if you were dealing with say T2 producers buying large amounts of components every week, you would be less able to differentiate price than with goods that people only buy once or only buy irregularly.
Now if you take all these 3 things into account with the price of Eve, none of them apply. Information on pricing is readily available. Transport costs are zero. And its a subscription, so the repeat buy is also pretty evident I think.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Salas
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Nope, the expenses of CCP have nothing to do with their customers. Even if they had 500k Romanian subscribers, that does not mean they even need 1 employee that has to abide by Romanian wage/labour laws. CCPs costs are dependent on Icelandic and probably British laws (considering the servers are in London). If it were more expensive for CCP to have a EU customer than a US customer (aside from the VAT) then you'd have a point, but with an MMO that is not the case.
The direct costs to develop EVE are the most part fixed. By your logic wages, benefits, compliance and the rest of overhead expense are the same? Try telling that to a car wielder in Detroit, Michigan USA who has had their jobs outsourced to China. Or if you are from Europe why does job creation seem to happen more in the Eastern part as opposed to the West. Your argument does not hold water Malachon.
You are misinterpreting me. CCPs costs are fixed in the sense that if they had 500k Romanian subscribers, their costs would be identical to having 500k US subscribers.
Their costs are not dependent on the kind of customers under their current business model. Of course, if CCP outsourced Eve to China, their costs would change/drop. But they would still be completely independent from whether their subscribers were Romanian or American.
As such, there is no benefit for them to charge US customers less.
This is different from for example McDonalds. A McDonalds store in Romania has a different cost per unit sold than a McDonalds shop in New York. Wages are different, wage taxes are different, real estate cost is different etc etc. Therefore, price will be different.
But that is a very different business model from an MMO.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:22:00 -
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Since I'm sick and feeling particularly belligerent and tired of stupid **** today, STFU about subscription prices, Euros. I'm absolutely sick of your "if other people have it better than me in any regard, then they should be screwed over to be on the same level" attitude. It's just like U.S. fuel prices - they're going up and many U.S. families are having trouble making ends meet as a result, and all you idiots can say is "HA! That's how it should've been all along!"
FFS, stop being so selfish.
P.S. I also don't agree that we're actually getting a better deal - we're getting the SAME deal that we always have. Moreover, I didn't see U.S. customers complaining back when the dollar was stronger than the Euro and we were "paying more".
P.P.S. Please note that this is directed solely at the too-stupid-to-live Euros who insist are scattering their idiocy all over the forums about these issues, not Euros in general. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Aki Corrino
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:33:00 -
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The reason why they pay less is the US is becoming a 3rd world country, its a form of humanitarian aid
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Quelque Chose on 26/05/2008 14:36:53
Originally by: Malachon Draco Now if you take all these 3 things into account with the price of Eve, none of them apply. Information on pricing is readily available. Transport costs are zero. And its a subscription, so the repeat buy is also pretty evident I think.
I'm not saying it's a perfect example, but just to spar with you here:
1. Pricing information. Knowing the price of something isn't worth much if you don't have access to the different prices... which is precisely where the griping is coming from here. Europeans know Eve is available for less elsewhere in the world, but that's kind of useless to them if CCP won't sell it to them locally at that price. Meanwhile the Region A folks almost certainly know that stuff is expensive where they live (how the hell could they not? lol) but they'll still pay the premium rather than make 3 - 6 jumps for a bargain. Ironically this compares well to Region C, where stuff is so absolutely outrageously priced that nobody buys anything but necessities there and if they need other things they'll travel up to 12 jumps one way to buy them in Region B or Region D. True fact and amusing as well -- but it's a digression because these people have options that our Euros just don't at the moment.
2. Transport costs. In my case it's three jumps (or six round trip), which is something I'm willing to call negligible. I certainly don't have to pay fuel for it, nor is there any difference in regional tax rates.
3. Repeat use. Just so happens that the item in question (and I know I'm being vague, sorry but I value a certain amount of anonymity) is more commonly used for PvP than for PvE, so I'd imagine the turnover rate is pretty good there. It's also a T1 item with a high T2 skill requirement so I'd guess that a certain amount of it is simply discarded when the skills get trained. Either way, yeah, it's not as much turnover as a subscription service but neither is it as low as you'd see with, for instance, Hulks.
And anyway, all that stuff is ultimately built into the market conditions before you ever click "Sell." And it's the same thing here: CCP will get what it thinks it can get out of any market it sells to. ___________________________________________
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/05/2008 14:42:40
Originally by: Malachon Draco Actually, I think that the US dollar has been below the Euro pretty much since the start of Eve
Anyone have hard data on this? I seem to recall that the U.S. had an advantage up through some point in 2005.
Quote: Your comment about 'FFS, stop being so selfish' made me chuckle to be honest, coming from (I assume) an American
Ah, and here comes the ignorant America-bashing again. There are a lot of stereotypes about the ignorant attidues our rednecks are said to have (sometimes true, sometimes not), but, here, you display it to a level well beyond the redneck stereotype.
We're not perfect, and, in fact, I have major issues with our current government, but you're displaying a stunning level of ignorance and intolerance that would shock me if I hadn't learned a long time ago to always expect the worst from humanity.
EDIT: Lots of typos because my fingers won't obey what I tell them to do when I'm sick. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis
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Originally by: Random Womble Im curious how US players would feel about say subsidising someone elses hobby because thats effectively what european players are doing subsidising the US players. I mean would you be happy if you were expected to pay for a portion of someone elses computer for example or if you had say a sport you played and had to pay for a portion of someone elses equipment because im fairly sure you would object.
I am not saying its right Random but the US market has clout. We are an essential component to CCP's top line. If CCP can not give us an MMO for $15/month someone else can. See what happens to content then.
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