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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 23:46:00 -
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Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
The ship: the caldair bomber: the manticore The fit:
HIGH 1 T2 cloak 3 either T1 or T2 cruise launcers*
MED 3 best named or T2 sensor boosters 1 PAWNAGE painter
LOW 2 BCU T2/1BCU T2 i istab depending on skills
*the bomber relies on alpha strikes to kill, you only attack if you can kill it with the first shoot and named launchers only add dps not alpha
Tactics:
DONT STAY STILL AND DONT UNCLOAK!! sit outside a good busy station/gatecamp/stationary bubble and pop every frig/shuttle/indy that you see.
the order of things is this:
1) warp in and cloak at about 20-40km(inportant) 2) wait 3) wait 4) wait some more 5) target warp in (targets are only all kind of frigs and indys, including T2 frigs) 6) uncloak and activate all mods, sensorboosters, painter and missiles in that oreder 7) lock the target and as soon as your missiles are away you hit cloak. this is where the distance get into the picture. depending on your missile skills you can uncloak, lock and fire and then cloak again in less than two seconds. there is no way for the target to react before 3 very high damage cruise missiles turn him to space dust. and if you keep close enough so the missiles only need to move 2,5 seconds to the target they will still hit even if you cloak.
this is the most exiteing kind of pvp you can find in eve...it got the fealing of being a WW2 submarine captain, stalking your prey...and it only get better when your ex-target call in his friends to try and find you. the odds is that you will die but you will have the most fun you have ever had doing it!
Cost of ship:10 mil Cost of equipment:15-20 mil Cost of ammo: 2 mil(faction and T2) Cost of seeing that poly rigged crow that just warped in to dock all relaxed and safe turn into space dust: PRICLESS!! Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 23:46:00 -
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Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
The ship: the caldair bomber: the manticore The fit:
HIGH 1 T2 cloak 3 either T1 or T2 cruise launcers*
MED 3 best named or T2 sensor boosters 1 PAWNAGE painter
LOW 2 BCU T2/1BCU T2 i istab depending on skills
*the bomber relies on alpha strikes to kill, you only attack if you can kill it with the first shoot and named launchers only add dps not alpha
Tactics:
DONT STAY STILL AND DONT UNCLOAK!! sit outside a good busy station/gatecamp/stationary bubble and pop every frig/shuttle/indy that you see.
the order of things is this:
1) warp in and cloak at about 20-40km(inportant) 2) wait 3) wait 4) wait some more 5) target warp in (targets are only all kind of frigs and indys, including T2 frigs) 6) uncloak and activate all mods, sensorboosters, painter and missiles in that oreder 7) lock the target and as soon as your missiles are away you hit cloak. this is where the distance get into the picture. depending on your missile skills you can uncloak, lock and fire and then cloak again in less than two seconds. there is no way for the target to react before 3 very high damage cruise missiles turn him to space dust. and if you keep close enough so the missiles only need to move 2,5 seconds to the target they will still hit even if you cloak.
this is the most exiteing kind of pvp you can find in eve...it got the fealing of being a WW2 submarine captain, stalking your prey...and it only get better when your ex-target call in his friends to try and find you. the odds is that you will die but you will have the most fun you have ever had doing it!
Cost of ship:10 mil Cost of equipment:15-20 mil Cost of ammo: 2 mil(faction and T2) Cost of seeing that poly rigged crow that just warped in to dock all relaxed and safe turn into space dust: PRICLESS!! Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 00:59:00 -
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A target painter is useless on a stealth bomber.
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Xanos Blackpaw on 27/05/2008 01:13:23
Originally by: Hannobaal A target painter is useless on a stealth bomber.
so did i think to...but it can be the diffrence between a heavly damaged taranis and spacedust... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
RedeyeAce
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:44:00 -
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or passive target, sit at extreme distance, lob the cruises in and b4 they hit, use the painter...
just another option...
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:49:00 -
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missiles do no damage if you cloak immediately, unless this has changed. -------------
fixed for greater eve content |
Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas missiles do no damage if you cloak immediately, unless this has changed.
if you read what i wrote i did adress this problem...they actuly do damage if they hit within 2.5 seconds after you hit cloak, thats why the range i mentioned was important. Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Arvald
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:18:00 -
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that setup is realy only good in gangs or with a tackler as anything biger than a frigate will just run after the first volley so heres what ive been using.
just keep in mind before i post these that they are very very personalized setups that took nearly a full year of tweaking and learning the tactics to use them but they may be of some help to you
im going to post for the 3 stealth bombers i use
[Purifier, solo] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I
this one is made mostly for sitting on 0.0 gates and waiting for ships like industrials and *some* cruisers, they will also *****any interceptor/interdictor if you can sneak within web range (which in my expernce if you get on the gate before them and they try to camp it, is very very easy to do)
[Manticore, solo pvp] Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Warp Disruptor II Low Frequency Sensor Suppressor I, Scan Resolution Dampening Low Frequency Sensor Suppressor I, Scan Resolution Dampening Prototype I Sensor Booster, Targeting Speed
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
this right here is waht i prefer for camping asteroid belts/stations with war targets in them, the dps is a bit lower than the purifier but the damps give you an OH **** button incase you have to gtfo quickly, not very good at taking out interceptors but can very easly get cruisers if they are fit for longer ranges (dont even try engageing a thorax you will die unless the pilot is a complete noob)
[Nemesis, pvp] Ballistic Control System II F-90 Positional Signal Amplifier
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Scan Resolution Dampening
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
and this is my gang warfare baby, decent dps very very good lock time (good for taking out pods and other smaller ships) and with the missile velocity rigs you will be sure to get in on the km, just be sure to switch the scripts as needed
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald stuff
well you are correct that your last fit is better in gangs but mine was for attacking lone frigs/haulers that think they are safe. in gangs your last fit is clearly better, mine is simply made to strike as fast and as hard and then disapear before anyone figure out what happened.
it might just be me up i think the two first fits is sucide. tackling with a SB is just a way to beg to be popped, if you are solo and cant kill it with the first shoot you enither done uncloak or if you though you could pop it and it dont die at once you simply stay cloaked and move out of the way unless you KNOW you can pop it on the second shoot(some indys is in this category) and in gangs you should have someone else doing the tackling... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Arvald
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: Arvald stuff
well you are correct that your last fit is better in gangs but mine was for attacking lone frigs/haulers that think they are safe. in gangs your last fit is clearly better, mine is simply made to strike as fast and as hard and then disapear before anyone figure out what happened.
it might just be me up i think the two first fits is sucide. tackling with a SB is just a way to beg to be popped, if you are solo and cant kill it with the first shoot you enither done uncloak or if you though you could pop it and it dont die at once you simply stay cloaked and move out of the way unless you KNOW you can pop it on the second shoot(some indys is in this category) and in gangs you should have someone else doing the tackling...
yes you would think that tackling with a stealth bomber is suicide, but like i said nearly a year of learnign specialized tactics so maby its just me
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:29:00 -
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You might be lucky...anyway you say you killed cruisers with it?
...what kind of cruiser dont pop a SB in less than 3 seconds? i guess if the pilot panik when the shield just go away at the first salvo... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Arvald
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw You might be lucky...anyway you say you killed cruisers with it?
...what kind of cruiser dont pop a SB in less than 3 seconds? i guess if the pilot panik when the shield just go away at the first salvo...
shock and awe
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw You might be lucky...anyway you say you killed cruisers with it?
...what kind of cruiser dont pop a SB in less than 3 seconds? i guess if the pilot panik when the shield just go away at the first salvo...
shock and awe
yeah untill he actuly LOOK what attacked him and instapop the wet paper towel you was flying... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Humble Epidemic
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:40:00 -
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2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher 2 x 125mm Railgun II 1 x Covert Ops Cloaking Devise II 1 x Webifier 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Auto Targeting System I 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core 1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
this is my setup... use it or dont... idc
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Humble Epidemic 2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher 2 x 125mm Railgun II 1 x Covert Ops Cloaking Devise II 1 x Webifier 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Auto Targeting System I 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core 1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
this is my setup... use it or dont... idc
...look like you are trying to fly a untanked cloaking merlin... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Humble Epidemic
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: Humble Epidemic 2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher 2 x 125mm Railgun II 1 x Covert Ops Cloaking Devise II 1 x Webifier 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Auto Targeting System I 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core 1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
this is my setup... use it or dont... idc
...look like you are trying to fly a untanked cloaking merlin...
nahh.. nemesis... and i enjoy this setup.. good ambush tactics with large group
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Captain Falcord
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:26:00 -
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Guys, you don't seem to mention the Hound.
I'm aiming for that ship. Is it as good as the rest? IMO it is the best looking one :P
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Falcord Guys, you don't seem to mention the Hound.
I'm aiming for that ship. Is it as good as the rest? IMO it is the best looking one :P
the hound is indeed the best looking ship and i do fly that one if i fly in a gang. problem for me is that it only got 3 midslots, thats to little for me to get the targeting speed and the painter i need to make my setup work well. besides...explo isnt the best damagetype when you need to kill something fast, shields got to high base resists for it.
but for gangs its a good ship, fir it with 2 sensorboosters, a painter, 2 gyros and a T2 OD so you can make use of its extra speed... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
pandymen
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:30:00 -
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Once again, the painter does absolutely nothing on a bomber.
1. A target painter only affects the sig radius of a ship. Therefore, the only stat of your missile you need be concerned with is explosion radius.
2. The explosion radius of your missiles on a stealth bomber with lvl IV in guided missile precision is often smaller than the sig radius of an intie. Hence, you do not need to have a painter at all.
3. Inties will usually get away from you because they fly fast. A painter does not help with this at all.
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Xanos Blackpaw
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: pandymen Once again, the painter does absolutely nothing on a bomber.
1. A target painter only affects the sig radius of a ship. Therefore, the only stat of your missile you need be concerned with is explosion radius.
2. The explosion radius of your missiles on a stealth bomber with lvl IV in guided missile precision is often smaller than the sig radius of an intie. Hence, you do not need to have a painter at all.
3. Inties will usually get away from you because they fly fast. A painter does not help with this at all.
while that is true on NORMAL missiles if i'm not compleatly wrong rage missiles will hit with full damage on a inty if you use a painter. Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
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MalVortex
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: MalVortex on 28/05/2008 00:18:39 1) Fury Cruise are worse in a multitude of ways compared to Faction Cruise, but don't have even 1 more point of damage to make up for it. Their damage is the same. 2) Painters on a bomber are pointless. The targets speed will reduce more damage than your signature resolution even in worst-case scenarios. Even better, if signature resolution is the limiting factor, they're not moving fast, you get to shoot them again. 3) There is a 5 second reactivation delay on a Imp Cloak II on a SB. You cannot reactivate it immediately. Even if you could, you would fail to cloak due to being within 2km of your missiles. 4) Finally, Hound is amongst the best of the stealth bombers - if you know what your doing. /ominous
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:19:00 -
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Purifier with a 400mm RT. No one see's that 2k of armor coming. Can pop T1 frigs under sentry fire. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Arvald
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty Purifier with a 400mm RT. No one see's that 2k of armor coming. Can pop T1 frigs under sentry fire.
...hmm ill have to toy around with that idea, thanks
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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