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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
90
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:40:00 -
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Well we have another year of shenanigans, ego and misinformation - otherwise known as CSM elections.
Many people obviously don't vote.. A large percentage of those are empire dwellers, many industrialists. Over the past few weeks having spoken to people and one only has to read the forums, you can conclude most indy players who aren't voting do that because they figure it won't matter anyhow.
This year should be different for industrialists. Many of the 0.0 candidates are block candidiates, but not so for people speaking up for industry.
If you're finding it difficult to select a candidate for industry concerns -
1. Seleene is probably a forerunner for industrial concerns currently - he has on many occasions professed a view that industry requires an expansion now. It has been promised by CCP for a long time and now is the time for it. He has led PVP alliances and understands the relationship between industry and PVP well.
2. Hans Jagerblitzen is also a good indy protagonist.
3. Two Step for wormholes - this guy has a good understanding of wormholes, wormhole industry and PVP both.
4. Trebor to a slightly lesser degree for industry AND wormholes - as a past CSM chair has a GREAT understanding of CCP and the place and role CSM plays.
While there are many other worthy candidates running, selecting these 4 people will ensure a strong industry CSM with experience and motivation.
Development of industry means development of PVP. If you change industry, you change the market, if market changes, pvp changes. Getting these industrial issues fixed finally will help streamline the systems behind peoples' ships being created - thereby making them cheaper by defacto.
More industrialists would join the market creating more diversity of markets and competition.
All of this drives prices down.
Removal of botters would create a void to allow more industrial people into the market. This will create more competition and allow those people to earn decent isk in the game at the same time.
None of this can be bad for PVPers in general.
Make sure you vote, and vote for a candidate that isn't selling you a lemon.
Please, give a bump so more ppl can read. My EVE YouTube Channel |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1061
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:43:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Well we have another year of shenanigans, ego and misinformation - otherwise known as CSM elections.
Many people obviously don't vote.. A large percentage of those are empire dwellers, many industrialists. Over the past few weeks having spoken to people and one only has to read the forums, you can conclude most indy players who aren't voting do that because they figure it won't matter anyhow.
This year should be different for industrialists. Many of the 0.0 candidates are block candidiates, but not so for people speaking up for industry.
If you're finding it difficult to select a candidate for industry concerns -
1. Seleene is probably a forerunner for industrial concerns currently - he has on many occasions professed a view that industry requires an expansion now. It has been promised by CCP for a long time and now is the time for it. He has led PVP alliances and understands the relationship between industry and PVP well.
2. Hans Jagerblitzen is also a good indy protagonist.
3. Two Step for wormholes - this guy has a good understanding of wormholes, wormhole industry and PVP both.
4. Trebor to a slightly lesser degree for industry AND wormholes - as a past CSM chair has a GREAT understanding of CCP and the place and role CSM plays.
While there are many other worthy candidates running, selecting these 4 people will ensure a strong industry CSM with experience and motivation.
Development of industry means development of PVP. If you change industry, you change the market, if market changes, pvp changes. Getting these industrial issues fixed finally will help streamline the systems behind peoples' ships being created - thereby making them cheaper by defacto.
More industrialists would join the market creating more diversity of markets and competition.
All of this drives prices down.
Removal of botters would create a void to allow more industrial people into the market. This will create more competition and allow those people to earn decent isk in the game at the same time.
None of this can be bad for PVPers in general.
Make sure you vote, and vote for a candidate that isn't selling you a lemon.
Please, give a bump so more ppl can read.
Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.
So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.
Issler Dainze Eight years of industry in Eve!
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:57:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.
So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.
Issler Dainze Eight years of industry in Eve!
Which is it? I'm an Alt or in someone's pocket?
I've been following the CSM elections quite closely this year and found many capable candidates.
To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.
Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.
Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.
Not the CSM candidate I am after - Not to argue of course! My EVE YouTube Channel |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
169
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:58:00 -
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Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/
If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.
Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?
Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?
Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed
and new errors being introduced daily?
Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!
If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted
your vote on F A I L
Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!
Campaign Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0
If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN LIFE - ANYTHING WRITTEN BELOW IGNORE
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Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
202
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:14:00 -
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Read this analysis which shows that Psychobitch is a fringe candidate https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78067
Better to pick someone closer to the mainstream, someone that perhaps has discussed the economic knock on effects of many suggested changes, because for industrialists, the economy is everything, and the economy is broken in many ways. Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=458 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2569
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:32:00 -
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While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.
For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?" |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:49:00 -
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Well, while mittani has done a good job getting CCP's attention this CSM it is a little difficult to see a further role for him without getting in the way.
It is great when a group of people aren't all on the same page and there's chaos everywhere to have someone jump in, grab everyone and steer them in a direction.
However, once a direction is taken and everyone IS on the same page. That same person detracts from the fact that everyone has to have a say. All delegates in CSM7 while having CCP's ear need to be able to formulate a direction that's in everyone's best interests.
Mittani just isn't that guy.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
None ofthe Above
112
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.
For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"
Thank you for the reminder of why to vote for Hans Jagerblitzen, or basically anyone but Mittens.
With the CSM being more influential it is more important than ever to get out there and vote people. Look at the candidates and decide who best represents you!
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
LXTC-S Predator
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:53:00 -
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If you want someone who represents the industrial side of eve, vote for Psychobitch. Veteran from the EvE Beta phase, and I do not think there is anyone else in EvE who has as much experience with the industry side as PsychoBitch. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:56:00 -
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Nullsec industrialist, voted Mittani. |
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Heathkit
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:59:00 -
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The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists.
1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce. 2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible. 3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules.
Make your vote count. Vote Mittani |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1064
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:09:00 -
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Heathkit wrote:The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists. 1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce. 2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible. 3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules. Make your vote count. Vote Mittani
Not sure how voting for someone that is sure to be elected makes your vote count, but that's not why I posted.
So Heathkit, interesting name, wondering if you ever built a heathkit? My dad was an electrical engineer and got me several of them when I growing up. A lot of fun!
Issler
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Karl Hobb
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:17:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.
Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.
Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum. Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously. I'm ******* terrible at EVE. |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
6
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:18:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
stuff
Issler Dainze Eight years of industry in Eve!
Look Issler, Its great that you want to promote industry in Eve. But you've spent the entire campaign period failing to deal with trolls effectively and trying to promote the same old tired "Hi Sec above All Else" agenda you've been pushing for years.
That's why you're not on my list of people to vote for and why I'm voting for Seleene.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:22:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.
Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.
Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum. Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously.
I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.
So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?
Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:29:00 -
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LXTC-S Predator wrote:If you want someone who represents the industrial side of eve, vote for Psychobitch. Veteran from the EvE Beta phase, and I do not think there is anyone else in EvE who has as much experience with the industry side as PsychoBitch.
I'd be happy to compare EVE resumes, as would a few others I'd imagine. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2569
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:30:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.
So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.
Issler Dainze Eight years of industry in Eve!
million miner march lawl |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:30:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.
Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.
Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum. Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously. I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of. So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning? Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.
He was agreeing with you bro. |
Karl Hobb
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:32:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.
So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?
Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared. lol, should have included more quote, I was talking about Issler. Forum fail. I'm ******* terrible at EVE. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:35:00 -
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LOL well I WAS being self-righteous - and rightly so - so it was a little hard to tell who he was talking about ;)
My EVE YouTube Channel |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2325
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:44:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.
For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"
~guidance systems~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:53:00 -
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I think it is very suspect for someone to open a post on who to vote for in the industrial side and leave out good candidates or for that matter any industrial candidate.
All a post like this will do is cause more fracturing in the voting of the industrialists. This will then give the 0.0 power blocks a better chance of once again gaining control of the CSM.
TBH this would be an excellent tactic for the 0.0 guys, get an alt to create a post like this and then wait for the inevitable response from the candidates who where left out, then slag them off and make them look like a bunch of crazies. It would be a more subtle attack than the usual Goon hate mail.
So either Issler was right and you are a Alt of someones, or you created a post with your preferred candidates in it but are inadvertently helping the Goons to win.
So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.
Frying Doom |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:59:00 -
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Or Issler is just a **** candidate.
Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously? |
Karl Hobb
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:59:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM. I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council". I'm ******* terrible at EVE. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I think it is very suspect for someone to open a post on who to vote for in the industrial side and leave out good candidates or for that matter any industrial candidate.
All a post like this will do is cause more fracturing in the voting of the industrialists. This will then give the 0.0 power blocks a better chance of once again gaining control of the CSM.
TBH this would be an excellent tactic for the 0.0 guys, get an alt to create a post like this and then wait for the inevitable response from the candidates who where left out, then slag them off and make them look like a bunch of crazies. It would be a more subtle attack than the usual Goon hate mail.
So either Issler was right and you are a Alt of someones, or you created a post with your preferred candidates in it but are inadvertently helping the Goons to win.
So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.
Frying Doom
While this IS true. As an industry player, it's in my best interests to serve that particular advocate's role.
In other words, having people read through many different candidates and dispersing their votes among the 20 or so candidates would "waste votes"* when those same people are up against bloc candidates who will foster votes merely from their alliances/blocs.
It could if done "just so" mean NOONE got in to speak on behalf of industry/empire etc. So me as a discerning voter is educating people from that point of view - the discerning voter and I think it is of benefit as the candidates are already there for all to see and read about equally. If they want an equal view of all candidates they only have to read the threads the candidates themselves put up.
*For want of a better term - I hate that term because it implies voting for someone or something you believe in is a waste - which it is not. My EVE YouTube Channel |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:04:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM. I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council".
Sorry a good industrial candidate blows things up? You do play EVE right? What do industrialists blow up? |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
91
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:05:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM. I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council". Sorry a good industrial candidate blows things up? You do play EVE right? What do industrialists blow up?
Hey I blow **** up but I consider myself an industrialst at heart ;)
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Heathkit
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:18:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Heathkit wrote:The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists. 1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce. 2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible. 3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules. Make your vote count. Vote Mittani Not sure how voting for someone that is sure to be elected makes your vote count, but that's not why I posted. So Heathkit, interesting name, wondering if you ever built a heathkit? My dad was an electrical engineer and got me several of them when I growing up. A lot of fun! Issler
Although they try to differentiate themselves, all of the candidates focused on Flying in Space want the same things - the needs there are clear. For the undecideds out there, all of the Proven Performer candidates have a solid base of support and will win reelection handily, while the candidates without a solid base stand very little chance of winning. So you can either throw your vote away on an unknown, or instead throw it away on someone who doesn't need it.
The Mittani needs your vote. To break through gridlock in the CSM, it's important that one member has a clear, overridding mandate. When you vote for Mittani, you join that chorus calling for a more dynamic Eve - more conflict, more drama, more destruction. As an industrialist, I love when Mittani calls for an invasion or an interdiction - I know it means my wallet will soon be blinking non-stop.
Also, that's really cool about the kits. Did you know they actually started doing kits again recently? I've built electronics kits, but never a Heathkit - I chose the name because the first computer I used was a Heathkit my dad built. I'm looking forward to buying Heathkits for my own children some day ;) |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1542
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:23:00 -
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While my main activity is PVP, I do have alts in empire doing T2 and T3 production. I own a couple of T2 BPOs which I bought with profits from when invention was released. Vote Two step for CSM7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:25:00 -
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Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning Trebor = industry + hisec leaning Issler = industry + space barbies
Seleene or Trebor, pick one. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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