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Project Untrust
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 14:16:10 So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, reading a bit of EVE stories, forums and etc, like many of us would do... I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact:
None of the NPC corps have a CEO or CFO or any other portraited staffs that is an Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei, and Vheroklor.
Amarr - 33 corps - Portraits of CEO and staffs consist of all races/bloodlines except the above mentioned 4 Caldari - 44 corps - same as above (**=same as above) Gallente - 31 corps - ** Minmatar - 21 corps - ** Jovian - 7 corps - ** Ammatar - 3 corps - ** Khanid Kingdom - 4 corps - ** Intaki Syndicate - 4 corps - ** Guristas - 2 corps - ** Serpentis - 2 corps - ** Angel Cartel - 4 corps - ** Blood Raider - 1 corp - ** InterBus - 1 corp - ** ORE - 1 corp - ** Concord - 4 corps - ** SOE - 3 corps - ** Society of Concious Thoughts - 1 corp - ** Mordu's Legion - 1 corp - ** Sansha's Nation - 2 corps - ** Thukker Tribe - 2 corps -**
That's ALL of the 171 npc corps in game, and you couldn't find one single Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei or Vheroklor among them.
Could this be coincidence? certainly not, not after 171 x # of the staffs chance with 0 hit. Could this be a random portrait generator's work and somehow someone in CCP forgot to 'program' these 4 racial portaits in it? I seriously doubt it, as if you pay attention on the CEOs/staff of certain corp, you'll realized their last name, race is closely chosen and associated with some of the stories from EVE Chronicles. This suggest CCP paid explicit attention in details about what they put out there, lore, stories are all well coordinated and described.
Which make this even more troubling... so does that mean the 'missing races' are intentional? and if it is intentional what is the purpose? If you compare Ammatar with Khanid Kingdom, the CEOs/staffs in Ammatar are consisted of Ammar and Minmatar(fits the lore), yet Khanid Kingdom corps have CEOs/staffs in every other race but Khanid(doesn't make much sense does it?) Same goes the corp 'Vheroklor' has no Vheroklor in them, and finally zero Jin-Mei in Gallentte corps.
Above are just examples that where these race should or suppose to be in Lore and in reality one will probably expect them in other less expected corps such as pirate corps. But no... they're non-existent in any npc corps at the moment.
I tried to find some sort of connection and similarity of these 4 bloodlines compare to other bloodlines. and there is none in-game.
Except their portraits draws reference from real world Asians(Mongoloid). Same as other bloodlines draws reference from Caucasoid and Negroid.
This makes perfect sense as the sentient beings in the story of EVE are human descendants(I mean they didn't just creat some random alien looking portrait..). And in real world Earth, human race are consist of 3 major groups (Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid), And so far CCP has done a very good job representing each group in EVE.
Until now.
Discuss.
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Lorna Loot
Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:17:00 -
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That's because they were made before the Asian bloodlines were introduced.
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Rheddin
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rheddin on 27/05/2008 14:18:31 wtf?
am I allowed to make a game that doesnt represent all of the made up races it features equally or is that racism?
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:19:00 -
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Aren't those all "bloodlines" races (or sub-races of the primary 4), and since they were created after the fact, the existing corporations wouldn't be changed to relflect their addition...... just my guess --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust I tried to find some sort of connection and similarity of these 4 bloodlines compare to other bloodlines. and there is none in-game.
Those 4 were introduced years after the game had started and the backstory had been created.
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:22:00 -
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OP fails.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216 San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:28:00 -
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lol would read again. Make more posts like this!
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Jastra
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 14:16:10 So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT,
now theres where you went wrong, you should have gone and had a lie down in a darkened room, or had some lunch, instead of worrying about the leaders of made up corporations in a game and whether there is a sinister plot ;)
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust And in real world Earth, human race are consist of 3 major groups (Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid), And so far CCP has done a very good job representing each group in EVE.
Ahahaha, funniest and craziest statement ever!
Though seriously, I think this topic deserves more thorough investigation.
What is the composition in races of the very top ranks (CPP Devs, GMS)? I believe we can find discrepancies here too indicating that something is rotten in New Eden!
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Cadela Fria
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:35:00 -
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If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rheddin Edited by: Rheddin on 27/05/2008 14:18:31 wtf?
am I allowed to make a game that doesnt represent all of the made up races it features equally or is that racism?
Is racism a bad thing when it comes to a made up race in a video game?
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Project Untrust
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:39:00 -
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Ok, so the backstory was created before they indroduce the 'Asian' race.
I didn't know that.
And I bet I am not the only one who doesn't know that.
And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target.
I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps.
I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust
I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
Well, the majority of these posters would be of your previously mentioned Mongoloid human race.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts.
You really want the people of Khanid to rise up in anger, don't you?
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R'ough
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust ... 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
Welcome to the forum
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:46:00 -
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I think we'd face soem problems with achura lolz. most ppl playing eve are already caldari and I think most of the ppl playing caldari, play achura as well xD
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:48:00 -
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I think you should keep the PC on the QT because FYI it's an MMORPG.
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 27/05/2008 14:49:20
Originally by: Project Untrust all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
Not at all, it's not for joining EVE late, it's a) for doing this 'research' and b) for jumping to conclusions after doing said 'research'.
For future 'research' and truly outrageous conclusions, might I suggest you research the character creation paths and see how many give you a black character?
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Cadela Fria
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 27/05/2008 14:53:38
Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Cadela Fria If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts.
You really want the people of Khanid to rise up in anger, don't you?
Yes, yes I do Khanid are an inferior people - Even genetically...the only reason they aren't enslaved like the pathetic Minmatar animals, is cause we don't need more slaves..yet anyway.
Those asian type people are, however, no better than the minmatar..weak underdeveloped creatures!. I think the caldari ones might even be of russian origin..or something, you know like the gallente are french. I don't know..has no bearing anyway.
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Taedrin
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust Ok, so the backstory was created before they indroduce the 'Asian' race.
I didn't know that.
And I bet I am not the only one who doesn't know that.
And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target.
I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps.
I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
I'd also be willing to bet that you didn't know: You used to be able to use cruiser missiles on a kestral You used to be able to fit and use multiple MWD's at once.
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Joshua Foiritain
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
People don't randomly change race hence updating doesnt make any sense.
Also, nobody but you cares, has cared or will care about this, ever.
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Project Untrust
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Edited by: Estel Arador on 27/05/2008 14:49:20
Originally by: Project Untrust all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
Not at all, it's not for joining EVE late, it's a) for doing this 'research' and b) for jumping to conclusions after doing said 'research'.
For future 'research' and truly outrageous conclusions, might I suggest you research the character creation paths and see how many give you a black character?
I made plenty of speculation, but i haven't jump to any conclusion as far as i am aware of.
And comparing my 'research' to some of the indepth investigation that people suggested isn't very fair imo.
my 'research' was a unintentional web browsing while killing time waiting to get back on EVE. I didn't set out to look for any 'hidden plots' i merely came across something obvious and pointed it out on forum, and got laugh at coz of some lore CCP failed to update in few year gap.
This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching.
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Joshua Foiritain
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching.
No they wont. Also, why do you even care what races the NPC corp agents are?
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Project Untrust
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Project Untrust I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, *points and laughs* you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
People don't randomly change race hence updating doesnt make any sense.
Also, nobody but you cares, has cared or will care about this, ever.
Oh nobody cares? so you mean ppl who replied here just got nothing better to do or say but up for an easy victim bashing, well that's obvious. Well thanks for caring enough to stop by and post tho.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:11:00 -
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Quote: None of the NPC corps have a CEO or CFO or any other portraited staffs that is an Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei, and Vheroklor.
GEE I WONDER WHY.
Those bloodlines were added later, long after the NPC corps had been set up. I say, leave it as is. Trying to exercise some sort of racial quota in a video game is just inanity, and I am extremely happy that we have shut out those odious and loathsome archura from all levels of government in the Caldari State!
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Project Untrust
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Project Untrust This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching.
No they wont. Also, why do you even care what races the NPC corp agents are?
Agents? are we even talking about the same thing? i was refering to CEOS/staffs under 'Backstory' and 'Organization', there're people who play the game for it's RP aspect and enjoys the lore(story)
Because if you don't what is EVE to you then? just bunch of ships shooting each other in a big black vacume space?
You might not care there're no Khanids in Khanid kingdom corps but if you fail to understand why some people might point it out, you shouldn't be even playing the game imo. All the resource of EVE, both in game and on site are wasted on ppl like you.
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copasetic sideways
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:22:00 -
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poasting in the tiny space that isn't occupied by the op and the dead horse he's still violently flogging...
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Captain Bringdown
Rage Against the Answering Machine
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust
Oh nobody cares? so you mean ppl who replied here just got nothing better to do or say but up for an easy victim bashing, well that's obvious. Well thanks for caring enough to stop by and post tho.
I believe this is the foundation of the EVE-O forums
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Project Untrust And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target.
I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps.
I'm sorry, but the fact that the new races have been out for the past 2 years and no-one else has mentioned it means that they don't care, or, they haven't been bored enough to check something as petty as this out
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
5pinDizzy
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/05/2008 16:06:15 This reminds of of all the politically correct tripe I've seen in real life, where things like shows are scared if their audiences aren't culturally diverse enough and they might be branded racists.
Everything that possibly involves an attendance of random members of the population has apparently got to have a reflective percentage of accuratetely dispersed ethnic diversity in their group based on the number ratios of the entire population.
Apparently if this doesn't happen its racist, never mind a chance that such and such a person who has such and such an ethnic origin decided to do/go somewhere else instead at the time etc...
To me it makes about as much sense as calling a coin racist if it keeps flipping heads mostly (by chance) instead of heads tails heads tails.
If anything I would call even bringing such a thing up as racist in my own way of thinking, as to highlight the differences between people rather then just accepting them all as human beings.
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