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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:19:00 -
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In the future we should look at ways to increase voter participation in the CSM election process. I believe its going to need a pop up on login that nags users for a week initially to make a vote, and then finally requires a vote (or abstain) in order to let people go into the game. The pop-up should link to a list of names of candidates and check box for the vote with a confirm button at the bottom of the page. Mouseover the candidate name should display a brief election message. Click on the candidate name should link to their website/thread whatever for detailed information of the campaign platform.
I realize this is going to lead to some incidence of voting randomly just to get past the pop-up - and to counter the advantage of being at the top of the list the candidates names will need to be randomized. I do believe that the advantage of involving more people in the process will offset the partial disadvantage of random votes however.
Therefore I propose CCP look at general means of increasing voter participation in the next election, and the specific solution of having an on-login pop-up to prompt users for their voting selection.
Is this something we should do?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:27:00 -
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While I'm all for more participation, I don't think we should do it through annoying the player until he votes just to get rid of it. Popups are generally perceived as annoying, especially when they force themselves on the player. I remember that I cried out in frustration due to the ingame popup with the "Join the Live dev chat in channel XXX now!" on it.
And then, even if people vote, that doesn't mean that they are engaged or even remotely interested in the CSM process. You can't force a horse to drink blahblah.
There are some non-intrusive ways to get people interested though.
How about making some movies along the way, in which we talk about the results we have accomplished? ---
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:29:00 -
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Idea ..
You want to post on the forums ... YOU HAVE TO VOTE
anyway .. i concur
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Kelsin
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:32:00 -
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Admittedly, catching people as they log in is probably best. But I'd love to see an in-game voting apparatus, to make the election engaging in an in-game way as well, and to spur discussion of the candidates and issues while actually logged in.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:41:00 -
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the problem with the current/last csm election was the inpropper presentation. it required to much time and effort for most players to make themselves a picture of the candidates.
i think the whole csm deal must have better ingame integration, and that upon clicking the vote-popup, people should see an ingame website with all candidates and what they stand for, in a propper easy to follow formatting. in the current election you had to visit the jita corner forum and then read each candidates threads or mini webpages.
all this information must be delivered in a much more compressed and streamlined format.
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steejans nix
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:10:00 -
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The way this CSM is percieved to have done during it's initial term of office is the only real way that voter turn out will increase.
It's an idea to put something on the log in page but I would be more comfortable with the first screen asking if you want to abstain or get taken to the candidate page, whoever's towards the top of list will not get so many just voting to be rid of it which would happen as you say just to be rid of it.
Think next time it will be more organised with forums space already in place etc so will already have a head start over this year.
Also say 2 weeks is too long, people were getting fed up with it all, 1 week is plenty long enough for voting.
So in effect I think apart from a few changes is the proccess itself in the main it is up to the council and what it does or not achieve that will be the major factor not only in you're chance to be re-elected but in the success of failure of the council as a whole. Am supporting but with reservations as to the way it could and should be done.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:26:00 -
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I hate mandatory voting, because it almost invariably results in people acting stupidly with their vote. Non-voters stay at home(as it were) because they don't care. You can't make them care just by making them vote, all you can do is get an uninformed opinion out of them. I'd rather have the uninformed not vote than vote, quite frankly. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Is this something we should do?
Looking at how to make the process work better each iteration? Absolutely. Forcing people to vote in some way, by nag screen, permission to post, something else? Never. Democracy relies on the freedom to ignore what is happening whether one likes that or not.
I've made a few posts on the subject in various places already, but my own view is that one of the main areas of fail in the recent election process was that of the failure to connect with players who do no have English as a first (or any) language. EVE is played by people around the world and even if around a third are presumed to speak some form of English as their first language (ie USA, UK, Aus, NZ, most of Canada, etc) it is presumptuous to force the other two thirds to interact in a single language not their own.
Whilst CCP have made the commercial choice to be English-language based for this website I see no reason why the CSM must also be so restrictive. CCP recognise that there are other languages 'out there' (eg "Community" tab at left) and so should the election process.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:06:00 -
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I generally agree, have some reservation about a "forced voting" though.
A way to vote in-game is clearly necessary for starters to increase participation. Popups might be another idea that could work unless they become too excessive.
Also a one-time redirection during login once voting started, which gets you from login screen directly to a "voting screen" and thereafter (once you clicked some button on that page) to character selection could work. Once you have voted or clicked the "skip" button, that should be it. (I strongly recommend an option to not vote at all.) It should be less annoying than recurring popups. Of course that screen should be available in multiple languages preferably, just like the client is. Should be doable as no wall of text would be required.
Finally I think with the nice opportunity that EVE-TV has to offer, a short video profile of each of the current CSM members could be another way to make the participation more popular. I mean many people are at least nosy enough to take a peek there and prolly remember it when next voting is up.(Relies more or less on CCP's stance towards this though.)
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth
Finally I think with the nice opportunity that EVE-TV has to offer, a short video profile of each of the current CSM members could be another way to make the participation more popular. I mean many people are at least nosy enough to take a peek there and prolly remember it when next voting is up.(Relies more or less on CCP's stance towards this though.)
thant sounds like a neat idea, tho sadly there is no eve-tv anymore.
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Pirc Balar
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Pirc Balar on 28/05/2008 18:14:17 Although I think the idea of increasing voter turn out is important, might there be room to let players develop ways of their own to increase turn out? Perhaps the current CSMs could share the ways they garnered support?
I for one think anyone interested in increasing the votes among new players would have their work cut out for themselves.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn [...] thant sounds like a neat idea, tho sadly there is no eve-tv anymore.
If CCP really wants it they can make us warp backwards... or was that the server by itself recently? So if they want to make that happen and promote CSM by one of the prolly most popular ways available, they will.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:16:00 -
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I see no value in increasing voter participation without also increasing voter awareness. An uninformed voter can simply be replaced by a random number generator.
I don't think a pop up saying "Vote for one of these guys before you log in!" is good. Instead, perhaps a link to the spotlighted "CSM candidate of the day" with a few hook phrases ("Care about EVE turning into cap-ships on line? Do something about it!") chosen by the candidate appearing beneath his profile picture in the link.
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Sunwillow Auryn
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:13:00 -
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I tentatively support this ... as a last resort.
What needs to happen though is better organisation of candidates and their platforms. A forum is not a good place to do this because all it takes is for a couple of candidates to have a (not necessarily issue related) conversation happen in their thread, and suddenly it has several pages, is always near the top of the list, and they get unfair exposure.
As to getting people to vote, you could try a 'not mandatory but irritating' method which has a 'wait screen' that can only be clicked past by going to the relevant pages, the time spent waiting increasing gradually (even 15 seconds can be terribly frustrating in today's ADD world).
My own preference would be for each candidate to have a short description of the issues most dear to their hearts which could appear on the log in screen(generated randomly), along with a caption such as, "Do you love these ideas? Would you quit before you saw these things in EVE? Have your say and vote at <link>"
So if you were totally anti-PvP and you saw a platform by a pro-PvPer you might get motivated to get off your behind and find out a candidate who better represents the direction which you would prefer CCP to take. And vice-versa of course.
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan I see no value in increasing voter participation without also increasing voter awareness. An uninformed voter can simply be replaced by a random number generator.
I don't think a pop up saying "Vote for one of these guys before you log in!" is good. Instead, perhaps a link to the spotlighted "CSM candidate of the day" with a few hook phrases ("Care about EVE turning into cap-ships on line? Do something about it!") chosen by the candidate appearing beneath his profile picture in the link.
Too many candidates to make that fair in any conceivable way.
And i agree. Pressuring people to vote will not make people any more informed. If only the informed vote you are likely to do better than if the uninformed masses have their hand.
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Ishina Fel
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:15:00 -
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More participation would be great.
However, I think that forcing people to vote to play the game is much too extreme, and will cause people to dislike the CSM instead of finding it helpful.
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Elseix
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:14:00 -
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+1
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Arina Deturca
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:17:00 -
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In-game voting would be great, but...ugh, the BUY OUR MAGAZINE popups are bad enough, but it's not as if anybody actually reads those. You really think people would pay attention to a voting one?
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Indra Set
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:22:00 -
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I am fundamentally against forced voting.
even including an abstanence option.
I would however support increaced visibility.
-Satis Tyr
p.s. mindpost
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Satis Tyr
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:27:00 -
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I am fundamentally against forced voting.
even including an abstanence option.
I would however support increaced visibility.
-Satis Tyr
p.s. mindpost
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:34:00 -
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I'm not sure encouraging the uninformed to vote is a good plan. Just look at what happened when they tried to give slaves the vote.
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Irista Ari'star
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Irista Ari''star on 04/06/2008 07:41:55 the voting system needs a bit of work as a whole, more visibility would be useful
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:41:00 -
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not voting = ccp is doing a good job
there was a little boxy thingy the whole week. Myself, I meant to vote, and with more than 1 vote. but can't say that I cared enough to do it or is that a ?
need to remember to run next time, I wants me a trip to Iceland and a chance to give the ccp guys some cookies
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:15:00 -
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Advertisement at log-in is a good idea.
Mandatory voting is a bad one. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
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Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:00:00 -
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I did not vote, specifically because "Abstain" meant "I just don't see a good candidate," whereas not voting (and that 26,000 number) was a message that I didn't care about the whole CSM thing in general.
I think that they can put a lot of effort into advertising the CSM and making sure we're aware of it, and then the numbers are gonna come back to them to prove that it wasn't that we didn't know, but that we didn't care, after all.
Do you like Windows Vista, by the way?
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Dr Clock
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:36:00 -
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I didn't vote as I didn't want a CSM. If I was forced to vote or I couldn't log in I'd either not log in till the voting was over and then log back in, or if CCP were stupid enough not to let you log in ever again if you didn;t vote, then I'd be forced to quit EVE and I don't want that.
Fortunately, for the most part, CCP are not stupid.
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Darina Rea
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Advertisement at log-in is a good idea.
Mandatory voting is a bad one.
This. Additionally you could have CONCORD spam mailboxes in game once 7 days before voting to inform everyone and once when the voting starts. _________
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Akarianna
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:08:00 -
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Some how I hope that CSM have better things to do then to figure out ways to hassle the people that play the game that they are elected
Popups are one of the most annoying things the internet has ever thought up,they are considered to be adware,spyware and even incases viruses I would think eve would have more sense then to try that tactic maybe the voting turn out was because people put little faith in anything ccp trys most thier ideas are half baked like 60 day GTC for instance while doing away with 30 and 90 days.
new expansions and updates while the game they have has all kinds of problem such as LAG everytime you try to have a decent fleet battle,fix the game then I will consider the trivial stuff like voting for a csm
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Dinique
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dinique on 05/06/2008 20:53:51 In-game voting from the character sheet or the character selection screen = win
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Tesseract d'Urberville
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.06.05 20:56:00 -
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I'm all for more people voting and getting involved etc., but you can't force people to vote. Deliberately abstaining is a perfectly legitimate thing to choose.
The best way to get players involved is for them to see the difference that CSM makes. Make a difference in the quality of the players' experience and players will get involved when they see that this stuff matters.
So, kind of supporting the principle, but I'm afraid no support for this proposal. Sorry Jade!
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