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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:36:00 -
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I have mentioned this in other threads but I really think it is a great idea and would be fairly easy to implement.
Basically my idea is for a new docking ring upgrade for outposts.
Since the nerf to Super Capitals and the fact that a Super Capital pilot is stuck in the SC i really think it would only be fair to allow them to dock their SC and jump in another ship.
This would be possibly game breaking to just allow them to dock in any station. But if there was a docking ring upgrade for outposts that required Sovereignty to install I think it could really work. I think it should need all three tiers of the upgrade platforms but would inturn allow Super Capitals to dock at that outpost. You would basically sacrifice to option of other upgrades for the ability to accommodate the docking of super capital ships.
Super Capitals where never meant to be as numerous as they currently are, and many of these ships are tieing up very high skill point characters that can not leave the ships. That was fine when they were urber powerful, you had no need for another ship. but now that they are getting nerfed many SC pilots would like to jump back into smaller ships without leaving there SC drifting in space or in a POS shield.
This would at the same time increase the strategic advantages tied to outposts. By targeting specifically your enemies SC staging outpost you could criple the fleet before the big super blob has a chance to form up.
Giver something back to the super capital pilots that have lost so much in the name of ship balancing. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:52:00 -
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Why? Just because a super can't pack light drones anymore?
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
This would at the same time increase the strategic advantages tied to outposts. By targeting specifically your enemies SC staging outpost you could criple the fleet before the big super blob has a chance to form up.
You do know how long it takes to conquer a station, right? You wouldn't cripple anything, in the WEEK it takes you to take the system, the supers will be long gone. |
Ager Agemo
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:52:00 -
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woah actually this makes so much sense its mind numbing O,o why no one though about this before?
+1 to you sir.
but with! outposts, not stations, stations as said before take ages to be taken over |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:05:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Why? Just because a super can't pack light drones anymore? Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
This would at the same time increase the strategic advantages tied to outposts. By targeting specifically your enemies SC staging outpost you could criple the fleet before the big super blob has a chance to form up.
You do know how long it takes to conquer a station, right? You wouldn't cripple anything, in the WEEK it takes you to take the system, the supers will be long gone.
Very true but a camp around the station would be able to catch pilots trying to dock to retrieve their SC's and be able to trap any SC's undocking as they will all come out the same way.
besides as far as I know you can not upgrade conquerable stations, only outposts.
Even without being able to lock down the docked SC fleet it is still a great idea. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:08:00 -
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Just to be clear: are you proposing that the SCs be docked inside the outpost, or that they be securely kept outside where only the pilot that docked them can board them again?
I like the latter idea. Then it would be possible for someone to attack the SC in dock, but not to simply steal it. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:14:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Just to be clear: are you proposing that the SCs be docked inside the outpost, or that they be securely kept outside where only the pilot that docked them can board them again?
I like the latter idea. Then it would be possible for someone to attack the SC in dock, but not to simply steal it. I was thinking docked inside, but anchored to the docking ring so they could be targeted is a cool idea, provided they got a measure of protection from the outpost shields.
Might be hard to make work though graphics wise unless there was only a limited number of docking ports. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
266
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Posted - 2012.03.09 00:03:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:woah actually this makes so much sense its mind numbing O,o why no one though about this before?
+1 to you sir.
but with! outposts, not stations, stations as said before take ages to be taken over
Outposts take exactly the same amount of time as stations. Why, exactly, is this A) needed, and B) a good idea? |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.09 00:43:00 -
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Great idea but its hardly something new, wasnt this in the CSM minutes even? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:08:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:woah actually this makes so much sense its mind numbing O,o why no one though about this before?
+1 to you sir.
but with! outposts, not stations, stations as said before take ages to be taken over Outposts take exactly the same amount of time as stations. Why, exactly, is this A) needed, and B) a good idea?
I really don't see what difference it makes between stations and outposts except that outposts are built and upgraded by players while stations can be conquered but what you see is what you get. No upgrades.
although the changes to Super Capitals may seem minor and trivial, for those who actually fly them this has had an impact. SC's are far less effective at defending against sub capital fleets making them no longer effective as stand alone ships.
I am not here to debate whether or not that was a good idea. My point is that Super Capital Pilots are stuck in that ship. unless they have a holding alt which takes a massive amount of training, or leave the ship floating inside a POS shield to be possibly bumped out or stolen, they can not use any other ship.
It has been suggested and even discussed to simply allow them to dock like any other ship. But many seem to think this is a bad idea. My proposal is to allow Sovereign Holding Alliances to upgrade outposts with a docking ring upgrade(using the current upgrade platform mechanics) so that Super Capitals can dock at that particular outpost. This would be in keeping with the fact that you need sovereign space to build them you should also need it to dock them. To my knowledge the only significant difference between outposts and stations is that outposts CAN be upgraded while Conquerable Stations CAN NOT.
This would allow Super Capital Pilots to again fly other ships rather than be restricted to only their SC. At the same time this will prevent Super Capitals from being docked(hidden) anywhere in low, Null, and NPC 0.0. They could only be docked in upgraded outposts in SOV space.
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