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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Raniss on 01/06/2008 13:53:29 Its obvious.
The reason ccp doesnt (want to do) jack about isksellers, is because its their #1 source of profit: Instead of removing isksellers/farmers completely from the game by ip-banning them, they go after the iskbuyers..
Why? They erase all the isk you bought with real life money TWICE from your account if they find out your buying isk.
What then? You have two options at that point: Leaving the game or getting your account out of the negative by BUYING GTC's and selling them. Who's making profit off that? Ccp.
Ccp, i think you really should be honest about this matter, because it really IS A PIECE OF CAKE to ip ban isksellers and get rid of what you call 'the problem' (for us, not for you). Why dont you guys be honest and do something about it, instead of making loads of real life money because you go after the iskbuyers and making them pay for this? Its rediculous and completely stupid, and i think you guys should be honest towards the community instead of ripping them off.
Discuss.
(ps: No, i never ever bought isk with rl money nor used rl money to buy gtc's with, its just an observation on a old problem within the beautiful world of eve)
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TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:54:00 -
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problem: farming is not illegal, selling isk is... :
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld problem: farming is not illegal, selling isk is... :
I know that. But ip banning the sellers is a piece of cake, but there not doing anything about it. And the reason is obvious.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:55:00 -
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Clearly some 1 who just got owned due to spending money on isk from some chinease farmer.
Also banning IP's good luck with that glad you know what a proxy server is.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mavolio Clearly some 1 who just got owned due to spending money on isk from some chinease farmer.
Also banning IP's good luck with that glad you know what a proxy server is.
Read my post, if you do that you can see i never ever bought isk, nor i intend on doing it. It is just a observation on a problem ive seen happening around me.
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:00:00 -
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CCP do alot to stop isk farmers but while ppl still buy it will always be worth ppl spening time to make the isk to sell, CCP should be harder on buyers 1 month ban + isk removed from account min.
and i'm the king of the world, what i say and what i am/do can ealsily be different.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:01:00 -
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On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:03:00 -
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So the fact that they recently deployed new server side techniques to block isk seller spam in local/public chat channels, as well as asking us to petition the ones that get through the filters so they [CCP] can improve them is “doing nothing” eh?
Originally by: Raniss because its their #1 source of profit
Your claiming that isk seller accounts outnumber real player accounts?
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:07:00 -
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1. The reason they dont ban them all is probably that if they know who sells the isk, they can easily track it and get to the buyers. What is far more effective than trying to found the accounts everytime again when you have banned them
2. Welcome to the internet, IP-address isnt exactly hard to change...
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alski So the fact that they recently deployed new server side techniques to block isk seller spam in local/public chat channels, as well as asking us to petition the ones that get through the filters so they [CCP] can improve them is ôdoing nothingö eh?
Originally by: Raniss because its their #1 source of profit
Your claiming that isk seller accounts outnumber real player accounts?
Really?
#1: No, im not saying they arent doing anything (they basicly HAVE TO DO AT LEAST SOMETHING about it to make it look like they are helping the community. But in fact, they are better off if they didnt do jack about isksellers, since that would allow them to remove more isk from iskbuyers and thus make more profit on gtc sales.
#2: No, im not claiming there are more farmer accounts than normal, if you would read again you can see i ment that 'ccp not doing anything about isksellers = more people they can remove the isk from = more gtc sales (to get the account out of the negative)'.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Quelque Chose on 01/06/2008 14:14:04
Originally by: Raniss more profit on gtc sales
... because the volume of possible gtc sales bears absolutely no relation to the number of active accounts. Nope, none whatsoever. MUST SELL MOAR GTCS, SKY IS TEH LIMAT!!!!!
It'th a conthpirathy. ___________________________________________
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GM Krymus
Game Masters
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
Hi,
I would be interested if you could provide the source of this information?
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:17:00 -
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The problem isn't the sellers, it's the buyers.
With no buyers the sellers/farmers move on to another game.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer 1. The reason they dont ban them all is probably that if they know who sells the isk, they can easily track it and get to the buyers. What is far more effective than trying to found the accounts everytime again when you have banned them
2. Welcome to the internet, IP-address isnt exactly hard to change...
I do understand it is far more easier to track down the buyers. But thats exactly what they want: They want the loyal eve-o player to pay for a problem only ccp can solve in some way (removing the sellers/farmers perm from the game).
I admit im not a internet geek, i barely know anything about it, but are you telling me there is virtually NO POSSIBLE WAY to do something about it?
And, ccp claims the link between iskbuying and account hacking is proven: Why dont they sue the actuall isksellers (since hacking is something forbidden in rl), since the adresses of alot of those guys are easy to find on the internet?!?!?!?!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus
Originally by: Raniss On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
Hi,
I would be interested if you could provide the source of this information?
I think posting a goatse would get him banned, even though that would show the correct source.... -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Andrew shi'tra
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:18:00 -
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Sorry, But no, I don't think they remove the isk twice.
The reason for negative wallets?
Easy....
Isk buyer has fifty million, Isk buyer buys one billion.
Isk buyer now has one billion and fifty million isk.
Isk buyer spends 800 million out of the billion he bought, He now has 250 million in his wallet.
CCP removes one billion from isk buyers account.
Isk buyer now has -750 million isk in his wallet.
And no, CCP does not remove the isk from the wallet of whoever the isk buyer paid for [insert ship/module/whatever-he-bought here].
See? it's rather easy to see why someone would get a negative wallet, Even if they only remove it one time. |
Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Raniss on 01/06/2008 14:22:54
Originally by: GM Krymus
Originally by: Raniss On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
Hi,
I would be interested if you could provide the source of this information?
Hi, what part do you mean exactly? About the x1/x2? That is what i heard from some friends ingame who got hit because they bought isk: He got hit because ccp found out he bought around 3 billion isk with real life isk, while having around 4 billion in his wallet. He ended up with a negative 2 billion isk.
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GM Krymus
Game Masters
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss Hi, what part do you mean exactly? About the x1/x2? That is what i heard from some friends ingame who got hit because they bought isk.
Well, I can assure you that it is most definitely incorrect. In the occurance of ISK being removed twice, the involved party simply needs to file a petition regarding it. We can then verify it and resolve the issue.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss Edited by: Raniss on 01/06/2008 14:22:54
Originally by: GM Krymus
Originally by: Raniss On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
Hi,
I would be interested if you could provide the source of this information?
Hi, what part do you mean exactly? About the x1/x2? That is what i heard from some friends ingame who got hit because they bought isk: He got hit because ccp found out he bought around 3 billion isk with real life isk, while having around 4 billion in his wallet. He ended up with a negative 2 billion isk.
Bingo. You think this person is not twisting the truth to make it sound more favorable on his side?
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Karanth
Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:29:00 -
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To the OP:
Get out.
Why is it every single week someone posts about how CCP is just a front for isksellers? www.eve-search.com exists so you can find threads of all sorts, even worthless ones like this.
P.S. A negative wallet on one character doesn't affect the rest of the characters on that account.
Oh, and another hint: You say "IP ban"... I say "proxy"
If I was so concerned with were I seemed to be connected from, I could hide behind enough proxies that you would never know where I am.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss
#1: No, im not saying they arent doing anything (they basicly HAVE TO DO AT LEAST SOMETHING about it to make it look like they are helping the community. But in fact, they are better off if they didnt do jack about isksellers, since that would allow them to remove more isk from iskbuyers and thus make more profit on gtc sales.
#2: No, im not claiming there are more farmer accounts than normal, if you would read again you can see i ment that 'ccp not doing anything about isksellers = more people they can remove the isk from = more gtc sales (to get the account out of the negative)'.
#1 CCP do as least much as other MMO companies, RMT is not just an Eve problem, its an industry problem.
What proof do you have that CCP are not trying to get rid of isk sellers? I think you’ll find that if everyone who bought isk and got caught looked up the character they received the isk from, that character would no longer exist.
You may well (and I have) seen a whole bunch of isk sellers populating one small area farming courier missions and such for weeks on end, only for them to suddenly disappear and their accounts never logon again. Its fairly well known that CCP do not immediately delete farmer accounts as they watch all transactions from them so they can follow the money and ban: the farmers, the collectors, the sellers, the advertisers, and the player that was stupid enough to buy the isk.
#2 You can’t actually prove that can you? Thought not. If people are stupid enough to buy isk, then they deserve to lose it, simple as that. If anything they should be thankful that CCP has a sanctioned and regulated RMT method, without it digging themselves out of the tarded hole they dug for themselves would a massive PITA.
Personally if I were to buy isk and got it removed (this of course assumes that in such a fictional universe I fail at common sense) I’d probably just delete the character tbh, and since you have zero numbers to backup your little “theory” (I say that in the strictest non-scientific use of the word) I’m just gonna assume that everyone else would as well.
Originally by: Raniss community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2
That IS how it works. You buy 1b isk = you lose 1b isk.
The buyers account go’s into the negative because they BOUGHT STUFF inbetween the time they received it and the time CCP took it away, this shows about how much you know about the subject matter – Not much.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus
Originally by: Raniss Hi, what part do you mean exactly? About the x1/x2? That is what i heard from some friends ingame who got hit because they bought isk.
Well, I can assure you that it is most definitely incorrect. In the occurance of ISK being removed twice, the involved party simply needs to file a petition regarding it. We can then verify it and resolve the issue.
Hi again. Sorry i editted that same post right before you replied on it.
All i am trying to show with this post, is showing the other side of this 'problem'. I hope you can understand my suspicion on this matter, because i tried to explain there are definately reasons for this suspicion.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Raniss Edited by: Raniss on 01/06/2008 14:22:54
Originally by: GM Krymus
Originally by: Raniss On a sidenote: If ccp was honest to the community they would only remove the isk the person bought x1, and not x2, since that creates a negative wallet and thats EXACTLY what they want: They want you to pay rl money to buy there gtc's, because thats making them loads of rl money.
Hi,
I would be interested if you could provide the source of this information?
Hi, what part do you mean exactly? About the x1/x2? That is what i heard from some friends ingame who got hit because they bought isk: He got hit because ccp found out he bought around 3 billion isk with real life isk, while having around 4 billion in his wallet. He ended up with a negative 2 billion isk.
Bingo. You think this person is not twisting the truth to make it sound more favorable on his side?
The person who im talking about is a good rl friend of me, and i fully trust his word.
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GM Krymus
Game Masters
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:35:00 -
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As I mentioned, we don't remove the same ISK multiple times. If one of your friends has had this happen, let them know they can file a petition and this will be looked into much further.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss The person who im talking about is a good rl friend of me, and i fully trust his word.
Maybe you should stop. He's either lying to you, or just plain stupidforgetful.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Raniss on 01/06/2008 14:37:55 Again, im only trying to get a discussion rolling here, and yes, i might not know everything about this matter (i bet some of you guys definately know more about this). But dont you think there is a reason for me to be suspicous about this? Because, whatever happens (even if they remove it just 1x or even less), ccp profits from people buying/selling isk.
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Sitthh
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:37:00 -
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The solution to illegal isk selling is for CCP to sell isk for money. No more gtc for isk. CCP would be making money off subscrictions and isk selling. More money for ccp and less illegal isk selling because why would you risk buying illegal isk when CCP sells it legaly.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:38:00 -
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Who, ME?! Erectile Dysfunction? Haha, noooooooooo, I'm a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus over here.
No, see, the reason I'm askin' is I got "this friend" and, well, he's "kinda shy" about this stuff, you unnerstand... ___________________________________________
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus As I mentioned, we don't remove the same ISK multiple times. If one of your friends has had this happen, let them know they can file a petition and this will be looked into much further.
Thanks for this information.
I hope you can understand my suspicion, since ive tried to explain the other side effect on iskbuying/selling with the information i have. And if i am wrong on anything, please correct me on that, and im definately more than willing to take every word back on this matter.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.01 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus As I mentioned, we don't remove the same ISK multiple times.
Why not ? Buying ISK should be a bannable offense as far as I'm concerned. If you removed twice the ISK , it would send a clear message that buying ISK is a very bad idea - not just wasting money , but going backwards in Eve.
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