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Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 16:38:29 Anyone have any suggestions on the best way to fit a typhoon for missions and pvp? Can't decide if I want to shield or armor tank it.
Thanks,
"Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Jies U'Mae
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mariana Benn Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 16:38:29 Anyone have any suggestions on the best way to fit a typhoon for missions and pvp? Can't decide if I want to shield or armor tank it.
Thanks,
Quoting for later proof of stupidity. Look at the slot layout Or even better, use your own brain and come up with something out of the box that actually works. People, stop coming to the forums to either repeat the always same questions and topics "LOokzor at me Dr4ke", "tis VS tat" or just outright stupidity "should I use both sides of toiletpaper to save some?" [/rant]
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Constable Detritus
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:51:00 -
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^Back to your cage, Jies. ¦¦¦ Eve what it lacks in frames per second it more than makes up for with drama per thread. |
Kis Kecheri
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:53:00 -
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Quote: Is the Typhoon a shield or an armor tank?
Yes.
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Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.01 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 17:12:15 Jies -- Asking and answering questions, discussing setups, is what this forum is all about. The number of slots is only one determining factor to how one can tank a ship. You might want to find something worthwhile to gripe about. "Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Prevelance
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 17:25:00 -
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(For PVP)
If you want maximum DPS to add to your gang, then you sheild tank (passive of corse), and fit 3 bcu's and 3 gyros and heavy drones and torps.
If you want more survivability and more tackle (slightly less DPS), plate it and use 2 or 3 BCU's and no gyros. (note that a second bcu adds more damage than adding a single gyro on this ship).
(PVE) torps/ autos, mwd, rat specific hardners, damage control web, cap rechargers and large armor rep.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.01 17:29:00 -
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IMO, you can shield tank the phoon for missions, but it requires crystals and/or a faction/deadspace setup.
Easier (and cheaper) just to armor tank it.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
FT Diomedes
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.06.01 17:51:00 -
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Armor tank it. I have found this setup works very well for gang work in 0.0:
[Typhoon, X's Typhoon - PvP] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP L Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP L
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Valkyrie II x5
Rigs are optional - I've never actually put 3 Trimarks on anything. As with everything Minmatar, it takes lots of skills to actually work.
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Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.01 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 19:02:04 Thanks for the suggestions. Appreciate your help. "Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Dristra
Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.01 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jies U'Mae
Originally by: Mariana Benn Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 16:38:29 Anyone have any suggestions on the best way to fit a typhoon for missions and pvp? Can't decide if I want to shield or armor tank it.
Thanks,
Quoting for later proof of stupidity. Look at the slot layout Or even better, use your own brain and come up with something out of the box that actually works. People, stop coming to the forums to either repeat the always same questions and topics "LOokzor at me Dr4ke", "tis VS tat" or just outright stupidity "should I use both sides of toiletpaper to save some?" [/rant]
I agree, it got like 8 lows, you don't need to think long to figure out what sort of tank, and in pvp those 4 mids speak for themselves. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them. |
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My'kel An'jelo
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.01 19:51:00 -
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I've seen people passive shield tank typhoons for mission running before, but a passive armour tank is the way to go for PvP...
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Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.01 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 22:50:59
Originally by: Dristra
Originally by: Jies U'Mae
Originally by: Mariana Benn Edited by: Mariana Benn on 01/06/2008 16:38:29 Anyone have any suggestions on the best way to fit a typhoon for missions and pvp? Can't decide if I want to shield or armor tank it.
Thanks,
Quoting for later proof of stupidity. Look at the slot layout Or even better, use your own brain and come up with something out of the box that actually works. People, stop coming to the forums to either repeat the always same questions and topics "LOokzor at me Dr4ke", "tis VS tat" or just outright stupidity "should I use both sides of toiletpaper to save some?" [/rant]
I agree, it got like 8 lows, you don't need to think long to figure out what sort of tank, and in pvp those 4 mids speak for themselves.
Yes I do realize it's got 8 low slots (which in most ships automatically means armor tank), but I was intrigued by the fact that some more experienced ppl's use shield tank setup on the phoon. There are more shield hitpoint on it than armor, for one. I've seen passive shield setups with killer shield recharge, that utilize power relays in low slots. The ship gives bonuses for cruise missiles and artillery and by using a shield tank you can have the ability to fit both ballistic controls and gyrostabilizers for a gank setup. The typhoon is an unusual ship in that it's very flexible, and there's many ways to set it up. So it seems to me it's a reasonably fair question to pose on the forums.
"Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mariana Benn
Yes I do realize it's got 8 low slots (which in most ships automatically means armor tank), but I was intrigued by the fact that some more experienced ppl's use shield tank setup on the phoon. There are more shield hitpoint on it than armor, for one. I've seen passive shield setups with killer shield recharge, that utilize power relays in low slots.
Forget it. Such setups have no MWD, no tackle, and fairly low damage output.
The DPS tanked isn't all that great either - a Drake tanks noticeably more. You get 679 DPS tanked with wasting all of your mids, lows and rigs on a shield tank. The damage output of such a Typhoon is horribly bad, and effective HP isn't anything impressive (while my Typhoon has 146K eff HP atm, yours would have 56K).
If you're willing to forego tackle, you can make a Maelstorm tank way more and on top of that do a ton more DPS.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.02 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Forget it. Such setups have no MWD, no tackle, and fairly low damage output.
The DPS tanked isn't all that great either - a Drake tanks noticeably more. You get 679 DPS tanked with wasting all of your mids, lows and rigs on a shield tank. The damage output of such a Typhoon is horribly bad, and effective HP isn't anything impressive (while my Typhoon has 146K eff HP atm, yours would have 56K).
If you're willing to forego tackle, you can make a Maelstorm tank way more and on top of that do a ton more DPS.
No, you can't make a Maelstrom out DPS a Phoon.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
No, you can't make a Maelstrom out DPS a Phoon.
-Liang
Read what the guy said, he's talking about a Phoon with freaking SPRs. Doesn't leave a lot of room for damage mods Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Dristra
Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.02 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Liang Nuren
No, you can't make a Maelstrom out DPS a Phoon.
-Liang
Read what the guy said, he's talking about a Phoon with freaking SPRs. Doesn't leave a lot of room for damage mods
This time it is of course the 3x gyro, 3x ballistic setup... Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.02 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Liang Nuren
No, you can't make a Maelstrom out DPS a Phoon.
-Liang
Read what the guy said, he's talking about a Phoon with freaking SPRs. Doesn't leave a lot of room for damage mods
Here, let me quote the part you seem to have missed. I don't know how you missed it, since you deliberately cut it out of your quote.
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The ship gives bonuses for cruise missiles and artillery and by using a shield tank you can have the ability to fit both ballistic controls and gyrostabilizers for a gank setup.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:02:00 -
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its an armor tank ----
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/06/2008 11:09:57
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Here, let me quote the part you seem to have missed. I don't know how you missed it, since you deliberately cut it out of your quote.
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The ship gives bonuses for cruise missiles and artillery and by using a shield tank you can have the ability to fit both ballistic controls and gyrostabilizers for a gank setup.
-Liang
I stopped reading after the SPRs part
Originally by: Mariana Benn I've seen passive shield setups with killer shield recharge, that utilize power relays in low slots.
This does suggest SPRs instead of a 3 gyro/3BCU setup, however, as does the 'insane shield recharge'. A 3 gyro/3BCU setup with LSEs and invulns would be more of a buffer tank then a passive shield tank. I guess he was saying about different ways to set it up. And gank definitely wouldnt be arties and cruises
Anyway, the SPR setup mentioned first is a failboat. My bad for selective reading though.
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Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:19:00 -
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So it seems that armor tanking the phoon is the most efficient thing to do in most cases. I still think, though that in some situations it might make sense to shield tank, for example, in a gang where your role is damage dealer. In what other ship can you get away with fitting up to six weapons upgrade mods, and potentially use all 4 damage types at once? The phoon seems very interesting to mess around with. I mean, sure you see 8 lows, and you immediately think armor tank, but why not try to think outside the box? I mostly fly Amarr, and there there's no question about what kind of tank you should have for those beasties. So I liked the idea of playing with a ship that was more versatile.
Btw, the phoon seems like a great platform for a logistics setup too.
"Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/06/2008 11:49:12
Originally by: Mariana Benn In what other ship can you get away with fitting up to six weapons upgrade mods, and potentially use all 4 damage types at once?
True, but no other ship gets so little effect from 6 damage mods - 3 damage mods on a ship concentrating on one weapon are better then 6 on a ship concentrating on two.
That said, you can make a solid gank Typhoon with 2 BCUs and still have a very very mean buffer tank, in addition to having a MWD.
A MWD IS practically essential as the Phoon gets no range bonuses for torps, and fights DO get stretched out - I tried a non-MWD phoon and I have to say it annoyed me to no end, covering 2km to get in torp range takes forever).
The three remaining mids, even if your role is damage dealer, can always be spent on good things: a TP for instance, will boost your torp damage, particularly vs sub BS targets or BS with smaller sigs (or if using rages which don't work without a TP!). A ECCM will make you harder to jam; without it a single falcon will put you out of comission for most of a fight using just one jammer. Then you could fit a point or a web, or just another ECCM (making you already fairly hard to jam).
Originally by: Mariana Benn
Btw, the phoon seems like a great platform for a logistics setup too.
That it is. The Dominix is somewhat better because of the extra mid, but the Typhoon preforms admirably as well.
Also, it's got 7 lows. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Mariana Benn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mariana Benn on 02/06/2008 11:52:59 Thx Cpt Branko., you make some very good point. "Still haven't found that lost cheeseburger" -- Mar --
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