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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.02 10:55:00 -
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/bump
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.08.02 14:04:00 -
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/signed (provided it doesn't need Sov)
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JohnPaulJones
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:51:00 -
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I created a thread about this a few days ago not realizing the idea was already floating around.
I like the biogel idea or more like the ectoplasm already on the market which as we know is used in escape pods therefore would be the ideal material. The idea of various sized and numbers of clones it can hold are great too(but pretty bad we we start setting our own limitations) and it should offer a complete clone service such as replacement clones in the event your jump clone is killed you dont wind up 40 jumps away. Also if the vat goes offline your clone WILL die. The trick will be your replacement clone. It will create serious issues if your clone is at the default because your vat was taken out therefore when that happens your clone is now the default 900,000SP clone and you will need to update it and its location. Lets face it some pilots lack brains otherwise lowsec piracy and empire war would be completey over therefore we'll need a mail system that indicates their clone was killed, where it is and needs an upgrade.
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: JohnPaulJones Edited by: JohnPaulJones on 04/08/2008 18:34:24 Sov should be required otherwise it could create a loophole to make invasion of 0.0 empires too easy,this includes neutral corps who come into an alliance owned system without permission and anchor a tower/Vat with the idea of then joining an alliance hostile to the Sov holder. As for allowing small corps to set up jump clones in empire the standing issue is all the same.They will still need a high corperate standing to be able to set up the tower in faction space so its not a far cry for them to have standing to a corp to allow all their pilots to set up jump clones. Even my corp is hindered by this lack of being able to set up a tower in highsec yet we can still set up jump clones with several NPC corps.
Given that it is a POS Vat, means that you alrady have enough standing to put up a POS, why should the module require SOV?
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JohnPaulJones
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:18:00 -
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Quote: Given that it is a POS Vat, means that you alrady have enough standing to put up a POS, why should the module require SOV?
Am I wrong in my understanding that towers can still be anchored in another alliance space regardless of their standing to the corp anchoring the tower. No the attacking alliance should not have any more ability to set up a clone vat in another alliance turf any more than they should be able to anchor a cyno jammer or generator or capital ship arrays which simply they cant. Creating loopholes makes matters worse,like we need more issues on top of the pile of issues that require balancing.
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Karentaki
Gallente Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:57:00 -
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/signe...
Wait a minute... you're our war targets!
So this is where you've been lurking while in station
... only joking
/signed However, now you are just reading my signature... Or are you...
========= Sporks FTW |
akj25
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:34:00 -
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Great idea. This would be so cool /signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.05 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: JohnPaulJones
I created a thread about this a few days ago not realizing the idea was already floating around.
I like the biogel idea or more like the ectoplasm already on the market which as we know is used in escape pods therefore would be the ideal material. The idea of various sized and numbers of clones it can hold are great too(but pretty bad we we start setting our own limitations) and it should offer a complete clone service such as replacement clones in the event your jump clone is killed you dont wind up 40 jumps away. Also if the vat goes offline your clone(s) WILL die. The trick will be your replacement clone. It will create serious issues if your clone is at the default because your vat was taken out therefore when that happens your clone is now the default 900,000SP clone and you will need to update it and its location. Lets face it some pilots lack that very special talent otherwise lowsec piracy and empire war would be completey over therefore we'll need a mail system that indicates their clone was killed, where it is and needs an upgrade.
Sov should be required otherwise it could create a loophole to make invasion of 0.0 empires too easy,this includes neutral corps who come into an alliance owned system without permission and anchor a tower/Vat with the idea of then joining an alliance hostile to the Sov holder. As for allowing small corps to set up jump clones in empire the standing issue is all the same.They will still need a high corperate standing to be able to set up the tower in faction space so its not a far cry for them to have standing to a corp to allow all their pilots to set up jump clones. Even my corp is hindered by this lack of being able to set up a tower in highsec yet we can still set up jump clones with several NPC corps.
And no the vat should not be placed outside the POS shields. Lets assume you just jumped in,your not in a ship. You need a hangar nearby. Now we could make a hangar in the vat large enough to hold escape pods and nothing else but being outside the shields would be a death sentence to any pilot stupid enough to undock if the tower is under siege.If we go with the normal and we dont get an escape pod when we jump in that means we'll have to have our clone vat within range of the ship hangar(s) so we can get access.
I think fitting of the vat should take up a bit of grid and CPU because this device has significan tactical value therefore should make fuel consumption high,specificly the ectoplasm.
I love the idea of POS clone vats and I hope CCP takes another look into the idea.I'm sure they have in the past but I think we are ready.
The awnser to these problems are simple enough:
1) In NPC 0.0 / Low sec - you can deploy it, but at higher logistical needs. 2) In Soved 0.0 you need to be part of the alliance holding sov in that system, the moment you no longer have Sov, the JC Vats go offline. 3) Having the vats on the outside dont make sense, especially as I stated in my original statement that JC Vats will have heavy logistical costs, which means not only maintaing the POS, but also being able to field fewer defenses , making it a soft target.
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Seetesh
Caldari Pixels Docks Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.05 09:37:00 -
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I love this idea and it would be a great help to have a pos capable of this.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:47:00 -
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/bump
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Freezehunter
Gallente Black Knight Squadron OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:09:00 -
[71]
/signed
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Hitachi Morimoto
Gallente Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:34:00 -
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How about instead of using biogel as the fuel, use frozen corpses?
/Signed. -------------------------------------------------- If tomorrow technically doesn't exist until it happens, then doesn't that beg the askin if today didn't exist yesterday? |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:31:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:13:00 -
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/bump
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mindseamstress on 17/08/2008 17:05:52
Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Makes things too easy imo Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:37:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.26 05:32:00 -
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/bump
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:43:00 -
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Aaru
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mindseamstress Makes things too easy imo
Heaven forbid a game be fun and easy.
/Signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.12 15:37:00 -
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