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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Raven Timoshenko on 03/06/2008 13:08:34 I brought this up before and could not find it again. It mainly met with approval.
1) Jump Clone Vat POS array as its name suggests is a POS deployable array. 2) It comes in various sizes - maybe from 5 to 25 slot versions. 3) It will be reasonably expensive to purchase - say about 100 Million ISK for the smallest version. 4) It will require a substantial amount of CPU and Power to be online. 5) It will consume an additional fuel to further increase logistical costs: Biogel. 6) It can be used by any Corporate member (maybe alliance as well) 7) In effect it will function like a Capital Clone Vat array but fixed in one place.
War in EVE is like a box of chocolates. You never know which is the really nasty one with the horribly hard nougat center. |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:09:00 -
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/reserved War in EVE is like a box of chocolates. You never know which is the really nasty one with the horribly hard nougat center. |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.07 16:02:00 -
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/bump War in EVE is like a box of chocolates. You never know which is the really nasty one with the horribly hard nougat center. |
Kaiden Exeider
Astrowork Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.07 23:43:00 -
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/signed "Commercial" Jump Drives and Cynos |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:56:00 -
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/bump War in EVE is like a box of chocolates. You never know which is the really nasty one with the horribly hard nougat center. |
Haakelen
United Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:02:00 -
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What happens when it gets offlined/destroyed? Can you update/change your medical clone there? Can you remotely assign a clone there?
With this module, the only remaining things an outpost would have that a POS doesn't would be market stations and offices. Thus it'd have to be balanced very carefully.
It should also require an enhanced level of sovereignty, maybe even sov 4. You shouldn't be able to drop a module like this in a contested area. |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen What happens when it gets offlined/destroyed? Can you update/change your medical clone there? Can you remotely assign a clone there?
If it goes offline you cant jump to the clone, if its destroyed, say goodbye to your clone. Nope you cant update your med clone, all you can do is intall a JC, remote assignment not possible.
Originally by: Haakelen
With this module, the only remaining things an outpost would have that a POS doesn't would be market stations and offices. Thus it'd have to be balanced very carefully. It should also require an enhanced level of sovereignty, maybe even sov 4. You shouldn't be able to drop a module like this in a contested area.
Well having it soved means that smaller alliances and corps loose out big time. If your a large alliance you anyway basically are holding space or have a Outpost deployed.
Secondly since you basically have to spend a billion or two on a cap ship and even then hope your cap pilot is active, this is a good compromise. Its immobile and needs continuous logistical support. I think its reasonably balanced in this case. If someone deploys it in contested space its heavy logistical costs means that the POS in question would not be able to field as many guns or defense systems anyway, making it a soft target. |
Scouteye
Locasta Tactical
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Posted - 2008.06.11 10:35:00 -
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great idea, its really annoying breaking out the rorqual/mothership to do this, so having the module fixed at a POS would be great.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.12 05:56:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:27:00 -
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Salpad
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:10:00 -
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I think it sounds reasonable. -- Salpad |
Twin blade
The Triangle Unlimited Horizons
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:48:00 -
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I would love to see this put in game would help the small corp i am in ALOT we can not afford to buy motherships or deploy and outpost. Death is great rember where all dying to get there. |
Ooyama
Rastana CMP
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:34:00 -
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/signed!!
Whould make a large difference to the small corps,, in the way of balancing out things,,
Ooyama.
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:35:00 -
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This would be very useful.
One of the major issues I ahve with getting new players to com out on my CAS Combat Day event is jumpclones. I Used ECP-8R in the past but since Evoke lost it it hasn't worked. 15 million per clone in Providance is to coslty for newbies. I have a CAS fleet member trying to use a Roqural pilot to get JCs for people but that has the whole pilot's on line at the right time issue.
If it was useable at a POS in low sec I could run a JC operation for CAS members and get more people coming along for CAS Comabt Day. (high sec would be ideal but not sure about balance)
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.17 02:56:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:04:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:11:00 -
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Scouteye
Locasta Tactical
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:17:00 -
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Twin blade, buy a rorqual, 15 times cheaper than your average mothership and can run a clone vat bay.
still a good idea though, would like this on POSes
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:11:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:31:00 -
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Cordillia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:32:00 -
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/Nods and Sign. POS without that ability is like a TV without power.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:42:00 -
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Isn't this the sort of thing that makes an Outpost so good to have?
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zirconium Blade Isn't this the sort of thing that makes an Outpost so good to have?
Umm.... so basically spend BILLIONS of ISK just to have an a Jump clone bay? The point here is to find a balance between the Capital ship bays which requires not only a capital ship but the pilot to be online and the outposts which not everyone can afford to deploy in the first place.
The high logistical and consumption costs means that a POS with a Clone bay will not have sufficient power to be used say in even a simple reactor or a moon harvester.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.25 08:54:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:56:00 -
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 16:52:00 -
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/signed
Good idea. Would help lower some of the barriers to PVP for smaller groups, and could help get more peeps in to no sec.
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.29 11:41:00 -
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/bump
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Gaelenus
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:28:00 -
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definatly agree with this one, though you might want to also post this in the CMS forum no?
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gaelenus definatly agree with this one, though you might want to also post this in the CMS forum no?
I thought you could only post there once you have like 5% signatures or something |
Gaelenus
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.29 16:41:00 -
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well i'm not a 100% sure on that but i'm pretty sure that with a lot of the threas in there thats not the case... |
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Marcus Right
Minmatar Rising Star Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.29 19:23:00 -
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I'm not opposed to this idea. If capital ships can have clone vat bays, why not a tower?
It might eat up a lot of Power & CPU to keep it running just perfectly so the clones don't die. It might fit only on a large tower, and leave very little room for anything else. It might also even require a decent sov. level to anchor.
Over all though, I think it makes sense. |
Niko72
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:22:00 -
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I like the idea |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:33:00 -
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Ashtar Razor
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:42:00 -
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I think it can be a good idea, especially for corps that don't have standings up to 8.0+ to get in on PVP or other low sec operations safely.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.01 03:35:00 -
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.07.01 06:03:00 -
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As I mentioned in your other thread, I think it is a good idea, and should be implemented.
So far I am really surprised by the mildness and support of everyone else. As I said before, some camps will say that it gives too much to 0.0 alliances, and others will say that it will give too much to the Empire carebears.
I personally think that this is a great way of circumventing the ridiculous JC requirements from the NPCs, and will allow quite allot of people to obtain JC while still part of the corporation or alliance, at much faster pace. Thus, more people will go an PVP since they wont have the implants to loose, and will have more than one clone. |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:44:00 -
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:19:00 -
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sounds good. :) Really good, some friends of mine who only recently joined the game want to pvp and are so desperately struggling for some 8.0 :/
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Indigosia
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Posted - 2008.07.02 11:45:00 -
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/signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.02 18:47:00 -
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/bump
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.03 09:38:00 -
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Dantes Revenge
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Posted - 2008.07.03 09:43:00 -
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/signed as long as SOV isn't implemented. Having this without SOV would benefit so many corps with a POS in lowsec.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.04 04:00:00 -
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:22:00 -
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What is it with you people and trying to make EVE pve only. By making clone vat bays at posses you're gonna make it even safer to travel around 0.0. And I assume once this happens youre gonna start whining about how u can only jump once a day, so they change that to 1 hour.
Pretty soon 0.0 is gonna be a place where people don't use gates anymore. Where they can instantly jump from empire to their moon mining POS, jump into hulks mine mine mine and as soon as constellation chat goes hostile warp out.
Might as well change 0.0 sec stat to 1.0 innit?
Ohno wait, then people are gonna high sec gank u. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.04 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Raven Timoshenko on 04/07/2008 08:00:36
Originally by: Mostly Amazing What is it with you people and trying to make EVE pve only. By making clone vat bays at posses you're gonna make it even safer to travel around 0.0. And I assume once this happens youre gonna start whining about how u can only jump once a day, so they change that to 1 hour.
Pretty soon 0.0 is gonna be a place where people don't use gates anymore. Where they can instantly jump from empire to their moon mining POS, jump into hulks mine mine mine and as soon as constellation chat goes hostile warp out.
Might as well change 0.0 sec stat to 1.0 innit?
Ohno wait, then people are gonna high sec gank u.
Ahh the slippery slope fallacy, I suggest you think a bit more next time before posting.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.05 05:39:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.06 04:56:00 -
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EthanPow
Caldari Drakeal Inc. Drakeal Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.06 06:45:00 -
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/signed! <sig starts here> SEND IN THE SUPER SUPER SUPER CAP SHIP! </sig> |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:48:00 -
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Covert-Nexus White Core
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:57:00 -
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yes please it would make life a lot easier maybe even with a 12 hr jump timer
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:42:00 -
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Zen Dule
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.09 11:07:00 -
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I think this would be a nice idea for smaller and mid sized corps or non alliance corps.
/sign
*** Zen Dule ***
can i play now?
Retirement is never an option, just an excuse for a more devilish plan! |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.11 06:59:00 -
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/bump
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:39:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.19 02:51:00 -
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Kikusaku
bhp Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:09:00 -
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I agree this would help smaller corps alot, if it didn't need sov. /signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:35:00 -
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/bump
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.25 05:46:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:42:00 -
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Xindi Kraid
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Posted - 2008.07.30 06:13:00 -
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I would love to see this.
Getting a JC for 0.0 is a pain. I also think it would be cool to be able to transfer JCs between the array and cap ships. That way if you start an op you can grab the clones and move them where they need to be or pick up clones in empire then move them to the POS for use. --Bird of Prey: Forum God
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.02 10:55:00 -
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.08.02 14:04:00 -
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/signed (provided it doesn't need Sov)
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JohnPaulJones
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:51:00 -
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I created a thread about this a few days ago not realizing the idea was already floating around.
I like the biogel idea or more like the ectoplasm already on the market which as we know is used in escape pods therefore would be the ideal material. The idea of various sized and numbers of clones it can hold are great too(but pretty bad we we start setting our own limitations) and it should offer a complete clone service such as replacement clones in the event your jump clone is killed you dont wind up 40 jumps away. Also if the vat goes offline your clone WILL die. The trick will be your replacement clone. It will create serious issues if your clone is at the default because your vat was taken out therefore when that happens your clone is now the default 900,000SP clone and you will need to update it and its location. Lets face it some pilots lack brains otherwise lowsec piracy and empire war would be completey over therefore we'll need a mail system that indicates their clone was killed, where it is and needs an upgrade.
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: JohnPaulJones Edited by: JohnPaulJones on 04/08/2008 18:34:24 Sov should be required otherwise it could create a loophole to make invasion of 0.0 empires too easy,this includes neutral corps who come into an alliance owned system without permission and anchor a tower/Vat with the idea of then joining an alliance hostile to the Sov holder. As for allowing small corps to set up jump clones in empire the standing issue is all the same.They will still need a high corperate standing to be able to set up the tower in faction space so its not a far cry for them to have standing to a corp to allow all their pilots to set up jump clones. Even my corp is hindered by this lack of being able to set up a tower in highsec yet we can still set up jump clones with several NPC corps.
Given that it is a POS Vat, means that you alrady have enough standing to put up a POS, why should the module require SOV?
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JohnPaulJones
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:18:00 -
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Quote: Given that it is a POS Vat, means that you alrady have enough standing to put up a POS, why should the module require SOV?
Am I wrong in my understanding that towers can still be anchored in another alliance space regardless of their standing to the corp anchoring the tower. No the attacking alliance should not have any more ability to set up a clone vat in another alliance turf any more than they should be able to anchor a cyno jammer or generator or capital ship arrays which simply they cant. Creating loopholes makes matters worse,like we need more issues on top of the pile of issues that require balancing.
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Karentaki
Gallente Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.08.04 22:57:00 -
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/signe...
Wait a minute... you're our war targets!
So this is where you've been lurking while in station
... only joking
/signed However, now you are just reading my signature... Or are you...
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akj25
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:34:00 -
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Great idea. This would be so cool /signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.05 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: JohnPaulJones
I created a thread about this a few days ago not realizing the idea was already floating around.
I like the biogel idea or more like the ectoplasm already on the market which as we know is used in escape pods therefore would be the ideal material. The idea of various sized and numbers of clones it can hold are great too(but pretty bad we we start setting our own limitations) and it should offer a complete clone service such as replacement clones in the event your jump clone is killed you dont wind up 40 jumps away. Also if the vat goes offline your clone(s) WILL die. The trick will be your replacement clone. It will create serious issues if your clone is at the default because your vat was taken out therefore when that happens your clone is now the default 900,000SP clone and you will need to update it and its location. Lets face it some pilots lack that very special talent otherwise lowsec piracy and empire war would be completey over therefore we'll need a mail system that indicates their clone was killed, where it is and needs an upgrade.
Sov should be required otherwise it could create a loophole to make invasion of 0.0 empires too easy,this includes neutral corps who come into an alliance owned system without permission and anchor a tower/Vat with the idea of then joining an alliance hostile to the Sov holder. As for allowing small corps to set up jump clones in empire the standing issue is all the same.They will still need a high corperate standing to be able to set up the tower in faction space so its not a far cry for them to have standing to a corp to allow all their pilots to set up jump clones. Even my corp is hindered by this lack of being able to set up a tower in highsec yet we can still set up jump clones with several NPC corps.
And no the vat should not be placed outside the POS shields. Lets assume you just jumped in,your not in a ship. You need a hangar nearby. Now we could make a hangar in the vat large enough to hold escape pods and nothing else but being outside the shields would be a death sentence to any pilot stupid enough to undock if the tower is under siege.If we go with the normal and we dont get an escape pod when we jump in that means we'll have to have our clone vat within range of the ship hangar(s) so we can get access.
I think fitting of the vat should take up a bit of grid and CPU because this device has significan tactical value therefore should make fuel consumption high,specificly the ectoplasm.
I love the idea of POS clone vats and I hope CCP takes another look into the idea.I'm sure they have in the past but I think we are ready.
The awnser to these problems are simple enough:
1) In NPC 0.0 / Low sec - you can deploy it, but at higher logistical needs. 2) In Soved 0.0 you need to be part of the alliance holding sov in that system, the moment you no longer have Sov, the JC Vats go offline. 3) Having the vats on the outside dont make sense, especially as I stated in my original statement that JC Vats will have heavy logistical costs, which means not only maintaing the POS, but also being able to field fewer defenses , making it a soft target.
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Seetesh
Caldari Pixels Docks Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.05 09:37:00 -
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I love this idea and it would be a great help to have a pos capable of this.
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Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.08.07 06:47:00 -
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Freezehunter
Gallente Black Knight Squadron OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:09:00 -
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/signed
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Hitachi Morimoto
Gallente Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:34:00 -
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How about instead of using biogel as the fuel, use frozen corpses?
/Signed. -------------------------------------------------- If tomorrow technically doesn't exist until it happens, then doesn't that beg the askin if today didn't exist yesterday? |
Raven Timoshenko
Flying While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:31:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:13:00 -
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mindseamstress on 17/08/2008 17:05:52
Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Makes things too easy imo Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:37:00 -
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.26 05:32:00 -
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/bump
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:43:00 -
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Aaru
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mindseamstress Makes things too easy imo
Heaven forbid a game be fun and easy.
/Signed
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.12 15:37:00 -
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