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Dionisius
The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 15:57:00 -
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Somewhere in the fringe Period Basis area...
"FN C.D.0306.1650
#FEDERATE GENERAL COMUNICATION#
To all Federate Personell, regarding the recent comunication from the Caldari Draft , all personell is advised to remain clear from Caldari space.
No hostile actions towards personell or ships from Caldari origins are authorized, non sanctioned actions within Federate Space will be prosecuted with prejudice for the responsable parties and all off foreign operations will not be recognized or supported by federate authorities.
#COMUNICATION END.# _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Dionisius
The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:48:00 -
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Galnet link..estabished.
MARTIAL LAW Declared
President Foiritan declares martial law on caldari prime
2008.06.03 16:47:15 | NEW Luminaire - Stating that "all other options have failed", President Foiritan declared a state of martial law on Caldari Prime. The order sets an enforceable curfew on all Caldari expatriates, requiring them to stay in their homes within established "expatriate zones". Reports from the surface indicate that Federation municipal police have resorted to deadly force in "numerous" incidents already, with casualty numbers estimated to be "in the hundreds". Police are also actively blockading Caldari neighborhoods in the metropolis cities of Tovil and Arcurio, surrounding them with barriers and effectively isolating the entire Caldari population of the planet into segregated pockets.
"We have exhausted all other means of quelling the violence," President Foiritan stated. "Martial law is a last resort to protect those who want nothing to do with the bigotry plaguing our nations. But it appears there are some individuals who are determined to spread as much mayhem as possible, and I hold Tibus Heth directly responsible for inciting it. We have repeatedly stated that the Malkalen disaster was a rogue act. And though we may never know the reasons for Admiral Noir's actions, what we do now will define how our nations move forward. I implore all of you on Caldari Prime, and indeed everywhere in both nations, to reconsider any acts of aggression. Our wounds will heal, but it is going to take time."
Dionisius takes a sip from his glass...
Oh boy...its going to be a long day. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Melichor Duraldi
Fourth Circle Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:51:00 -
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To be honest I am not really surprised at what is happening. It really was an eye opener moving out into "lawless" space. Only by being out here is it easy to see the strings controlling the puppets.
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Gaius Proeliator
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:59:00 -
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The Gallente are such hypocrites. President Foiritain denounces bigotry, while at the same time rounding up and segregating Caldari expats? If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what it is.
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Demon Nuzzle
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius Galnet link..estabished.
MARTIAL LAW Declared
President Foiritan declares martial law on caldari prime
2008.06.03 16:47:15 | NEW Luminaire - Stating that "all other options have failed", President Foiritan declared a state of martial law on Caldari Prime. The order sets an enforceable curfew on all Caldari expatriates, requiring them to stay in their homes within established "expatriate zones". Reports from the surface indicate that Federation municipal police have resorted to deadly force in "numerous" incidents already, with casualty numbers estimated to be "in the hundreds". Police are also actively blockading Caldari neighborhoods in the metropolis cities of Tovil and Arcurio, surrounding them with barriers and effectively isolating the entire Caldari population of the planet into segregated pockets.
"We have exhausted all other means of quelling the violence," President Foiritan stated. "Martial law is a last resort to protect those who want nothing to do with the bigotry plaguing our nations. But it appears there are some individuals who are determined to spread as much mayhem as possible, and I hold Tibus Heth directly responsible for inciting it. We have repeatedly stated that the Malkalen disaster was a rogue act. And though we may never know the reasons for Admiral Noir's actions, what we do now will define how our nations move forward. I implore all of you on Caldari Prime, and indeed everywhere in both nations, to reconsider any acts of aggression. Our wounds will heal, but it is going to take time."
Dionisius takes a sip from his glass...
Oh boy...its going to be a long day.
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Dionisius
The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Proeliator The Gallente are such hypocrites. President Foiritain denounces bigotry, while at the same time rounding up and segregating Caldari expats? If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what it is.
We Gallente still welcome people from ALL races to come into our borders.
We Gallente received the expatriates of the Heth regime with welcome arms and nothing more.
We Gallente did offer assistance and were told " back off from our space ".
We Gallente lost people also in the Malkalen disaster, yet we rushed in presenting our help to aid the survivors without regarding their origins.
Indeed such hypocrites we are. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 04/06/2008 02:33:30
Originally by: Gaius Proeliator The Gallente are such hypocrites. President Foiritain denounces bigotry, while at the same time rounding up and segregating Caldari expats? If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what it is.
Unless I am gravely mistaken, the martial law is enforced upon all people living on Caldari Prime, while at that same time President Foiritain suggested to the Caldari people to stay within their homes (and appointed territories) to avoid further provocations from the rest of the population.
And now tell me how much of a bigot is Mr Heth, who enforces the Gallente expatriates to get out of Caldari space and while doing that they are forced, by your armed forces no less, to give away all their belongings to the State.
How would you feel if the roles were reversed Mr Gaius? You really dare to compare the actions taken by Foiritain and Heth, and declare that Heth is doing the right thing? ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
And now tell me how much of a bigot is Mr Heth, who enforces the Gallente expatriates to get out of Caldari space and while doing that they are forced, by your armed forces no less, to give away all their belongings to the State.
How would you feel if the roles were reversed Mr Gaius? You really dare to compare the actions taken by Foiritain and Heth, and declare that Heth is doing the right thing?
Curious, where you born on Gallente Prime? I wasn't born on Caldari Prime, neither was Gaius. Most Caldari were not. Did our families get to keep their belongings, their homes when they evacuated Caldari Prime to avoid orbital bombardment by the Federation Navy? They were lucky to escape with their lives.
Those Gallente leaving the State are doing so of their own accord. They are not being forced to leave, they are welcome to submit to a through investigation of their employment background, family history, and any and all contacts to continue to work in the State. They are being isolated until such a time as their backgrounds are clear in order to ensure the safety of themselves and their neighbors.
It must be nice to have the prominent cluster media outlet supporting your views. But I guess you don't watch Echelon News; they are putting a much different view on the situation. Life in the State is improving for the average employee, stocks are up, and more and more people are employed. The instances reported by Scope in regards to donations from Gallente leaving the State are a rarity. Most of those abandoning their jobs are not paying a thing for the transport out of the State. The CPD is asking for donations for the service they are providing for those Gallente wishing to relocate to the Federation. Those donations for the service are rare. But I would not expect you to accept this view. You would much rather have a big bad Tibus Heth leading the greedy State.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Curious, where you born on Gallente Prime? I wasn't born on Caldari Prime, neither was Gaius. Most Caldari were not. Did our families get to keep their belongings, their homes when they evacuated Caldari Prime to avoid orbital bombardment by the Federation Navy? They were lucky to escape with their lives.
Those Gallente leaving the State are doing so of their own accord. They are not being forced to leave, they are welcome to submit to a through investigation of their employment background, family history, and any and all contacts to continue to work in the State. They are being isolated until such a time as their backgrounds are clear in order to ensure the safety of themselves and their neighbors.
It must be nice to have the prominent cluster media outlet supporting your views. But I guess you don't watch Echelon News; they are putting a much different view on the situation. Life in the State is improving for the average employee, stocks are up, and more and more people are employed. The instances reported by Scope in regards to donations from Gallente leaving the State are a rarity. Most of those abandoning their jobs are not paying a thing for the transport out of the State. The CPD is asking for donations for the service they are providing for those Gallente wishing to relocate to the Federation. Those donations for the service are rare. But I would not expect you to accept this view. You would much rather have a big bad Tibus Heth leading the greedy State.
Was i born in Gallente Prime? No. Should that make me less of a Gallente? No it doesn't.
Did someone plunged a capital on a city (full of civilians) so that he can give some time to his fellow countrymen to escape Caldari Prime before the bombardment initiated? Yes.
Are you trying to tell me that the scared Gallente that were saying on the media that they were enforced to leave their homes in Caldari space (even if not outright enforced, we know what is the goal of the measures Heth announced), were outright lying that they were forced to sign away their belongings?
Do you remember why the fascist regime of Gallente Federation (at that time) show the public opinion to swift in favor of the bombardment and a full out war with the once upon a time collaborators of the Federation?
Are you really that eager to see people suffering once again, because a selected few are that trigger happy?
As for the comments of life in State for the simple worker are getting better day by day, i find them laughable and a part of your media propaganda. Especially seeing that Heth hasn't even bothered to address these problems, but instead chose to blame the Federation for them.
I see warmongers not greedy people. I see people that haven't ever experienced war, to crave and pull the strings towards one.
As one ancient Gallente said "War is sweet to those that have never tasted it".
Remember that in the future. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Are you trying to tell me that the scared Gallente that were saying on the media that they were enforced to leave their homes in Caldari space (even if not outright enforced, we know what is the goal of the measures Heth announced), were outright lying that they were forced to sign away their belongings?
I will refer you to my previous statement.
Originally by: "Dex Nederland" The instances reported by Scope in regards to donations from Gallente leaving the State are a rarity. Most of those abandoning their jobs are not paying a thing for the transport out of the State. The CPD is asking for donations for the service they are providing for those Gallente wishing to relocate to the Federation. Those donations for the service are rare.
Now I can understand you not accepting this based solely on the Scope report, but every media outlet in history has applied 'spin' to its coverage. The Scope is very much spinning this to make the State out to be the aggressor.
Originally by: "Mithrantir Ob'lontra" Do you remember why the fascist regime of Gallente Federation (at that time) show the public opinion to swift in favor of the bombardment and a full out war with the once upon a time collaborators of the Federation?
Can't say I do since I wasn't born yet, although I am certain the late Admiral Noir did.
Originally by: "Mithrantir Ob'lontra" Are you really that eager to see people suffering once again, because a selected few are that trigger happy?
Eager to see people suffer, no. I am eager to serve my corporation and the State. To this point not even the Scope has suggested that Tibus Heth, the CPD, or CEP are planning to take offensive actions. The draft is meant to ensure the State's security and sovereignty, least the Federation decide to enforce its will on the State.
Originally by: "Mithrantir Ob'lontra" As for the comments of life in State for the simple worker are getting better day by day, i find them laughable and a part of your media propaganda. Especially seeing that Heth hasn't even bothered to address these problems, but instead chose to blame the Federation for them.
Well if the Scope doesn't report it, it must not exist!
Why would the Scope, a news organization that clearly wants to paint Tibus Heth in a poor light, actually show that his initiatives within the State are producing the desired/promised results? Perhaps you should not buy into your own media propaganda as much, or maybe even just try and peel back the surface layer of the information provided. You might find that even the Scope provides some information on the reversal of the State and its citizens' fortunes.
Originally by: "Mithrantir Ob'lontra" I see warmongers not greedy people. I see people that haven't ever experienced war, to crave and pull the strings towards one.
As one ancient Gallente said "War is sweet to those that have never tasted it".
Remember that in the future.
Admiral Noir, sure as the seven hells, knew what war was like. Yet he is the very one that destroyed the opportunity for peace and increased cooperation between the State and Federation. I see warmongers too, only I see most of them across the border itching to enforce Gallente freedoms and liberties on the corporations and people of the State.
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Gaius Proeliator
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Proeliator on 04/06/2008 15:11:03
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 04/06/2008 02:33:30
Originally by: Gaius Proeliator The Gallente are such hypocrites. President Foiritain denounces bigotry, while at the same time rounding up and segregating Caldari expats? If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what it is.
Unless I am gravely mistaken, the martial law is enforced upon all people living on Caldari Prime, while at that same time President Foiritain suggested to the Caldari people to stay within their homes (and appointed territories) to avoid further provocations from the rest of the population.
Please read the first paragraph of the news report again.
Originally by: Dionisius
Luminaire - Stating that "all other options have failed", President Foiritan declared a state of martial law on Caldari Prime. The order sets an enforceable curfew on all Caldari expatriates, requiring them to stay in their homes within established "expatriate zones". Reports from the surface indicate that Federation municipal police have resorted to deadly force in "numerous" incidents already, with casualty numbers estimated to be "in the hundreds". Police are also actively blockading Caldari neighborhoods in the metropolis cities of Tovil and Arcurio, surrounding them with barriers and effectively isolating the entire Caldari population of the planet into segregated pockets.
Use of deadly force hundreds of casualties is not "suggesting." That's just more Gallente oppression of free Caldari, the same as before the last great war. Get off your high horse and come join the rest of us in reality. Your government is no better than mine; at least Heth is working towards protecting Caldari sovereignty. The Federation government is working towards stripping away that sovereignty.
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Nachshon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:42:00 -
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Regarding the casualty figures, what exactly is the population of Caldari Prime? If it is in the hundreds of millions or higher, than any level of civil uprising would bring about hundreds of casualties. Remember that "casualties" can include wounded as well as killed. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.05 19:02:00 -
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The capsuleer empires watch closely those events.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: "Mithrantir Ob'lontra" I see warmongers not greedy people. I see people that haven't ever experienced war, to crave and pull the strings towards one.
As one ancient Gallente said "War is sweet to those that have never tasted it".
Remember that in the future.
Admiral Noir, sure as the seven hells, knew what war was like. Yet he is the very one that destroyed the opportunity for peace and increased cooperation between the State and Federation. I see warmongers too, only I see most of them across the border itching to enforce Gallente freedoms and liberties on the corporations and people of the State.
If you think that i am referring only to Caldari people you are gravely mistaken.
I see warmongers in all nations.
I also sense a plan behind this series of events throughout the Universe. We are watching a series of old wounds bleeding again. Should i say as events unfold, history repeats itself in different flavors. Warmongers in both nations are nothing but tools. Tools of change indeed but the mind that drives them has one purpose. This is remain to be seen.
So far one thing happened and the whole balance destroyed. Someone put Heth in charge of Ytiri Warehouse. Why? Because Heth as a leader of a strike at one of the Corporations industrial sites, fighting for the rights of the workers and their living conditions, managing to plummet the price of the Corp stocks. An unknown investor managed to buy off the majority of stocks. Someone who put Heth as the representing person ( I doubt you even believe that the secret investor did not receive something in return).
I smell something but i can't define what it is. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Proeliator Edited by: Gaius Proeliator on 04/06/2008 15:42:48 Edited by: Gaius Proeliator on 04/06/2008 15:11:03
Use of deadly force and hundreds of casualties is not "suggesting." That's just more Gallente oppression of free Caldari, the same as before the last great war. Get off your high horse and come join the rest of us in reality. Your government is no better than mine; at least Heth is working towards protecting Caldari sovereignty. The Federation government is working towards stripping away that sovereignty.
Unless i am mistaken, we were facing riots on Caldari Prime. Riots that no matter started what, there are people getting hurt from both sides. Government must make sure that all citizens don't have to fear for their lives.
At this certain incident hot headed residents of the planet, have been acting violently against residents of the planet based on their ethnicity.
I am very concerned by these events and in total disagreement with the people that violate the right to peace and life to other people.
President Foiritan dared to do the most logical thing since the situation is out of hand. Placed the planet under military law, which is meant to stop and discourage people from gatherings and events that took place so far (Caldari people and properties being attacked).
Since there is a certain characteristic that defines the offended people, strategically speaking (hey the commanding officers are army officers) the best solution to protect them is to confine them to a defended section. Wouldn't you use the same tactic?
Or would you use the tactics of Mr Heth? ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 06/06/2008 00:13:43
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra So far one thing happened and the whole balance destroyed. Someone put Heth in charge of Ytiri Warehouse. Why? Because Heth as a leader of a strike at one of the Corporations industrial sites, fighting for the rights of the workers and their living conditions, managing to plummet the price of the Corp stocks. An unknown investor managed to buy off the majority of stocks. Someone who put Heth as the representing person ( I doubt you even believe that the secret investor did not receive something in return).
I smell something but i can't define what it is.
I think Heth's backer(s) are getting exactly what they want. They want to return to the Caldari a sense of pride in their history and tradition. They want to see the State returned to a strong nation both militarily and economically.
The idea of the individual benefiting over the whole is a foreign idea for the Caldari. It is these foreign ideas, these Gallente ideas, that an individual is more important than the whole, that Heth (and his backers) railed against in his first speech. We (the Caldari) do not think like you (the Gallente), we have a different culture and mindset.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland Edited by: Dex Nederland on 06/06/2008 00:13:43
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra So far one thing happened and the whole balance destroyed. Someone put Heth in charge of Ytiri Warehouse. Why? Because Heth as a leader of a strike at one of the Corporations industrial sites, fighting for the rights of the workers and their living conditions, managing to plummet the price of the Corp stocks. An unknown investor managed to buy off the majority of stocks. Someone who put Heth as the representing person ( I doubt you even believe that the secret investor did not receive something in return).
I smell something but i can't define what it is.
I think Heth's backer(s) are getting exactly what they want. They want to return to the Caldari a sense of pride in their history and tradition. They want to see the State returned to a strong nation both militarily and economically.
The idea of the individual benefiting over the whole is a foreign idea for the Caldari. It is these foreign ideas, these Gallente ideas, that an individual is more important than the whole, that Heth (and his backers) railed against in his first speech. We (the Caldari) do not think like you (the Gallente), we have a different culture and mindset.
Do you all Caldari have a tape with these and play it every time you feel like it? And you say that I am blinded by media, when you can't see past their propaganda far worse than I do.
So far the "oppressive" Gallente have been willing only to help Caldari state and not devour it, as far as the events go. We are extending an empty hand, and you act as if it's a weapon loaded. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.06 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Do you all Caldari have a tape with these and play it every time you feel like it? And you say that I am blinded by media, when you can't see past their propaganda far worse than I do.
So far the "oppressive" Gallente have been willing only to help Caldari state and not devour it, as far as the events go. We are extending an empty hand, and you act as if it's a weapon loaded.
We repeat it because it is the truth. We wouldn't have survived as a race if we did not put the good of the whole above that of the individual.
I am fairly certain there is recent precedent for what appears to be an empty hand turning out to be a loaded weapon.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
We repeat it because it is the truth. We wouldn't have survived as a race if we did not put the good of the whole above that of the individual.
I am fairly certain there is recent precedent for what appears to be an empty hand turning out to be a loaded weapon.
Truth is a very subjective issue Mr Dex. The message is always filtered when received. Unconsciously more often than not. One time you have to try and distance yourself from being you. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
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