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Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
395
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:41:00 -
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*WITHOUT PREJUDICE*
En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.
let me drop character for a second and bear with me - THIS NEEDS DISCUSSION.
i run a multi-million dollar software company - mittens retiring is nothing. i understand i am slightly dislexic when it comes to keybaord typing, but never the less, i am sure of what i say.
the EULA does not discuss spam quantity. the EULA does not discuss spam frequency.
the poasts in the forum about trebor's spam state (and i summarise for clarity OF YOU MITTENS PUBBIES - mittens himself or my own lawyers can clarify if you require):
its ok for a candidate to mail people as long as it is the candidate - it also says not more than once, but in a campage it would be safe to 'assume' that once per day is reasonable until the vote opens - so once must mean not more than once per day.
so.... according to cccp, i am able to send the same mail, daily, for my candidacy for csm 8. thats a long time - 365 days to be prescise.
i would really hate for anyone in TEST or GOOSESWAMP to wake up to this 'open door'
i hope ccp wake up. EULA and NDA are not tools to hide behind - they are 'legal' obligations. i know of a lawyer so successful that he retired. maybe he would like one last case............maybe he will take mine. MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
230
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:50:00 -
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[this comment would be really good in Dutch but sadly does not translate to English and retain its original quality - 'Brandstapel' was involved']
To summarize : Yes FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
395
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:51:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN PERHAP FUR CSM8 WE HAFIGN 500 CANDATE - ALLES OF THEM TEST OR GOOSESWAMP AND ALLES OF THEM STRAT TO AMIL STRAIGHT AWAY .
ALSO SERIOS CANDATE NEEDTO CAMPAGNE.
ALSO MAYBE MINE GOAT MAKE TUNE TO EVEMAIL WITH - GOAT IST VER SERIOS POLLYTICITANS.
KEEP UP THE GOOD POASTIGN! MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
395
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Posted - 2012.03.09 11:52:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:[this comment would be really good in Dutch but sadly does not translate to English and retain its original quality - 'Brandstapel' was involved']
To summarize : Yes
IT IS INDEED A NASTI BOMBFIRE.
MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1360
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:31:00 -
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Mintrolio wrote:let me drop character for a second and bear with me -.
This is a sad day. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
398
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:33:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Mintrolio wrote:let me drop character for a second and bear with me -. This is a sad day.
CONFRIMIGN IS SADS DAYS THET CCCP DO LETTIGN THIS THING TO HAPPENS.
I NO YOU IS AGRE TO.
GOOD LUCK YOU DIRTY -A- TURNSCOAT TO 'pl'.
KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN! MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
399
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Posted - 2012.03.09 12:46:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN I WISHIGN I NEFER STRAT THESE POAST.
ALSO KNOW I TRY TO SLEEP BUT ALLES I THINKIGN OF IST 3000 TEST AND 3000 GOON ALLES SENDIGN ME 6000 MAIL EVER DAY FUR THE CSM8 CANDATESY.
IS TERRIBEL (BUT VALID) NITEMARES.
KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN! MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1932
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Posted - 2012.03.09 14:58:00 -
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Let me go into character for a moment:
IZ FEELIGN U OVRESTATE ZE PUROBLEM.
TUNE IZ KANDIDAYTE WEN AKCEPTAD BI CCP.
SO MALEING ONLI DURIGN ERECTIONS.
AND ONLI WUN MALE TU A TUNE IF PUSSYABLE.
UDDERWIZE CCP DIAGORAS BANHAMMUR UR ASS.
TREBOR FUR CSM7 The Polls are open! Click here to vote for Trebor *-áMy Election Thread * Voter's Guide |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:07:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Let me go into character for a moment:
Confirming this is in character as it showed up in all of my characters' inboxes. |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
101
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:08:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Let me go into character for a moment:
IZ FEELIGN U OVRESTATE ZE PUROBLEM.
TUNE IZ KANDIDAYTE WEN AKCEPTAD BI CCP.
SO MALEING ONLI DURIGN ERECTIONS.
AND ONLI WUN MALE TU A TUNE IF PUSSYABLE.
UDDERWIZE CCP DIAGORAS BANHAMMUR UR ASS.
TREBOR FUR CSM7
Dude...you're not doing it right..
Would you like a kitten? |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
828
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:19:00 -
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TL:DR
TREBOR DOING SOMETHING HE DID LAST YEAR
ONLY THIS YEAR ITS DIFFERENT BECAUSE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHO GETS ELECTED
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
372
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:38:00 -
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Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right? ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
101
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:13:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right?
uh oh....
Would you like a kitten? |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:31:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right?
He can't win the personality prize now no matter what happens.
The goofy and occasionally amusing all caps badposter persona is gone.
He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough.
He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?)
Then he threatens CCP with lawyers...
He clearly needs new lawyers if he thinks that the EULA is a legal obligation in anything like the same way as "killing people is illegal when it is not in the defense of self or others or ones property or others." (Yes, I live in Texas.)
Plus, the EULA is an agreement between CCP and the customer. It's THEIR EULA, mhmm.
The best choice, imo, is to NOT be so vigilant and so ready to be offended in the first place. If you feel badly and angry about this it is PURELY by YOUR choice. I just deleted them and moved on.
Another answer to this problem would be to report the spam if one feels it is such and let CCP deal with it. (They already did and said limited campaign spam is allowed.)
You received in game emails campaigning at election time. Who cares? As Malcanis said, reflecting thousands of years of the same sentiment, it must be nice that this is the most important thing in some people's lives that they have the time and inclination to be SO angry and SO up in arms about something that doesn't even qualify as a fart in a tornado.
Trebor sending a round or tow of election campaign spam doesn't matter a rat's ass in the long run.
Why can't people save all this for something that actually matters to the game?
Lawyers? Really? For a minor EULA complaint? REALLY? Shoobie doobie doobie. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
373
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:17:00 -
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Macon Chalaise wrote: He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough.
He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?)
First Statement Reply: Seriosuly? (oh sorry bout the pun) The only thing I can take him to be is a (CENSORED) ****** but thats just me.
Second Statement Reply: Read first statement and then tell me that again.
As to the spam...there's a difference between screaming about being spammed by that idiot who calls himself a cannidate...and the fact CCP left a gaping doors worth of an exploit that can be used to make our lives a living hell when it comes to abuse of eve mail.
Spam by definition is unsolciated unaturhozied *did not give permission* unwelcome mail (electronic or not)...by that defiintion....its spam....end of discussion.
As to how people react...well that is their right is it not? No different than you calling them foolish for that right.
That is a contradiction to be sure. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:20:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Macon Chalaise wrote: He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough.
He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?)
First Statement Reply: Seriosuly? (oh sorry bout the pun) The only thing I can take him to be is a (CENSORED) ****** but thats just me. Second Statement Reply: Read first statement and then tell me that again. As to the spam...there's a difference between screaming about being spammed by that idiot who calls himself a cannidate...and the fact CCP left a gaping doors worth of an exploit that can be used to make our lives a living hell when it comes to abuse of eve mail. Spam by definition is unsolciated unaturhozied *did not give permission* unwelcome mail (electronic or not)...by that defiintion....its spam....end of discussion. As to how people react...well that is their right is it not? No different than you calling them foolish for that right. That is a contrdiction to be sure.
Um, sure...
Shoobie doobie doobie. |
Takashi Kaeda
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:53:00 -
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The trouble with posting gimmicks is that inevitably they get old and you need to leave them behind.
Today, Mintrolio died. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
375
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:00:00 -
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Macon Chalaise wrote: Um, sure...You sound just like Mintrolio and you feel the need to justify your attitude...with more name calling and meanness to support your emotional, not logical, position.
Pot...Meet kettle. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:19:00 -
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Okay, let's lay some ground rules for the rest of this election.
1. Mintrolio is not allowed to drop character. 2. Trebor is not allowed to go into character.
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Ovidia Rhianon
Wolves and Knights The Irukandji
8
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:58:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Okay, let's lay some ground rules for the rest of this election.
1. Mintrolio is not allowed to drop character. 2. Trebor is not allowed to go into character.
QFT |
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Glistening Bravado
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:40:00 -
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Mintrolio wrote:
let me drop character for a second and bear with me - THIS NEEDS DISCUSSION.
Oh why did you ruin this for me, Mintrolio.
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:12:00 -
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roleplaying is gay |
FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:12:00 -
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mlmp |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
257
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Posted - 2012.03.09 23:24:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote: Dude...you're not doing it right..
^^^^QFT^^^
There can be only ONE! In irae, veritas. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
498
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:53:00 -
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Can you wire me, multi-thousands from your company? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Omega Flames
Ardent Spirits Initiative Mercenaries
21
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Posted - 2012.03.12 05:38:00 -
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Macon Chalaise wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right? TBH, plenty of people who started or complained in a "boo hoo trebor spammed his campaign" thread look like a 3 year olds. Mintrolio can't win the personality prize now no matter what happens. The goofy and occasionally amusing all caps badposter persona is gone. He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough. He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?) Then he threatens CCP with lawyers... He may need new lawyers if he thinks that the EULA is a legal obligation in anything like the same way as "killing people is illegal when it is not in the defense of self or others or ones property or others." (Yes, I live in Texas.) The EULA is an agreement between CCP and the customer. It's THEIR EULA, mhmm. The best choice, imo, is to NOT be so vigilant and so ready to be offended in the first place. If you feel badly and angry about this it is PURELY by YOUR choice. I just deleted the emails and moved on. Another answer to this problem would be to report the spam if one feels it is such and let CCP deal with it. (They already did and said limited campaign spam is allowed.) You received in game emails campaigning at election time. Who cares? As Malcanis said, reflecting thousands of years of the same sentiment, it must be nice that this is the most important thing in some people's lives that they have the time and inclination to be SO angry and SO upset about something that doesn't even qualify as a fart in a tornado. Trebor sending a round or two of election campaign spam doesn't matter a rat's ass in the long run. Why can't people save all this for something that actually matters to the game? Lawyers? Really? For a minor EULA complaint? REALLY? minor EULA violation is still a EULA violation. The only reason CCP gets away with it is because they understand that it's simply not cost effective to sue them for when they violate their own EULA. A GM once forced me to edit certain words out of my bio. I contacted a lawyer in the USA and even thou I live extremely close to their Atlanta office it would still cost me a few hundred dollars to sue them for violating my freedom of speech rights. I might get that money back when I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does. |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.12 13:16:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Macon Chalaise wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right? TBH, plenty of people who started or complained in a "boo hoo trebor spammed his campaign" thread look like a 3 year olds. Mintrolio can't win the personality prize now no matter what happens. The goofy and occasionally amusing all caps badposter persona is gone. He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough. He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?) Then he threatens CCP with lawyers... He may need new lawyers if he thinks that the EULA is a legal obligation in anything like the same way as "killing people is illegal when it is not in the defense of self or others or ones property or others." (Yes, I live in Texas.) The EULA is an agreement between CCP and the customer. It's THEIR EULA, mhmm. The best choice, imo, is to NOT be so vigilant and so ready to be offended in the first place. If you feel badly and angry about this it is PURELY by YOUR choice. I just deleted the emails and moved on. Another answer to this problem would be to report the spam if one feels it is such and let CCP deal with it. (They already did and said limited campaign spam is allowed.) You received in game emails campaigning at election time. Who cares? As Malcanis said, reflecting thousands of years of the same sentiment, it must be nice that this is the most important thing in some people's lives that they have the time and inclination to be SO angry and SO upset about something that doesn't even qualify as a fart in a tornado. Trebor sending a round or two of election campaign spam doesn't matter a rat's ass in the long run. Why can't people save all this for something that actually matters to the game? Lawyers? Really? For a minor EULA complaint? REALLY? minor EULA violation is still a EULA violation. The only reason CCP gets away with it is because they understand that it's simply not cost effective to sue them for when they violate their own EULA. A GM once forced me to edit certain words out of my bio. I contacted a lawyer in the USA and even thou I live extremely close to their Atlanta office it would still cost me a few hundred dollars to sue them for violating my freedom of speech rights. I might get that money back when I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does.
More than a few game companies, including Blizzard and Bioware censor and control what players put in their forum posts and their character information such as bios and names. MMOs are not havens for free speech any more than movie theaters are.
I am not a lawyer so I am wondering: What are the areas in which this lawyer practices and what did they tell you was the basis for pursuing your suit?
P.S. A quote of what words they wanted you to remove should be perfectly permissible as long as you say no more than "this is the text in question: [INSERT TEXT HERE]." If you will post that, we can get a better idea of how really egregious was CCPs EULA violation.
P.P.S. Threatening with lawyers is not something to be done lightly. The policy at every company I ever worked for was that if a client EVER used the "lawyer" word in a threatening manner, all further discussion with that client was to be handled by the legal department. That weeds out the posers extremely quickly. MMOs often feel like clearing houses for persons not only vigilant for offense but ready to embrace said offense with the greatest enthusiasm as a crack addict embraces the rock. -áThese persons seek not for resolution of the issues for which they express concern as much as for the feeling of the emotions themselves, emotions they are usually loath to relinquish. |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:40:00 -
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Macon Chalaise wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Macon Chalaise wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Mintrollo - you do realize that your making yourself look like a 3 year old right? TBH, plenty of people who started or complained in a "boo hoo trebor spammed his campaign" thread look like a 3 year olds. Mintrolio can't win the personality prize now no matter what happens. The goofy and occasionally amusing all caps badposter persona is gone. He indicates he wants to be taken seriously by talking out of character. Fair enough. He indicates that we should take him extra seriously because he runs a multi-million dollar software company. (Relevance?) Then he threatens CCP with lawyers... He may need new lawyers if he thinks that the EULA is a legal obligation in anything like the same way as "killing people is illegal when it is not in the defense of self or others or ones property or others." (Yes, I live in Texas.) The EULA is an agreement between CCP and the customer. It's THEIR EULA, mhmm. The best choice, imo, is to NOT be so vigilant and so ready to be offended in the first place. If you feel badly and angry about this it is PURELY by YOUR choice. I just deleted the emails and moved on. Another answer to this problem would be to report the spam if one feels it is such and let CCP deal with it. (They already did and said limited campaign spam is allowed.) You received in game emails campaigning at election time. Who cares? As Malcanis said, reflecting thousands of years of the same sentiment, it must be nice that this is the most important thing in some people's lives that they have the time and inclination to be SO angry and SO upset about something that doesn't even qualify as a fart in a tornado. Trebor sending a round or two of election campaign spam doesn't matter a rat's ass in the long run. Why can't people save all this for something that actually matters to the game? Lawyers? Really? For a minor EULA complaint? REALLY? minor EULA violation is still a EULA violation. The only reason CCP gets away with it is because they understand that it's simply not cost effective to sue them for when they violate their own EULA. A GM once forced me to edit certain words out of my bio. I contacted a lawyer in the USA and even thou I live extremely close to their Atlanta office it would still cost me a few hundred dollars to sue them for violating my freedom of speech rights. I might get that money back when I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does. More than a few game companies, including Blizzard and Bioware, censor and control what players say in chat, put in their forum posts and their character information such as bios and names. MMOs are not havens for free speech any more than movie theaters are. I am not a lawyer so I am wondering: What are the areas in which this lawyer practices and what did they tell you was the basis for pursuing your suit? P.S. A quote of what words they wanted you to remove should be perfectly permissible as long as you say no more than "this is the text in question: [INSERT TEXT HERE]." If you will post that, we can get a better idea of how really egregious was CCPs EULA violation. P.P.S. Threatening with lawyers is not something to be done lightly. The policy at every company I ever worked for was that if a client EVER used the "lawyer" word in a threatening manner, all further discussion with that client was to be handled by the legal department. That weeds out the posers extremely quickly.
Beuller...Beuller...Beuller... MMOs often feel like clearing houses for persons not only vigilant for offense but ready to embrace said offense with the greatest enthusiasm as a crack addict embraces the rock. -áThese persons seek not for resolution of the issues for which they express concern as much as for the feeling of the emotions themselves, emotions they are usually loath to relinquish. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:27:00 -
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FOl2TY8 wrote:roleplaying is gay
Its good to see such well expressed and obviously well thought out arguments from the members of Goonswarm. It really does answer the question of how someone like The Mittani actually made it onto the CSM in the first place. Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7!
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:FOl2TY8 wrote:roleplaying is gay Its good to see such well expressed and obviously well thought out arguments from the members of Goonswarm. It really does answer the question of how someone like The Mittani actually made it onto the CSM in the first place. we're all gay |
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