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Kassidus
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:04:00 -
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I want to take part in FW so what if im in an alliance Idont want to leave my corp ive been there like 2 and a half years, and Im sorry but I cant afford an Alt just to go do this besides what would be the point anything i gained would be wasted on an alt.
An yes I read CCP's lame excuses for not allowing people in alliances to participate and im sorry that is redonculous! why does it have to do anything with corps or alliances its a militia! why cant I cant i do a little freelancing on the side , make it liek missions talk to an agent join up for an hour or 2 or 3 whatever for some fun, then when your done go back to what it was you were doing untill next time.
This seems really poorly thought out.
"ooo we want people to get out of starter corps"..."I know lets adda massive game altering feature that will force people into starter corps" ..."Yeah FTW"!!
Seriously I was so excited by this next patch but there may aswell not even be one for all the good it will do me.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:06:00 -
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Wait... what?
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:12:00 -
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Here is an example of yet another ill-informed opinion.
Its true - everyone does have one, not all good or well informed. Moving along class, we'll see if we can't find evidence in these forums of Trolls....
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Kassidus
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One Here is an example of yet another ill-informed opinion.
Its true - everyone does have one, not all good or well informed. Moving along class, we'll see if we can't find evidence in these forums of Trolls....
sorry where am I wrong, can I participate in FW while in an alliance ? or am i wrong ? if im wrong great ! i clearly missread something ?
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus I want to take part in FW so what if im in an alliance Idont want to leave my corp ive been there like 2 and a half years, and Im sorry but I cant afford an Alt just to go do this besides what would be the point anything i gained would be wasted on an alt.
An yes I read CCP's lame excuses for not allowing people in alliances to participate and im sorry that is redonculous! why does it have to do anything with corps or alliances its a militia! why cant I cant i do a little freelancing on the side , make it liek missions talk to an agent join up for an hour or 2 or 3 whatever for some fun, then when your done go back to what it was you were doing untill next time.
This seems really poorly thought out.
"ooo we want people to get out of starter corps"..."I know lets adda massive game altering feature that will force people into starter corps" ..."Yeah FTW"!!
Seriously I was so excited by this next patch but there may aswell not even be one for all the good it will do me.
Yep, this expansion is the worst idea CCP has come up with since the T2 BPO lottery.
How they react to it's imminent failure (released 6/10, irrelevant by 6/15 is my prediction) will tell us whether they can learn from a mistake, or will compound it with more of them. EVE will either grow better or failure cascade like SWG.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:16:00 -
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This thread shows exactly what sucks about everyone having an opinion.
To the OP, did you read the Dev blog on the issue, or are you simply sharing your rather ill-informed option with us?
If you've read the Dev Blog have you actually considered what CCP Greyscale wrote, because your initial post is somewhat lacking any meaningful comments on why CCP went this route.
If you've actually considered what CCP Greyscale wrote, could you kindly share some of your illuminated reasons for rejecting CCP's reasons and share some of your posed solutions?
If not, kindly keep your cynical opinion to yourself. Any one with a heartbeat can complain, but it takes a real brainwave to to contribute insightfully to a dialog.
Unless you've considered the reasons behind the decision (and you apparently haven't b/c you seem to exhibit no awareness of why CCP is going this route what-so-ever) you should remain silent, else show the community that yet another mindless pilot is capable of speaking before thinking (we have too many of those types already!)
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 04/06/2008 17:19:07
I don't know what all CCP has said overall on the forums about why you can't be in a alliance and in FW at the same time - but I think the primary concern is to keep pilots from 0.0 alliances from switching out from 0.0 to high-sec to do FW all the time instead - which would kill off 0.0 warfare, cause balance issues between the existing alliances, and would cause empire space to become even more overpopulated than it already is.
I think CCP said they were going to see about making it more accommodating for pilots in the future in light of this, but they do not want to make it where FW would kill off 0.0 warfare - which I think is a good idea; it's a lot better to keep FW from killing that, than letting it just for the sake of making things easier for people to get into it.
Though there is excessive crying about FW, though I have not spoken my negative feelings about it on the forums so far - I actually am concerned, and every true player should be to a degree, but I'm going to trust CCP for now. This tends to be a very shaky topic in MMORPGS and will and can make or break - most know what I mean by that and have probably observed this happen in many other games.
I'm hoping that it either works and dosn't dumb down PvP, or in the least dosn't dumb down PvP or hurt anything else - even though it may be a flop and no one likes it.
Some people on these forums think that it should restrict ships, basically be instanced, and disallow too much blobbing, and that alliances should be allowed in. That would appease those few people - but could effectively kill off a lot of 0.0 warfare, and it would make PvP very soft, controlled, and repetitive - it would literally turn into WoW's BG system.
I rather FW suck then let it turn EVE into this - this is when I and a lot of people stop paying subscriptions. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu |
Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:18:00 -
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How can it be a failure when it doesnt affect you when you doing join?
btw, OP is against grammar?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:18:00 -
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Actually, I think that given reason was - as quoted by CCP Greyscale - "Because we don't like Kassidus, and he is dumb and stupid so there!!!!111" ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Kassidus
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Actually, I think that given reason was - as quoted by CCP Greyscale - "Because we don't like Kassidus, and he is dumb and stupid so there!!!!111"
Ah well then, that is perfectly understandable.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:21:00 -
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The point is - this thread is yet another "THE SKY IS FALLING" thread. Looking at the dev blog, much thought and consideration has gone into the decision. Sure, we can complain, but its more helpful, if before we complain we actually get up to speed on what CCP discussed and why they decided one way over the other.
Apparently it doesn't seem to matter to the OP that there were good reasons for going this route. Instead, lets all throw our hands in the air, and talk loudly about how EVE is going down the drain.
Personally, the Chicken Little approach just doesn't seem that insightful.
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Kassidus
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One This thread shows exactly what sucks about everyone having an opinion.
To the OP, did you read the Dev blog on the issue, or are you simply sharing your rather ill-informed option with us?
If you've read the Dev Blog have you actually considered what CCP Greyscale wrote, because your initial post is somewhat lacking any meaningful comments on why CCP went this route.
If you've actually considered what CCP Greyscale wrote, could you kindly share some of your illuminated reasons for rejecting CCP's reasons and share some of your posed solutions?
If not, kindly keep your cynical opinion to yourself. Any one with a heartbeat can complain, but it takes a real brainwave to to contribute insightfully to a dialog.
Unless you've considered the reasons behind the decision (and you apparently haven't b/c you seem to exhibit no awareness of why CCP is going this route what-so-ever) you should remain silent, else show the community that yet another mindless pilot is capable of speaking before thinking (we have too many of those types already!)
Shut up fanboy, yes I read it and you want my honest opinion "its dumb, i dont care about there reasons, I want to participate" that is all, dont like my opinion to freekin bad.
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:22:00 -
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say it isn't so.........?
:D your stuff can i has?
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus Shut up fanboy, yes I read it and you want my honest opinion "its dumb, i dont care about there reasons, I want to participate" that is all, dont like my opinion to freekin bad.
You say its dumb .. but use your words ... ... why is it dumb? What is it about the reasons you disagree with ..
Using logic, and reason, is much more effective at convincing others that your opinion has substance, than ad hominem attacks which are well known fallacies.
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Cailais
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Well you could of course conduct piracy in the disputed regions and particpate in that way. Or war dec a corp that is part of FW, and participate in that way. Couldnt you?
So what you're really moaning about is you can't gain militia ranks (which have no in game effect), or complete militia missions (which are really not very remarkable).
Yes youre are indeed missing out massively.
C.
VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare! |
Kan3r Blaze
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One ...lots of stuff...
This man speaks sense.
I know it can be annoying and tiresome to do research before posting, but it really will help give context around why somethings are like they are in the first release of FW.
This is not something that they necessarily wanted to do, but part of the reason they can't is due to the mechanics of how they originally designed the alliance's to work.
Here you go, I've even linked the Dev Blog for you...
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Kassidus
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One The point is - this thread is yet another "THE SKY IS FALLING" thread. Looking at the dev blog, much thought and consideration has gone into the decision. Sure, we can complain, but its more helpful, if before we complain we actually get up to speed on what CCP discussed and why they decided one way over the other.
Apparently it doesn't seem to matter to the OP that there were good reasons for going this route. Instead, lets all throw our hands in the air, and talk loudly about how EVE is going down the drain.
Personally, the Chicken Little approach just doesn't seem that insightful.
You realize your trying to rationalize with someone who is upset, ON THE INTERNET!, THE INTERNET!!. Comonsence will always fail here because I am angry, tired I just woke up and im leaving for work, so it means I need something to ***** about, so go away and let me rant.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus I want to take part in FW so what if im in an alliance Idont want to leave my corp ive been there like 2 and a half years, and Im sorry but I cant afford an Alt just to go do this besides what would be the point anything i gained would be wasted on an alt.
An yes I read CCP's lame excuses for not allowing people in alliances to participate and im sorry that is redonculous! why does it have to do anything with corps or alliances its a militia! why cant I cant i do a little freelancing on the side , make it liek missions talk to an agent join up for an hour or 2 or 3 whatever for some fun, then when your done go back to what it was you were doing untill next time.
This seems really poorly thought out.
"ooo we want people to get out of starter corps"..."I know lets adda massive game altering feature that will force people into starter corps" ..."Yeah FTW"!!
Seriously I was so excited by this next patch but there may aswell not even be one for all the good it will do me.
it's certainly unfortunate that you will be forced to participate in FW by joining a militia
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus You realize your trying to rationalize with someone who is upset, ON THE INTERNET!, THE INTERNET!!. Comonsence will always fail here because I am angry, tired I just woke up and im leaving for work, so it means I need something to ***** about, so go away and let me rant.
Good point, and good argument.
Consider it done.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
You realize your trying to rationalize with someone who is upset, ON THE INTERNET!, THE INTERNET!!. Comonsence will always fail here because I am angry, tired I just woke up and im leaving for work, so it means I need something to ***** about, so go away and let me rant.
That's pretty much all whine threads (and complainy people in RL as well) in a nutshell, but in all my years you're the first person I've seen to actually figure that out while engaged in the act. As far as I'm concerned you win the internet today.
I'll throw in a second internet if you'll go explain that to the RP community. ___________________________________________
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus why cant I cant i do a little freelancing on the side , make it liek missions talk to an agent join up for an hour or 2 or 3 whatever for some fun, then when your done go back to what it was you were doing untill next time.
You can do this right now, without FW. Without leaving your alliance or corp you can go do level 4 or level 5 missions for a bit and then go back to what you were doing before. You and your alliance mates want some pew pew? Wardec someone and have a fun time. FW does not offer anything you can't get in EvE right now. -------------------
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus its dumb, i dont care about there reasons
How can you compete with a complete and fully articulated argument like that?
Obviously changes are in order.
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Bimjo
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer How can it be a failure when it doesnt affect you when you doing join? btw, OP is against grammar?
What is "doing join"? "doesnt" "OP is against grammar?" is not a question
Just because you can spell Grammar doesn't mean you understand it
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:08:00 -
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So boring 0.0 corps don't get their hand held and get all the fun so it must suck....
Corps suck.
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sharkyballs
Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:22:00 -
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i think some of you have missed the ops point.
it's the fact that some of us would like to participate in FW but we're not willing to leave our current corp to do it. also we're not willing to pay for a second account just to do FW.
it pretty much ends up being a completely useless patch to us at that point. it's something for new players and hardcore rp'ers, as if they don't have enough to do already. but where's my content as an older player that's been here for some time making friends i don't want to abandon? it is kinda aggrevating.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer How can it be a failure when it doesnt affect you when you doing join?
btw, OP is against grammar?
Quoted for irony.
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DubanFP
Four Rings Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:24:00 -
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Say it aint soooo _______________
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Ai Natsuo
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: sharkyballs i think some of you have missed the ops point.
it's the fact that some of us would like to participate in FW but we're not willing to leave our current corp to do it. also we're not willing to pay for a second account just to do FW.
it pretty much ends up being a completely useless patch to us at that point. it's something for new players and hardcore rp'ers, as if they don't have enough to do already. but where's my content as an older player that's been here for some time making friends i don't want to abandon? it is kinda aggrevating.
True but every patch can't be about 0.0 warfare and large corp/alliance goodness. This is from a marketing and growth standpoint a great move and that is more important then you staying in O.O or moving out. Its up to you no one is forcing you to move or stay but either way it isn't going to hurt you.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ai Natsuo
Originally by: sharkyballs i think some of you have missed the ops point.
it's the fact that some of us would like to participate in FW but we're not willing to leave our current corp to do it. also we're not willing to pay for a second account just to do FW.
it pretty much ends up being a completely useless patch to us at that point. it's something for new players and hardcore rp'ers, as if they don't have enough to do already. but where's my content as an older player that's been here for some time making friends i don't want to abandon? it is kinda aggrevating.
True but every patch can't be about 0.0 warfare and large corp/alliance goodness. This is from a marketing and growth standpoint a great move and that is more important then you staying in O.O or moving out. Its up to you no one is forcing you to move or stay but either way it isn't going to hurt you.
To do something like the Empires going to war justice, the system needs to include... everyone.
Simply put, this isn't the faction warfare we were promised.
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DrefsabZN
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:54:00 -
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Personally I was glad when I saw this. It stop's the big alliances coming in and ROFLSTOMP'ing everyone in FW. EVE is a sandbox this is true, and sad but true fact is zerg high number corps/alliance are a power.
But those corps who don't want just be another faceless number in the crowd and do their thing can actually take part in this.
Alliances get to go claim sovereigncy, put up outpost, play with titans and all the other things smaller corp's can't do (at least not easily). So FW isn't aimed at these people, your not excluded from them, but if you want to join you will have to do it on your own or as a corp.
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