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FellRaven
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:25:00 -
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There has been all this hot are floating around about Bacon and other similar Applications which augment local.
So why aren't we all up in arms about Micro Miner Bots. I'm sure it is not beyond the abilities of CCP to acquire these programs, analyse them and implement appropriate counter measures.
I'd real like a fix where they are flagged as Macro-miners and everyone can shoot them freely to add the the games enjoyment for the rest.
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:49:00 -
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problem is, these macros don't require any communication to the server. they are client-side scripts. CCP can analyze them all they want and it wont allow them to detect someone using one.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:54:00 -
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Can someone explain what the problem is that you're trying to solve?
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FellRaven
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: FellRaven on 05/06/2008 12:27:13 Edited by: FellRaven on 05/06/2008 12:25:56
Originally by: Sir Substance problem is, these macros don't require any communication to the server. they are client-side scripts. CCP can analyze them all they want and it wont allow them to detect someone using one.
Well the "flagging them part" was a nice to have joke. But it might be possible to analyse how these Macro's work and prevent them doing so. Never having used one I don't know what they do and can not therefore really suggest solutions but I'm guessing 0.0 ones detect hostiles and take appropriate actions. They will need to target new asteriods presumeable they use the overview to do this. Now if it's possible to prevent applications exploiting the information in local I would assume the same is true of overview. Yes I know they can sort Overview select in squence, use scanner do the same, point is it must surely be worth investing time and effort into dealing with this problem.
Mara Rinn - There are people who use Macro's to running mining ships on EVE. These people are also often the ISK sellers. It is a breach of the EULA but also to the detriment of all other players as it impacts the ores/mineral markets, flooding the game with ISK effectively leading to devaluation. EVE is market based so this sort of activity is very damaging.
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Yuki Santara
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:40:00 -
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No, you can only make it harder (to the point of being impossible, if it requires too much "intelligence" for a bot). Bacon does not hack into the client, but simply analyses information that is stored in plain text as a log. A macro is far more involved than this (and not allowed).
This issue is very similar to the issue of aimbots in first person shooters, because you can only make it harder, but you can't make it impossible for a bot to analyse the information (even if it's just graphical) that is presented to the player and then act upon it like a player would by sending input. The more predictable the required actions are, the easier it is to create bots or macros.
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hamster humpster
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:57:00 -
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personally i love macro bots
23/7 miner = more ores more ores = cheaper ores cheaper ores = cheaper stuff for me
if macro bots are ruining your income, try mission running, it's basically mining (lock on to something, press f1-f8, get money)
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: hamster humpster personally i love macro bots
23/7 miner = more ores more ores = cheaper ores cheaper ores = cheaper stuff for me
if macro bots are ruining your income, try mission running, it's basically mining (lock on to something, press f1-f8, get money)
So you are openly saying that people should brake the EULA so that you can get cheap stuff?
Originally by: EULA 7.A.3 You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
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FellRaven
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: hamster humpster personally i love macro bots
23/7 miner = more ores more ores = cheaper ores cheaper ores = cheaper stuff for me
if macro bots are ruining your income, try mission running, it's basically mining (lock on to something, press f1-f8, get money)
Your lack of appreciation of market economics is only exceeded by your ignorance of the EULA.
More Ore = Less Income for Real Miners More Ore = Keeper Build Cost for Module = Less income for Mission Runners More Ore = More ISK being traded for Cash = Bad
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