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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:50:00 -
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OP: Did you ever consider that the reason for the current game mechanics is to protect the mission runner and not the "thief"?
I am all in favor for criminally flagging people who salvages other peoples wrecks just to keep it more in line with mining mechanics. Also because I look forward to all the threads from Raven pilots that have been baited into aggression and have had their precious mission ship ganked. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Vagablonde
Ouruboros Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:51:00 -
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if they warp in on your doing a mission just warp out, come back and they will have been turned to dust by mass agro ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on. |
Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:51:00 -
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i have never seen a salvage thief. ever. i mission run for 90% of income.
CCP specifically made a tool to fight against them: marauders
it's fine, stop whining.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun Wow.
Having read the replies to the OP, it amazes me that so very few of you have anything constructive to say. This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting. So, of course, the mature, useful, and rational thing to do is fall over each other trying to come up with the snappiest, quickest, least useful comeback you can think of, and hit that 'Post Reply' button.
Just an observation, but these forums have grown to become really unbelievable.
The forums can be extremely trollish, that's nothing new. But I think the OP has a bit of a, uh, haha, history here. It's karma. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Originally by: Sokratesz I'm sorry, you mean highsec isn't made of absolute safety anymore? Gee wiz, time for a whine!
You mean highsec hasn't anythink to do with safety as most 0.0 is saver then some 1.0 systems?
In conclusion this would mean the hole secure-rating-system is absolut wrong and/or bugged and/or abused?
Well, you are right :)
0.0 is only safe if you use manpower and ships to patrol the borders and keep others out in addition to learning how to protect yourself through such things as scouts, intel, safespots, cloaks etc.
The tools are there if you want to stay safe, but i guess whining and asking for handholding mechanics is easier.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:58:00 -
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Ok... Am I not expressing myself proberly?... I am NOT against missionrunners being scanned out I am NOT against ninja-salvagers being able to salvage the wreck of a ship I JUST KILLED Szenario: If a pirate ship in the middle ages just conquered/killed/whatever a ship and a different pirate ship came along and started salvaging that ship - Pirat Ship A would say ok Go ahead slavage belongs to everyone we will not attack ??????????? Where is the ******* logic behind that?????
If someone starts salvaging the wreck of a ship I KILLEDand I CANT RETALIATE it is lame and has NOTHING TO DO WITH PVP FFS Period
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/06/2008 15:02:05
Originally by: Belmarduk Szenario: If a pirate ship in the middle ages just conquered/killed/whatever a ship and a different pirate ship came along and started salvaging that ship - Pirat Ship A would say ok Go ahead slavage belongs to everyone we will not attack ??????????? Where is the ******* logic behind that?????
The logic is that the navy would say: "Salvage belongs to anyone - we don't care who gets it. If you start killing eachother, however, it is our business, and we'll trebuchet your ass from here to Palestine."
True story.
Quote: If someone starts salvaging the wreck of a ship I KILLEDand I CANT RETALIATE it is lame and has NOTHING TO DO WITH PVP FFS
Yes it has. You race against another player to be first to salvage the ship – ergo, PvP.
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat On one side, is the thief salvagers, who feel that it's unbalanced, unfair, and too risk-free ...
... to run missions in high sec.
Fixed!
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:03:00 -
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*******s hehe
My opinion stands - Atm a salvager can hide behind concord and game mechanics.
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk *******s hehe
My opinion stands - Atm a salvager can hide behind concord and game mechanics.
So can npc-corp mission runners, and in hi sec short of suicide ganking there's nothing that can kill them. Just like with thief-salvagers.
Now how about some cheese?
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk Ok... Am I not expressing myself proberly?... I am NOT against missionrunners being scanned out I am NOT against ninja-salvagers being able to salvage the wreck of a ship I JUST KILLED Szenario: If a pirate ship in the middle ages just conquered/killed/whatever a ship and a different pirate ship came along and started salvaging that ship - Pirat Ship A would say ok Go ahead slavage belongs to everyone we will not attack ??????????? Where is the ******* logic behind that?????
If someone starts salvaging the wreck of a ship I KILLEDand I CANT RETALIATE it is lame and has NOTHING TO DO WITH PVP FFS Period
Fit 1 tractor and 1 salvage and salvage as you kill. You hi sec mission runners have it too easy already. Stop whining!
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xparky
Originally by: Belmarduk *******s hehe
My opinion stands - Atm a salvager can hide behind concord and game mechanics.
So can npc-corp mission runners, and in hi sec short of suicide ganking there's nothing that can kill them. Just like with thief-salvagers.
Now how about some cheese?
You are absolutley right and I agree with you but thats something completly different. Hmm some chedar please - I cant get that here :( CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Rhatar Khurin
The PeacekeeperZ Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:13:00 -
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I've never even seen an salvage thief, but i wish one would follow me about i can't be bothered to do it myself often at least i would know that it's not going to waste. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xparky
Fit 1 tractor and 1 salvage and salvage as you kill. You hi sec mission runners have it too easy already. Stop whining!
Hehe thats not the point - Its a thing of principle I count myself neither as carebear nor as hardcore-pvpler - I am in between probalby ;) Yes I sometimes also do missions in highsec but thats obsolete. Point is people can hide behind concord while stealing from other players. No whine just fact. Hugs and Kisses CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk
Originally by: Xparky
Originally by: Belmarduk *******s hehe
My opinion stands - Atm a salvager can hide behind concord and game mechanics.
So can npc-corp mission runners, and in hi sec short of suicide ganking there's nothing that can kill them. Just like with thief-salvagers.
Now how about some cheese?
You are absolutley right and I agree with you but thats something completly different. Hmm some chedar please - I cant get that here :(
How is it different ?
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Ovar Doce
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:18:00 -
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If you catch me in your mission space I will leave for a fee of 10 million isk. This is by no means a Corpate sanctioned option, but this option stands for me.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 06/06/2008 15:19:23
Originally by: Belmarduk
Point is people can hide behind concord while stealing from other players. No whine just fact.
How can one steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Xparky on 06/06/2008 15:21:39
Originally by: Belmarduk
Point is people can hide behind concord while stealing from other players. No whine just fact. Hugs and Kisses
According to the eve laws (made by game creators, CCP), it is not stealing.
If you shoot and kill a ship you are entitled only to the loot inside it. The wreck is free-for-all.
Salvaging wouldn't be much of a "profession" in itself if you had to "own" the wrecks. It would've been just an income buff to mission runners and ratters, which was not the point.
Just facts
It is not stealing unless they take the loot. Stop thinking you are entitled to something you are not. Fit a tractor and salvager and salvage as you go or move out of that damn hub.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:22:00 -
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I killed the npc ;) Only want to be able to retaliate against the salvager - This is Eve isnt it - a pvp-orientated mmorpg ?? CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xparky It is not stealing unless they take the loot. Stop thinking you are entitled to something you are not. [/quote
Where is the bloody difference? That way the salvager is entitled BECAUSE I cant retaliate - Brilliant logic... CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk I killed the npc ;) Only want to be able to retaliate against the salvager - This is Eve isnt it - a pvp-orientated mmorpg ??
So you want salvaging to be just another buff to ratters/ mission runners.
Well sorry to break the bad news to you, but the salvaging proffession wasn't designed for that purpose.
Thank you, have a nice day.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 06/06/2008 15:26:50
Originally by: Belmarduk Only want to be able to retaliate against the salvager - This is Eve isnt it - a pvp-orientated mmorpg ??
I'll support the ability for missionrunners to retaliate on salvagers once missionagents becomes a rivalrous and excludable resource with vastly increased risks OR vastly reduced rewards.
Like most other professions in Eve.
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:30:00 -
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Ok, let's say you can shoot the ninja salvager.
1. You will need a warp scrambler on your missioning ship to prevent them from leaving. 2. Ninja salvagers will fit WCS. 3. After you shoot at them they can shoot back, so they will change ships and return to wtfpwn you, disrupting your missioning even more than ninja salvaging.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk ...a salvager can hide behind concord and game mechanics.
That's the price you pay for being in hisec. Everyone there is "hiding" behind game mechanics. Or did you think Concord was only meant to protect -you- and the activities that -you- approve of?
If you'd like to be free of Concord interference, if you'd like the freedom to declare anything you like as your property and shoot anybody who disagrees to smithereens, you know where to go. Good luck. :) * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/06/2008 15:43:54
Originally by: Belmarduk Fact is that people can salvage without risk and thats (AND ONLY THAT IS WHAT IS BOTHERING ME) not right imho - Not in a sandbox game like Eve is...
They face the exact same risks as a mission runner, and without any of the guaranteed rewards the mission runner has.
You're basically saying that missions, as a whole, should be removed from the game.
edit: Damn you, Xparky!
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Forum Fanatic
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:45:00 -
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Eve is only what people make it. Sadly it has become a magnet for the scummiest community of any MMO I have ever played.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 06/06/2008 15:43:54
Originally by: Belmarduk Fact is that people can salvage without risk and thats (AND ONLY THAT IS WHAT IS BOTHERING ME) not right imho - Not in a sandbox game like Eve is...
They face the exact same risks as a mission runner, and without any of the guaranteed rewards the mission runner has.
You're basically saying that missions, as a whole, should be removed from the game.
edit: Damn you, Xparky!
omg you 2 should be laywers ;) I give up I will believe you that apples are blue if you tell me.. ;) CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Daelin Felagund
Radikus Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk Edited by: Belmarduk on 06/06/2008 15:39:36 Some people here are obviously either stupid or thick or trying to be annoying on purpose - whatever I give up - this is a dead end Fact is that people can salvage without risk and thats (AND ONLY THAT IS WHAT IS BOTHERING ME) not right imho - Not in a sandbox game like Eve is... Have a good day
And at first, it bothered me, too. I solved it by simply leaving the area it was happening (Motsu - and I was done building Caldari rep at the time, anyway).
It is a solution, to find happier grounds away from these people ... because frankly, those others who've said it are right - CCP isn't going to change the rules for salvage. Even to allow a red flagging ... which might be cool, some cases, but hey.
Frankly, I think it's an opportunity to be bold and engage in a little non-consensual yarring. After all, most of these salvagers are looking to snatch and run and keep their precious hides intact. If you meet their minimal-cost ninja-salvage frigate with an equally minimal-cost, plat-insured suicide gank frigate or destroyer run by an alt (or a friend willing to do it), you too can:
a) scratch that ninja hatred itch via direct application of violence b) get in on the thrill that is non-consensual pvp c) potentially have the satisfaction of watching the ninja's ship go pop, even while your frigate is Concordonked d) potentially salvage the wreck of the ninja salvager, in an oh so sweet turnabout e) not pay anything, thanks to insurance
To the guy I saw complaining regarding mining issues ... there's a FAR worse problem than thieves that the mining set need to deal with - macro-miners farming isk for RMT. This is a real problem especially in hi-sec ice fields, that CCP claims is important to them and illegal for their game, but which they refuse to deal with in any meaningful way. But that's another topic altogether, for another time and thread. Mongo, the Merciless Carebear and Frito Muncher Extraordinaire |
Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk
I will believe you that apples are blue if you tell me.. ;)
They are.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:03:00 -
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I have had people ask me if they can come in behind and salvage up the dead carcasses I leave behind. Of course as long as they don't come in while I am there, I am just paranoid like that.
I don't salvage on missions (missions being my main income source)because it takes too long and I am basically lazy. So if some enterprising cov-ops pilot wants to sneak in after I lay waste to a room he is welcome to the junk.
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