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Stefx
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:47:00 -
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EA patch notes
Quote: Joining a Fleet with a player who is currently involved in a war will no longer make you a valid target in that war. CONCORD will now respond if a player who is not involved in a war is aggressed within a gang in High Security space.
Does that mean Lofty's scam in high sec won't work anymore? ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:51:00 -
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Sounds like it, though I wonder -why- the devs are doing this, unless up until now they couldnt figure out how to stop people in a gang with someone at war from being targeted. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/06/2008 21:55:57
Originally by: Jacob Mei Sounds like it, though I wonder -why- the devs are doing this, unless up until now they couldnt figure out how to stop people in a gang with someone at war from being targeted.
They are doing it because of problems with factional warfare standings issue if enemy faction players gang up as well as the whole gang wardec transfer was silly to beguin with. You join a gang and you become a victim to wardec but if you try to shoot a wardec target first you get concorded. So all genuine benifits of it was obsolete.
So insted of it being used properly, all it became was a tool for people to use in scams. --
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:56:00 -
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Dude, it's not likely that they couldn't figure out *how* to fix it. More a matter of finally getting tired of the petitions is my bet. ;-)
Sr GM: Hey Mr Dev man, can you *PLEASE* fix this for me? My Inbox overfloweth. Dev Man: Nah, talk to game balancing. Sr GM: Hey Game Balancing Mgr... can you *PLEASE* fix this for me? My Inbox overfloweth. Game Balancing Mgr: It's an intended game feature... hell, even I use it on my main. Sr GM: I've got a hot sister and some cold beer... Game Balancing Mgr: Done. I'll put in the ticket.
Meanwhile in the patch notes...
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei I wonder -why- the devs are doing this
Most likely so that people can join a gang without fearing a random gank.
The reason that gang mechanics were originally tied to war dec was so that people could not use neutral alts to provide gang bonuses and warp to locations.
Obviously, they have decided that the above reason is not sufficient to continue to effectively bar ganging with anyone that is not fully trusted.
Now it will be possible to gang with semi-trusted characters for whatever reason might come up.
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Fink Angel
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.06.06 22:00:00 -
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Surely the whole point of factional warfare is so people can have quick ad-hoc groups fighting each other. Therefore it's only going to work well if you can get on with it with just limited trust of the people in your gang.
Without this change, it will still be warfare based on full trust, ie corps, and we've already got that.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.06 22:19:00 -
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Another point is that it will no longer be outright suicide to try and help an unknown newbie.
(still might be some scam danger involved, but at least not outright suicide)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 06/06/2008 23:14:46
Originally by: Sergeant Spot Another point is that it will no longer be outright suicide to try and help an unknown newbie.
(still might be some scam danger involved, but at least not outright suicide)
This. I might actually help random newbies now if I'm in the mood and bored enough - if they're genuine rookies all the risk is on their end and if they're not there's really nothing they can do other than waste a little bit of my time.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:21:00 -
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Wow! This many responses and so far nobody's come in to warn us about "creeping carebearism," read us a passage from The Protocols Of The Carebears Of Motsu, post a link to Hello Kitty Online or say nasty things about CCP.
It's quiet. Too quiet. Nosir, I don't like it. ___________________________________________
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose Wow! This many responses and so far nobody's come in to warn us about "creeping carebearism," read us a passage from The Protocols Of The Carebears Of Motsu, post a link to Hello Kitty Online or say nasty things about CCP.
It's quiet. Too quiet. Nosir, I don't like it.
I think part of that is that CCP has waited until even Lofty was bored of the lofty scam.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose Wow! This many responses and so far nobody's come in to warn us about "creeping carebearism," read us a passage from The Protocols Of The Carebears Of Motsu, post a link to Hello Kitty Online or say nasty things about CCP.
It's quiet. Too quiet. Nosir, I don't like it.
This made me LOL!!
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:33:00 -
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Jesus christ, finally. I've had enough of all these copycats ruining it.
I stopped months ago, hopefully the ******s of eve who began to milk this for all its worth will quit now. 族---族
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
Originally by: Quelque Chose Wow! This many responses and so far nobody's come in to warn us about "creeping carebearism," read us a passage from The Protocols Of The Carebears Of Motsu, post a link to Hello Kitty Online or say nasty things about CCP.
It's quiet. Too quiet. Nosir, I don't like it.
I think part of that is that CCP has waited until even Lofty was bored of the lofty scam.
Ye they wait too long with fixing exploitive game mechanics. Same with cost-free suicideganking, they are still waiting while hundreds or thousands of people are quitting the game because of this exploit of insurance system (it's not real pvp when one side pays almost nothing [wow-pvp] but inflicts enormous loss to the victim). The game is going down because of this, look at the altime-chart here. The growth of one year has already been nullified, if this continues i guess someone in the balancing department who is responsible for this will get fired, but it's already too late, the damage is done. Let's see how far the curve has to go down before they fix it.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:05:00 -
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That's pretty sad IMO, why the hell is CCP putting on kid gloves when it comes to EVE? Lofty scam was pretty good at weeding out people who failed at the game mechanic, it created the flow of items and ISK.
Very sad day indeed.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ye they wait too long with fixing exploitive game mechanics. Same with cost-free suicideganking, they are still waiting while hundreds or thousands of people are quitting the game because of this exploit of insurance system (it's not real pvp when one side pays almost nothing [wow-pvp] but inflicts enormous loss to the victim). The game is going down because of this, look at the altime-chart here. The growth of one year has already been nullified, if this continues i guess someone in the balancing department who is responsible for this will get fired, but it's already too late, the damage is done. Let's see how far the curve has to go down before they fix it.
Please cite your source which clearly proves that the small declining population is atttributed to suicide ganking. I could say that the decline is due to the fact that CCP removed npcs selling shuttles, but that would be a ridiculous statement without proof.
Originally by: CCP Casqade Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Leora Nomen on 07/06/2008 00:41:06 The problem with this scam is that no way could you easily find out about it unless you specifically searched forums on ganging and wars. When you invite warring alts after you gang your target he or she doesn't get any warning message about it. So it isn't like jumping into low sec or accepting freeform contracts where you get explicit messages warning you about dangers. And I bet a lot of people posting in favor of this scam would not be able to think it through when they were newbies and would fall for it themselves and consider it unfair.
The overall benefit of this, that people can now gang up without a worry, overrides whatever benefit the scammers had from this scam. As far as selection processes go in EVE, this one was pretty screwed up to begin with and I'm glad they are getting rid of it.
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Zhang Ramses
Chaos From Order
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:54:00 -
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So the warp-in pilot for our fleet can't be attacked by our wartargets as long as he's in a newbie corp?
Interesting.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.07 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zhang Ramses
So the warp-in pilot for our fleet can't be attacked by our wartargets as long as he's in a newbie corp?
Interesting.
Yes, this is totally going to be exploitable by people who weren't clever enough to use a covops for that. ___________________________________________
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.07 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Zhang Ramses
So the warp-in pilot for our fleet can't be attacked by our wartargets as long as he's in a newbie corp? Interesting.
Yes, this is totally going to be exploitable by people who weren't clever enough to use a covops for that.
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Anti Excedrin
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Posted - 2008.06.07 01:31:00 -
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Forget about the joining fleet loop-hole being closed or the end of Bacon
Originally by: CCP Pods have had their shield and armor resistances modified to be in line with other ships.
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Gewurtztraminer
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:03:00 -
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You'll probably still be able to pull off a 'modified lofty' by asking the invited member if he wouldn't mind fitting some remote reps to help with your tank.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Jesus christ, finally. I've had enough of all these copycats ruining it.
I stopped months ago, hopefully the ******s of eve who began to milk this for all its worth will quit now.
a guy in Umokka convo'd me and asked me to help him with a mission. I was only a T2-fit Nighthawk, so I didn't figure it would be worth it. Still, because I had seen your amazing movie I was prepared! I told him that I would make the gang, and when he asked me to invite his 'hauler alt' I checked the wardecs (you know, like you do) and oh looky, 1 person corp who just happens to be in local!
lofty's infinate wisdom saved me ...
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AmTek
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.07 03:22:00 -
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I predict the new 'suicide lofty'. Thinking it is safer now to join random gangs, missioners with nice juicy faction mods fitted will be more likely to join, only difference now is that the sting at the end is a suicide gank, rather than the freebie that happens in the original.
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Wieting Foyu
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.06.07 03:34:00 -
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Great.. now the reverse scam won't work where you join a fleet and midwarp leave, and when the greedy bastard attacks he gets concorded.
Like the previous poster said.. now it will just be suiciders like those waiting at gates to pop a freighter or an officer fitted raven. They just ask for the help of a nice L4 afk missioner and boom... new gist mods
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Nicholas DW
Biometronics Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.07 06:30:00 -
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Worst patch ever?
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.06.07 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 07/06/2008 10:00:01 /me puts on a furry suit and gets used to "bears-online"
/me gets out the cyrstal ball and predicts a suicide gank change
/me watches with dismay as the sand box get smaller and smaller each year rather than bigger and wonders how long until he just falls out of it - gets up and patiently waits for Infinity?
/me mumbles stupid cpp, turning eve into a toothless old wolf...
etc etc....
Bloody shame, whats next? nerf teh war dec system?? o wait... I know whats next.. pvp flagged zones and consensual only pvp... urmm.. wait .. that was in the patch notes.
(joining FW is PVP ON BUTAN> head for PVP ZONE>) (its used to be undocking=PVP, then joining a player corp opened you up for for fighting> then war dec'd corp hopping became legal, NPC corp hoppers are still immune without a hefty suicide gank squad, which the whiners are lobbying for change>which means CCP already buckled but as are always slow to impliment their changes> CCP buckle like a belt. This is just another tooth extraction imo, another way to make Hi-Sec safer for people who dont want risk.)
Hey - its not my game, but I sure as hell wont be about after they finish pulling EvEs teeth out, shoot it in the face and then dress it up in a pink bunny suit and glue a rubber knife to its hand.
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CetusOfAsuran
GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY
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Posted - 2008.06.07 11:36:00 -
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lets face it 90% of this is going to be in the new lowsec region (black rise), so what is the point in the lofty where you can attack freely anyway?
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas DW Worst patch ever?
How?
Personally, they should have fixed the gang wardec transfer so people in a gang can fire first and both sides see each other as wartargets in local. This would allow mercs to roam about, picking up contracts on the fly from people "A-Team" style.
The old system was only ever used for scams since trying to use it properly got you concorded. But with FW standings, a caldari who accidently gets into a gallente gang could turn everyone in gang into FFA target.
So a Greifer who gets sc position could invite a FW "spy" on purpose so he can gank his own side fairly safely. Thats the reason it got removed. It became too easy to just kill your own side. --
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.06.07 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 07/06/2008 12:11:34 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 07/06/2008 12:05:31
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ye they wait too long with fixing exploitive game mechanics. Same with cost-free suicideganking, they are still waiting while hundreds or thousands of people are quitting the game because of this exploit of insurance system (it's not real pvp when one side pays almost nothing [wow-pvp] but inflicts enormous loss to the victim). The game is going down because of this, look at the altime-chart here.
Haha. Hundreds or thousands of people are quitting becaused of this are they? Please share your source to provide proof that this is true and not down to the power of two offers, removal of 30 day GTCs, AoC or the fact that it is Summer.
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
The growth of one year has already been nullified, if this continues i guess someone in the balancing department who is responsible for this will get fired, but it's already too late, the damage is done. Let's see how far the curve has to go down before they fix it.
Oh no, CCP employees beware. Yakia Tovitoba says you may lose your jobs.
Funny how people like you always play the same card when they get their Hulk ganked or their freighter suicided.The standard 'Eve is dying' hysteria from Yakia Tovitalba.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Haha. Hundreds or thousands of people are quitting becaused of this are they? Please share your source to provide proof that this is true and not down to the power of two offers, removal of 30 day GTCs, AoC or the fact that it is Summer.
If you shoot someone with a .45 colt in the head he will die. Do you need to make a survey or test it yourself first, to know that ? No. Because you know what effect certain actions have. Some people (not everyone is as paranoid as he should be, some still enjoy eve as a game) quit if they lose everything they worked for for monthas. They are not aware of the dangers, they prefer the pve aspect of the game and chose not to go to lowsec/0.0 and stay in highsec, which is meant to be safe.
Even the devs continue to say that highsec is safe:
Originally by: Ten Ton Hammer Interview with a Dev Matt Woodward: Basically, we've got the empire stuff - you're safe in high sec, you're mining, you're running missions. Everything's fine and dandy and no one's shooting at you. Then you've got null sec combat where it's just like - bam! bam! bam! politics, explosions, crazy stuff.
So their pve-game in highsec is completely ruined all of a sudden, and then they have to realize that this has been done in a complete unbalanced way, the gankers had almost no cost thanks to insurance. This makes people quit.
As to the other things you mentioned: we had quite a lot of summers so far, none of them had such a effect on the user current online alltime graph, if you watch it closely. Removal of 30day gtc has no major effect, it's no diffrence if you pay 15$ for 30d or 30$ for 60d, the game costs the same, so this can't have the effect we see. And AoC turned out to be a flop. Moreover the negative effect lasts for months, it started at the beginning of the year, when suicideganking became popular (ship prices reached a level where suicideganking got more and more popular, lots of pirates jumped on the train + we had that goonswarm anti-exhumer campaign), while AoC is out for 2-3 weeks, so it can't be the reason.
I don't provide hysteria or wild speculation but solid observation, it's obvious for everyone with open eyes. I don't want to see eve go down, it's my favourite mmo, but as a player i can't do more than share my observations - it's not the first game where devs screw a little detail and the whole game got ruined by this, although the rest of the game was great.
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