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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
Which bit in particular? At a glance, theres Wikipedia pages on the upcoming Lisbon Treaty and on potential superpowers in general. ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
Korou in French guinea - the European Space Agency's equatorial spaceport. ***************************** Love is like a war - easy to start, hard to continue, impossible to forget. |
Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:54:00 -
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Last three attempts failed, let's see what's going to happen this time
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:21:00 -
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TL;DR. I think the above poster has the best summary of anything that article may contain though.
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Arvald
The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
meh no civilization/empire can last forever it was bound to happen
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Magnus Nordir tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
meh no civilization/empire can last forever it was bound to happen
No not yet, if we dont get a good president/congress in the next 50-100 years then yes, but we're not quite there yet.
America is still quite powerful, so the ride down will take a long time.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
its in ur blood.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:57:00 -
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The new union will start at the us west coast and it'll find its end in east russia. then we go south.
TRUE!
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Sosus Red
Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:00:00 -
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I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Except after a bunch of farmers kicked your ass out of their country
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Because God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark. __________________________
Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: das licht The new union will start at the us west coast and it'll find its end in east russia. then we go south.
TRUE!
Inclusive Australia and the New Sealand of course.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:47:00 -
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As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
Wouldn't it be very cool as a american to spend your holidays in Aussie and not wasting a thpught about currancie because it's the same?
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
I have been a proponent of he Atlantic Commonwealth idea for quite a while, problem is that all participants cant be looking at how the others joined them to make it.....
All in the psycology, but say a union between the EU and he USA, likely one of them will look at is as one annexing the other by consent as opposed to a successor state for both. The USA is on the decline, but I expect the states themselves to outlive the USA.
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Drezzster
The Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:12:00 -
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HA the writer of that article is a fool. Reminds me of American Dad.
He seems to think that what is good for America is good for the world.
Sure hard power might be more effective for getting what you want, just like taking lunch money off a nerd is more effective than doing paper rounds for a bulley.
*Disclamer* I am not "anti-american" I just don't like the article. I don't think the U.S is evil for throwing it's weight around, just like every other country it is looking after it's own interests. IMO the U.S is only different becasue they have the power to get what they want more often than everyone else.
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:32:00 -
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Sweet Gentle Jesus...it's cold in here!! Best of luck Europe! I hope it improves you though honestly..coz improvement and quality of life is always good...no matter where a person lives in the world.
Long live the King!!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:59:00 -
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/facepalm ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
corporal hicks
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
you really need to do better reserch on Ireland.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
Are you an idiot? __________________________
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amuko Well if it stops Germany from invading us every few decades I'm cool with it.
LOL
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Originally by: Magnus Nordir tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
You dont need an Emperor to make an Empire, the EU has been described by one of its Presidents as he largest voluntary empire in history.
Maybe its part of the American/European cultural divide on the definition of the word, but it means here to exert power beyond your own boundries. By that definition the USA is an Empire, what does it mean to you?
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Spineker
Originally by: Magnus Nordir tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
You dont need an Emperor to make an Empire, the EU has been described by one of its Presidents as he largest voluntary empire in history.
Maybe its part of the American/European cultural divide on the definition of the word, but it means here to exert power beyond your own boundries. By that definition the USA is an Empire, what does it mean to you?
Empire to me is the governing of weaker people through occupation and exploitation of its people and resources in the interest of its home nation. Controlling its government and in many cases governing directly and taking whatever you want from the nation. Creating a 2 class system Imperial Citizens and occupied Citizens.
I follow the more classical word Empire. I guess you could say itÆs a new-empire system we live in because we do "persuade" others to do what we want them to but we are not empire in the classical sense.
The EU is a Capitalist Empire in the purest sense. It is not through nationalism that it exist but through economics. They have taken Capitalism to a whole new level never before seen. There is talk of a North American Union of similar make up rather or not it happens is another question.
The problem in Europe that we didn't have in the US is that although we had the CSA they were still American, they were not different like Germans and French and UK to Sweden. The US Civil war was the final battle of the Revolution against European power. In 100 years perhaps all those who still hold nationalism in Europe will be dead and then a true Union can begin but nationalism is strong in Europe still today. Or they will try to force the issue of total Union and impose the will of a few over the majority which will make it no better then the USSR or other imposed political systems.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Ilvan I think Canada should join the EU.
To be honest if they applied I cant see a damned good reason to refuse , might be something Britain AND France agree on
I'm Canadian, and I'd support it.
1. It would **** the US off 2. Canada is a good go-between for Europe and the US... because we're a little of both. ---
Kaboom: The process by which large objects are broken down into many small objects.
Originally by: Alz Shado Chribba doesn't mine Veldspar -- the ore offers itself to him in tribute.
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Daedalus DuGalle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Daedalus DuGalle on 09/06/2008 02:45:38 GO AUSTRALIA!!!! (we're just biding our time...)
Submit to our rule or we'll set the Drop Bears on you.
edit: Just found this in Wikipedia under Drop bears:
Originally by: Wikipedia A further plausible explanation is that they were invented in 1975 by Australian soldiers defending the Queensland coast against US invaders during a joint military exercise. The Americans coming ashore under cover of darkness were so afraid of the creatures they had been told about earlier that they threw sticks ahead of themselves into the forest canopy and were readily located and captured by the Australians. There does not appear to be any written references to drop bears prior to this date
Lololol
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Ilvan I think Canada should join the EU.
To be honest if they applied I cant see a damned good reason to refuse , might be something Britain AND France agree on
I'm Canadian, and I'd support it.
1. It would **** the US off 2. Canada is a good go-between for Europe and the US... because we're a little of both.
Wouldnt phase me one bit, it would give us more competition which means we will go to the stars faster then we currently are and will have a large technology boost.
It might even help us on a political level.
Oh and I am from the US.
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stoats
Damage Inflicted
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: corporal hicks
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
you really need to do better reserch on Ireland.
very much agreed wit Hicks here, looking for the words to describe wot and idiot you are Bahamma but i would get banned for the only words that come to mind. Although if we are in such a bad state that we havent got a pot to pi$$ in then maybe you should take a look at your own economy and go back to your outhouse.........
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Haakon Jarl
direkte
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird. Or France or any of the other colonial powers. The US will be here for a long long time.
You got trooops stationed in countries all over the world, and now you have lost something like 3 trillion dollars over the past 5 years or so. If the US continue to **** away money in the middle east and continue to let wall street gangsters run rampant then the US will be facedown sooner than later.
I mean you are even borrowing money from China these days, the hourglass is getting empty.
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